A Serious Sin in My Past

[Guest]

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[NoJo]

I'd be far more interested to read about your past sins, not some dickhead senator's

 

[Guest]

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[NoJo]

Got an hour? What's your number?

Er, I haven't got a phone (tremble)

 

[rgraham666]

It's always been my observation that those who talk loudest about 'family values' are also the biggest hypocrites about it.

Values is something you live, not something you talk about.

 

[Guest]

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[NoJo]

You've got some fast changing AVs today, though.

(blush)

 

[cbr1000rr]

Values is something you live, not something you talk about.

Now that is a quote worth living by.

 

[angela146]

I remember a quote from Al Franken during the height of the Monica Lewinski scandal that went something like this:

"Question: What do Trent Lott [Republican leader in the Senate] Bob Dole [Republican Candidate for President] Newt Gingrich [Republican Speaker of the House] and Ronald Reagan all have in common?

Answer: They have all been divorced one fewer time than Rush Limbaugh."

Of course, the Clintons are still on their first marriage. Republicans then and now were all clucking that Hillary should have divorced him a long time ago.

If the recent bio on her is to be believed, *he* wanted out of the marriage at one point and *she* wouldn't give him the divorce.

Yeah, the whole "family values" thing seems to ring really hollow.

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[Roxanne Appleby]

I'd be far more interested to read about your past sins, not some dickhead senator's

Moi aussi, but the problem is the definition of "sin." The things that dickhead senators consider "sins" are part of what makes them dickheads in the first place. Sarah's definition of sin would be much more sensible, and would include things that genuinely should make a person ashamed, rather than nonsense like this.

Oops - slight correction: I see that adultery may have been involved. That really is a proper sin, at least when committed without the knowledge and approval of the spouse. Which I surmise was not the case here.

Dickhead.

 

[S-Des]

Moi aussi, but the problem is the definition of "sin." The things that dickhead senators consider "sins" are part of what makes them dickheads in the first place. Sarah's definition of sin would be much more sensible, and would include things that genuinely should make a person ashamed, rather than nonsense like this.

Oops - slight correction: I see that adultery may have been involved. That really is a proper sin, at least when committed without the knowledge and approval of the spouse. Which I surmise was not the case here.

Dickhead.

Agreed. I'm a lot more offended by the corruption of our political leaders (the scandals involving hiring their family members to be lobbyists is particularly disgusting). I don't really care what they do in their private life, unless it threatens their public one and changes their behavior. Then again, if this guy made this big "family values" spiel to get elected, then he needs to live by it to the best of his ability. If an 11 month affair with a hooker is the best he can do, he might need a new platform.

 

[WRJames]

The thing that is frustrating is that these so-called conservatives get themselves elected by posing as being morally superior to the decadent liberals -- and then they enact a lot of repressive legislation to show how morally pure they are. And the public falls for it. Over and over again. It's not the senator that bothers me -- it's the idiots that voted for him.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

I give the guy credit for owning up to it. He's apparently not ducking or dodging on this one. He's stood up and said "Yes, I did it and it was wrong".

He's not trying to plead innocent, claim it wasn't his fault or that he was set up.

That gets him bonus points in my book.

 

[3113]

That gets him bonus points in my book.

Doesn't get him any bonus points in my book *if* he pushed family values, etc. Wasn't there some guy these guys tend to admire who said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone"? If they didn't cast stones against crimes against other's "immorality," then I'll give them props for owning up to their own sin and saying "sorry, it was wrong."

I think, in the end, that's the thing we all agree on. New phrase idea: "It's the Hypocrisy, stupid!" 'Cause, frankly, I'm sick and tired of these guys being in my bedroom or anyone else's bedroom, preaching to all of us how we should live our private lives while they're doing something equally "immoral" in their private lives. If they'll stay out of America's bedrooms, we'll stay out of theirs and they'll never have to apologize or be embarrassed by another indiscretion.

 

[cloudy]

I think, in the end, that's the thing we all agree on. New phrase idea: "It's the Hypocrisy, stupid!" 'Cause, frankly, I'm sick and tired of these guys being in my bedroom or anyone else's bedroom, preaching to all of us how we should live our private lives while they're doing something equally "immoral" in their private lives. If they'll stay out of America's bedrooms, we'll stay out of theirs and they'll never have to apologize or be embarrassed by another indiscretion.

Yes.

And owning up to something doesn't excuse it. If we followed that logic, I could kill whoever I wanted, confess, and be done with it. Why would owning up to something he did wrong earn him anything?

 

[Guest]

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[Roxanne Appleby]

He didn't own up to it until it was made public. And several years ago he denied reporter's claims that he had an affair with a prostitute.

No bonus points.

If several years ago, before the list was known to exist, before the "madam" was facing charges, he owned up to it to his constituency at that time, maybe.

But this is just nonsense and hypocritical bullshit. He did it now because he had no other choice.

Were he Democrat, there would be folks on Capitol Hill calling for his resignation.

Why the partisan split? Didn't Dems resist calls for Rep. Jefferson's resignation when he was popped for bribery in the past year? Those who haven't been caught yet calling for the resignations of those who have is a bipartisan sport.

 

[Guest]

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[Roxanne Appleby]

Quite true.

It's just when something involves sex, it always seems to invoke the "holier-than-thou" conservative crowd.

You know how deviant us liberals are.

Yeah. Barney Frank admits sex with a male prostitute and his re-elect margin probably went up . . .

(I don't know that it did, but it's possible. Don't know and don't care.)

You're right though - being outed as a hypocrite is the deadliest sin in politics.

 

[jomar]

I miss the good old days when the best and the brightest got hammered and ended up in fountains with hookers.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Asked by an interviewer in 2000 whether she could forgive her husband if she learned he'd had an extramarital affair, as Hillary Clinton and Bob Livingston's wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune: "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."

<snerk>

 

[Dreamingoflove]

Quite true.

It's just when something involves sex, it always seems to invoke the "holier-than-thou" conservative crowd.

You know how deviant us liberals are.

I guess we all have done things we regret. But i'm more interested in your's?

 

[gagginforit]

I have a sin in my past. I'm ashamed and more than a little embarrassed to say this but once, when I was younger... I touched myself in a sexual manner.

 

[SeaCat]

I am waiting oh so patiently for the inevitable defense.

Cat

 

[Huckleman2000]

I am waiting oh so patiently for the inevitable defense.

Cat

Two words: Re Hab.