A self-declared FEMINIST brags about using men for free meals.

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.xojane.com/relationships/paying-dinner-online-dating

I’m a staunch feminist, but I do believe in dating gentlemen. I think the guy should pay for the first meal as a demonstration of how he wants to treat you.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Who gives a fuck?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who gives a fuck?

Tricks like LJ....

 

[smoothg103rd]

Tricks like LJ....

Do you know what a "trick" is?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Do you know what a "trick" is?

Depends on where you from.....in the midwest/NE I'm pretty sure it's a hoe.

Down in the dirty dirt a trick is what a hoe turns....aka LJ.

In the PNW people will think you're talking about cereal or some shit.

Sorry...didn't consider regional slang discrepancies.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Who gives a fuck?

Feminists do. Did you even check the link where this story came from? XoJane, one of the really BIG feminist media outlets.

That's a whole lot of giving a fuck.

Plus more people read that story than are members of all of Literotica. A whole lot more giving a fuck.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Feminists do. Did you even check the link where this story came from? XoJane, one of the really BIG feminist media outlets.

That's a whole lot of giving a fuck.

Plus more people read that story than are members of all of Literotica. A whole lot more giving a fuck.

So? They are irrelevant....why do you give them so much power?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Do you know what a "trick" is?

He just learned this word from listening in on his mother talking. You know, the only pussy he has ever been inside of...

 

[BotanyBoy]

He just learned this word from listening in on his mother talking. You know, the only pussy he has ever been inside of...

LOL says the guy who cries all day and night about how women only like tall guys with money.....

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

So? They are irrelevant....why do you give them so much power?

Irrelevant? What makes you think these kinds of women are powerless?

They would be powerless if men did the smart thing and avoided them like the plague.

Women would start getting the message if huge numbers of men would refuse to date women who don't go dutch. But like Buttanyboy most men are desperate for pussy and will play the game by any rules that women set.

That's what women count on.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Irrelevant? What makes you think these kinds of women are powerless?

Because I don't see them wielding any power....I see a self entitled bitch giving her opinion. If she can find guys who indulge her, more power too her she's obviously worth what she's selling.

But she can't phase me....she has no say so over my life.

They would be powerless if men did the smart thing and avoided them like the plague.

That would be a lot easier if you quit spreading her and her kind around....just ignore the hoe until she finds trick to turn and laugh at the sucker, be glad it's not you.

Women would start getting the message if huge numbers of men would refuse to date women who don't go dutch.

What message?

But like Buttanyboy most men are desperate for pussy and will play the game by any rules that women set.

That's what women count on.

LOL desperate? Yes the mountain hermit is desperate for extra social activity....since never.

Play what game?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Because I don't see them wielding any power....I see a self entitled bitch giving her opinion. If she can find guys who indulge her, more power too her she's obviously worth what she's selling.

Her success inspires other women to do the same.

That would be a lot easier if you quit spreading her and her kind around....just ignore the hoe until she finds trick to turn and laugh at the sucker, be glad it's not you.

There is no scenario that sees any additional men wanting to date this woman after I've pointed her out.

XoJane pointing this woman out emboldens women to be like her. Men pointing her out and properly explaining why she is toxic, never inspires additional men to want to be with her: it reduces the number of men who desire her. The point lies in properly explaining why she is toxic.

What message?

Really, you don't get it, mister self-proclaimed high speed Secret (half)Asian Man assassin dude?

If men stop dating women like that, they'll get the hint to stop being like that. If they don't get the hint, they'll age out of the gene pool and younger women will see their elderly childless agony and think twice about being like them. Then they'll ask the men, "What went wrong with these women?" and then they'll get the fucking message: don't be a fucking gold digger.

But the eternal truth of life is that women are only ever what they are because men tolerate it. And men are only ever what they are because women tolerate it. And the problem here is that men put up with a lot more from women than women tolerate from men. The theme of every post I've ever written about women is the need to bring this ancient dynamic into equilibrium.

Most men do not understand that while women have a right to refuse sex, men have that power, too, and it can be equally as devastating. Withholding sex is an ancient power that women have wielded; and when men start withholding sex for morally substandard women, it will be that last crisis that female hypergamy ever faces, the way a sentence encounters a period.

This is what's happening with Herbivore men in Japan: some women are seeing the error of their ways, others are stubbornly aging out of the gene pool. The girls growing up there today are seeing their older female compatriots paying men big bucks just to cuddle with them. Hypergamy in Japan is facing its very last crisis - the crisis that is killing hypergamy decisively. And as a side-effect, Herbivore men are bringing Japan to its knees in their war against arbitrary definitions of manliness. On that front they are also winning overwhelmingly.

In China, where there is a female shortage, men are keeping their dicks in their pants. As a result there's tons of women who are declared "leftover women" and who cannot even find dates. Mind you, I don't even understand how the men are pulling that off in a place where women are actually rare. But they are.

So it is possible for men to stage a civilization-wide Lysistrata. And that's kind of what we need.

In America, in this subject that we're discussing? A culture in which women who don't go dutch get stuck living lonely and sexless lives, is within one additional generation a culture in which all surviving women who want to date, will go dutch. Because a Lysistrata-by-the-men will force a rebalance - the problem is that men need the fucking balls to say no to women who play power games with men.

NO is a word that is more powerful than guns or even atom bombs. You can't nuke 'em into submission - but you sure as fuck can bring a whole generation of women straight down to hell by strategically zipping up your pants. Just ask the Japanese if you think I'm wrong.

Women have been doing this to men, they've got no moral standing to trash talk when the chickens come back home to roost.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Her success inspires other women to do the same.

Maybe so but that's not a problem....hoez always have been and always will be.

Really, you don't get it, mister self-proclaimed high speed Secret (half)Asian Man assassin dude?

No I don't.....

If men stop dating women like that, they'll get the hint to stop being like that.

That's right up there with "if we get rid of all the guns in America" fantasy level of never going to happen bullshit. Not in either of our lifetimes LOL as long as money = status in M'uricuh hoez gonna be hoein'

 

[mark_j]

Depends on where you from.....in the midwest/NE I'm pretty sure it's a hoe.

Down in the dirty dirt a trick is what a hoe turns....aka LJ.

In the PNW people will think you're talking about cereal or some shit.

Sorry...didn't consider regional slang discrepancies.

Cereal or some such shit? Must be one of those things from the granola set. Or something like those poor bastards at Amazon who drink that Soylent sewage.

 

[Aella_]

lmao…
The way you portrayed men: this bunch of funny, gullible desperados who would do anything just to get some,
and women: alluring, unattainable beings

I so wish I lived in your world, LJ
*sigh*

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

lmao…
The way you portrayed men: this bunch of funny, gullible desperados who would do anything just to get some,
and women: alluring, unattainable beings

I so wish I lived in your world, LJ
*sigh*

It's that way in every animal species, Aella. The female always calls the shots when it comes to mating. That's why males compete for mates and females don't. Hell, in some species the female eats the male.

That's just how nature is.

To beat nature we gotta use our neo cortex to change the rules.

And when it comes to humans, nature needs a good ass whuppin.

 

[nymph817]

http://www.xojane.com/relationships/paying-dinner-online-dating

You want to be treated on your first date ? No problem Honey. We'll go to Wendy's.

http://www.writerscafe.org/uploads/rte/30bd2d71ec8415f553235a4c4cedcd2f.png

You get the dollar burger, the dollar fries, and a cup of water.
I also have a keychain tag that will get you a free kiddie frosty. *jingle jingle*
How generous of me !

http://www.writerscafe.org/uploads/rte/bd5b8f124396758a1cb48b7494288f6a.png

Total cost, $2.16.

Gives a whole new meaning to CHEAP DATE !

 

[Aella_]

It's that way in every animal species, Aella. The female always calls the shots when it comes to mating. That's why males compete for mates and females don't. Hell, in some species the female eats the male.
.

I really wish I lived in your world, LJ *sigh*

But not always, LJ. I guess it all comes to supply and demand.
I experienced the opposite, during my postgrad. years. In my class, women outnombered men, and there was much competition between females, over potential boyfriends or hubbies. My interests lay somewhere else then, thank god, so I didn't have to go through all that madness.

 

[ElijaRDC]

http://www.xojane.com/relationships/paying-dinner-online-dating

I'm a feminist, and I never cook for my boyfriend whereas he often cooks for me.

(Those two things are completely unrelated, but LJ can have some fun with it if he wants, entirely at my expense. I'm generous like that.)

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I really wish I lived in your world, LJ *sigh*

But not always, LJ. I guess it all comes to supply and demand.
I experienced the opposite, during my postgrad. years. In my class, women outnombered men, and there was much competition between females, over potential boyfriends or hubbies. My interests lay somewhere else then, thank god, so I didn't have to go through all that madness.

"women outnombered men, and there was much competition between females, over potential boyfriends or hubbies."

Ah, there's another interesting subject that has even received a lot of attention recently. See, the problem there is that women do not like marrying men below their socioeconomic level - there are tons of men who aren't in college in that age group, but the womenfolk will not date them. Therefore the women you speak of perceived a shortage of men, because of exactly one thing: all the hard working lower-class men that they ignored.

Women never want to talk about their classist prejudices. But it is their dating classism that leaves them with a "man shortage". There is no man shortage. There is never a shortage of men. There is only women who are suffering due to their own persistent inflexibility.

 

[Aella_]

I didn't think about it that way when I wrote it, but come to think about it, you might be right.
I guess in many cases, women prefer to date upwards on their social scale (whatever their personal criterion for that might be), whereas men prefer to date downwards.

And tbh, I used to have that bias, too. In that, whereas money has no relevance, education had.
- Because I had this preconceived view that someone with a tertiary education might be more able to carry an interesting conversation or help me improve.
- But now, although formal education still matters, it's less important nowadays (I met some high-tech guys who were So narrow-minded), than autodidacticism (or what's the right word for it?) and common shared interests and values.

Also, let's be honest: you guys have your own prejudices and snobbery, too: ever seen a guy happy to marry someone who's ugly?

((PS- hope no Lit trolls will be reading my post, since it oozes self-entitlement and a bit of prejudice. But I'd rather carry an honest convesation, than pretend to be smthng. that I'm not).

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I didn't think about it that way when I wrote it, but come to think about it, you might be right.
I guess in many cases, women prefer to date upwards on their social scale (whatever their personal criterion for that might be), whereas men prefer to date downwards.

And tbh, I used to have that bias, too. In that, whereas money has no relevance, education had.
- Because I had this preconceived view that someone with a tertiary education might be more able to carry an interesting conversation or help me improve.
- But now, although formal education still matters, it's less important nowadays (I met some high-tech guys who were So narrow-minded), than autodidacticism (or what's the right word for it?) and common shared interests and values.

Also, let's be honest: you guys have your own prejudices and snobbery, too: ever seen a guy happy to marry someone who's ugly?

((PS- hope no Lit trolls will be reading my post, since it oozes self-entitlement and a bit of prejudice. But I'd rather carry an honest convesation, than pretend to be smthng. that I'm not).

I tell men this all the time, even on Lit - if you are picky about women based on looks, and you value that above her personality, you're asking to get seriously burned.

If ever there was an actual movement to do paper bag dating I'd be in favor of it. Maybe have the concept of dating go like that TV show "the voice" where you only hear the performance and then turn around and see the person.

 

[nymph817]

I didn't think about it that way when I wrote it, but come to think about it, you might be right.
I guess in many cases, women prefer to date upwards on their social scale (whatever their personal criterion for that might be), whereas men prefer to date downwards.

And tbh, I used to have that bias, too. In that, whereas money has no relevance, education had.
- Because I had this preconceived view that someone with a tertiary education might be more able to carry an interesting conversation or help me improve.
- But now, although formal education still matters, it's less important nowadays (I met some high-tech guys who were So narrow-minded), than autodidacticism (or what's the right word for it?) and common shared interests and values.

Also, let's be honest: you guys have your own prejudices and snobbery, too: ever seen a guy happy to marry someone who's ugly?

((PS- hope no Lit trolls will be reading my post, since it oozes self-entitlement and a bit of prejudice. But I'd rather carry an honest convesation, than pretend to be smthng. that I'm not).

We meet again.

Aella, I had a post earlier on this earlier. It briefly reflected on Autumn Years, people in their 60s and older. Anyways what I wrote there does have bearing today.

If you are young, chances are you are beautiful, just take some vitamins, exercise, proper attire, then you too can look like a prostitute, a stud, or what have you.

But when Father Time starts to turn your clock, you men and women out there better have some new tricks up your sleeve outside of just looks to latch on to your mate.

I'm 48. Rose is 67. She doesn't look 18, I know that. But I also =KNOW= her having been together so many years. I see a kind, caring, considerate woman who isn't afraid of talking to strangers and helping out other people.

It's what's inside that counts, and that will especially be true for any of you who come up to age.

So in answer to your query of, "ever seen a guy happy to marry someone who's ugly ?"

Yes. Yes I can if he can see beyond the skin, the shallow makeup and ephemeral illusion beauty. He would indeed marry someone 'ugly' because they are a wonderful and beautiful person inside.

 

[Aella_]

((I'm in my late thirtees))

That's so refreshing, that you chose differently, and there are men like that, from what I've seen, but unfortunately they are a minority, imo.

From what I've seen around me (and I'm only talking about romantic relationships and not collegial relationships, where men do not discriminate) I think that most men are visual and are attracted by the package, first. Only afterwards do they narrow it down according to 'what's inside'.
Whereas women tend to be more tolerant, when it comes to looks.

I don't blame them, though. I used to be quite picky about many things (re dates) and bigoted (more R-wing) myself, before I emigrated. Only after I got kicked in my ass did I started to take into account, gradually, what really matters as opposed to what society conditioned me into.

 

[nymph817]

((I'm in my late thirtees))

That's so refreshing, that you chose differently, and there are men like that, from what I've seen, but unfortunately they are a minority, imo.

I won't argue with you there. But I see life as a good game of chess. You have to think ahead - and that includes love and marriage.

From what I've seen around me (and I'm only talking about romantic relationships and not collegial relationships, where men do not discriminate) I think that most men are visual and are attracted by the package, first. Only afterwards do they narrow it down according to 'what's inside'.
Whereas women tend to be more tolerant, when it comes to looks.

That's always going to be the case. But understand - and perhaps this is a curious point. It is possible that we, as humans, only do what our advertisers tell us.

We have many MANY magazines and video clips with women and men and they advertise products and they go out of their WAY to appear as sexy and attractive as possible. Physical attributes.

It is possible that the reason we are attracted to people of this nature is because it is ingrained and embedded in our heads by the cursed advertisers. And that is not something we take as choice but as a given.

I don't blame them, though. I used to be quite picky about many things (re dates) and bigoted (more R-wing) myself, before I emigrated. Only after I got kicked in my ass did I started to take into account, gradually, what really matters as opposed to what society conditioned me into.

Always look at the big picture, and you'll do just fine, Aella.