A question for all of you....

[John_Black]

Ok, let me ask you people who monitor the story idea bulletin boards this question. Mostly because i've been thinking about this and i don't seem to be creative enough to come up with an answer myself

Let's say a young 18 y/o rich female and when i mean rich i'm talking rich enough to have to actually have an obscene limit on her credit card and just generally screams "high maintenance."

Now let's say the rich female locks onto a seemingly average good looking older guy who wants little to do with her. I'd go so far to say he almost runs screaming from high maintenance women and he is almost disgusted by women who are "well off."

The question is what does the rich young female do to get the average guy's attention?

and just to make things more interesting, no suggestions that could be considered serious crimes.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

I don't think the credit card is as much of a bar as the high maintenance appearance. To me, I think that would send up a couple of flags.

The first would be the very-real 'out of my class' flag. Very pretty girls will often tell you how hard it is for them to get a date because all the guys are intimidated by excess beauty. It's the same thing, I think.

The second would be the 'rich bitch' flag. Whatever your heroine's personality may be, he's going to be seeing echoes of all the splashed-on-social-media spoiled brat antics of very rich young women. Paris Hilton may be a bit dated as an example - forgive me; I try to ignore such nonsense - but it serves my aim. The concern, I suspect, would be that, simply due to her money, she's spoiled rotten.

The thing would be to make her appear human, somebody he can relate to. So, maybe she needs to have typical 'pink' issues she needs some traditional 'blue' help with.

"Look, I'm really sorry to bother you, but could you please give me a hand carrying a box up to my apartment? It's a bit heavy for me." How does this work for her? 1) It stokes the genetic male desire to be seen by the female as useful. 2) It presents her as just a normal person, one with real-world problems - and normal limitations. 3) It shows that she doesn't try to buy her way out of all her issues. 4) It's an opener. He gets to see her as a real person as opposed to an image. Moreover, she can reciprocate in a traditional way by inviting him to her place for a home-cooked meal. "Would lasagna be OK?"

Lots of other openers. The thing is to give him a chance to experience her as a person as opposed to an image.

 

[emap]

There is a flaw in your idea, not that the rich girl is "high maintenance", the flaw appears in she chases after him. A rich girl of any visual attractiveness won't go after a poor man. In contrast a poor man would chase after her or simply ignore her, toss up on which.

People of wealth, unless they are the one earning the high salary, view people who are worth less than themselves as not someone to spend time with. Mostly because of a simple problem, does the other person like them for them or simply like their money?

Generally this is carried too far, namely the rich either have kids without marriage, or only marry those who are worth as much. Kids without marriage is mostly done by the rich women mind. It is true that sometimes a poor person marries into money, but only often enough to be commented on as a goal.

 

[Jada59]

There is a flaw in your idea, not that the rich girl is "high maintenance", the flaw appears in she chases after him. A rich girl of any visual attractiveness won't go after a poor man. In contrast a poor man would chase after her or simply ignore her, toss up on which.

People of wealth, unless they are the one earning the high salary, view people who are worth less than themselves as not someone to spend time with. Mostly because of a simple problem, does the other person like them for them or simply like their money?

Generally this is carried too far, namely the rich either have kids without marriage, or only marry those who are worth as much. Kids without marriage is mostly done by the rich women mind. It is true that sometimes a poor person marries into money, but only often enough to be commented on as a goal.

Exactly. And it's a stretch to think that an 18 year old would be very wealthy. Possible, but not likely.

 

[JonathanBair]

As a male, I don't care how much cash she has in her bank account. It would be all on her personality. If she acts like a normal human that I can relate to. Then she will catch my eye.. If she acts stuck up. Well I will be glad to just walk away as I couldn't handle that.

 

[LWulf]

I can instantly relate. I've lived around rich people most of my life and couldn't care less about their antics. I wasn't old at the time but I can temporalize to suit.

It comes down to, how much does she want opposed to what she has. If she is driven enough, then she will overcome what he perceives as her shortcomings.

If she is just a spoiled brat then she likely wouldn't ever understand why he thinks what is important, she would use all her bratty ways to try to overcome his reticence. She would try to impress him in shallow, insignificant ways. She would try talking to him. When he says "no" she would turn on the alligator tears, or maybe they are genuine (to a degree) because she's never been told "no." She is more spurred on to the challenge rather than really being interested in him at this point. She's more incensed that she has been denied, rather than piqued by differences.

Then it comes down to wills, whose is stronger, and whose is more centered.

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Personally, I find youth lacking. Beauty is fleeting. A quick wit, and savvy nature is what I value. In other words, someone I can relate to. The only reason I'd go after someone that young is if I wanted a baby maker. However, the older I get, the less interested that becomes.

My point is, perhaps what is giving you trouble with your story isn't what is she like, what is her motivation, but who is he, and what is his motivation. If he would NEVER give her the time of day, then no manner of changes for her would ever make her interesting to him. To make it where the two get together, there has to be a common ground that "if she would just be..." and "If he would just be..." and then one or both sees the potential of the other where attraction can grow into a relationship.

Thereby you have your love story.

Point of reference. Rarely are the rich, stupid. They are usually raised to be smarter, maybe not street smart, or if they are, then they automatically gravitate towards that venue, and essentially renounce their bratty ways, but they always start out with smarts.

 

[LWulf]

Exactly. And it's a stretch to think that an 18 year old would be very wealthy. Possible, but not likely.

Endowments from parents who supply them with spending money is usually how it starts. I think what he is talking about is the potential for two unicorns. Mythical rarities, that sometimes does pop up every now and then. She would be the rich shopper. Shrewd with a critical eye to know what she likes, and doesn't spend money frivolously. Such a shopper might then, by extension, know what markets to invest in and snowball her nest-egg into a greater wealth, thereby she might herself become almost as wealthy as her parents.

Rich people start gifting their kids early to learn how to handle money and get them familiar with using it.

Alternatively, he would be someone who is more interested in secular interests, so he would nearly scream that money isn't everything. In essence they would be very similar being that they don't spend money frivolously. However, one uses money to get what they want, and the other tries to get what they want through "purer" methods: through blood, sweat and tears. The old fashioned way.

 

[SimonDoom]

There is a flaw in your idea, not that the rich girl is "high maintenance", the flaw appears in she chases after him. A rich girl of any visual attractiveness won't go after a poor man. In contrast a poor man would chase after her or simply ignore her, toss up on which.

People of wealth, unless they are the one earning the high salary, view people who are worth less than themselves as not someone to spend time with. Mostly because of a simple problem, does the other person like them for them or simply like their money?

Generally this is carried too far, namely the rich either have kids without marriage, or only marry those who are worth as much. Kids without marriage is mostly done by the rich women mind. It is true that sometimes a poor person marries into money, but only often enough to be commented on as a goal.

I don't think it's true that such a girl would "never" go for such a man, but I agree it's somewhat unlikely, and before asking "what would the girl do to attract him" the author has to really think through:

1. Why is this rich attractive high maintenance girl attracted to this guy? There must be something about him that attracts her. Whatever that "something" is, is going to drive the story. You need to figure that out.

Maybe he's funny. He makes her laugh. Many women are attracted to that.

Maybe he did her a kindness, and most of the people she knows are assholes.

Maybe he's really good at something that she admires. He's a musician, or an artist.

Maybe he sees something in her that others don't. For instance, maybe he's a teacher who appreciated something she did in class in a way that no one else recognizes.

2. Why isn't he interested? This too has to be figured out, and it's going to be a product of his character.

Maybe he's been burned by rich/high maintenance girls.

Maybe he's just a simple guy who wants to keep things simple.

Maybe he's a jeans/outdoors guy who likes getting dirty, and he perceives her as incompatible with that.

Maybe because he's her teacher he wants to respect the boundaries of the teacher/student relationship.

But, ultimately, there has to be something about her that makes her a good match for him if you want them to end up with each other in the end. What is that thing? What's good about her? We won't care about her effort to woo him if there isn't something good about her.

To attract him, she has to be concerned about 1 and 2. She's going to try to overcome whatever the obstacle is that explains why he doesn't want her, and she's going to play to whatever that special trait is about him that she likes.

 

[SteelPoint]

Maybe I'm missing something here but I simply do not see the point at issue.

The different attitudes to wealth, is that it?

If we're talking erotic content (and that's what these forums are supposed to be about, right?) then the potential for that inherent in differing attitudes to wealth, I would say, approaches zero.

We might as well posit any two individuals whose opinions on any random subject are at odds.

Mystified.

 

[LWulf]

...If we're talking erotic content (and that's what these forums are supposed to be about, right?)...

Um, not all content for story ideas is based on erotic content. It could be going in that direction, but the writer needs help with a fundamental foundation concept. It's just a catch-all concept of people helping people with ideas for stories. At least that's what I think it is.

People post stories on Literotica which are non-erotic, so...

One story tag is:
Non-Erotic - Fiction without a sexual focus
Another is:
Romance - Drama, love, risk, and happily-ever-afters.

So, basics. Stories, Ideas. A never ending spiraling taijitu of you scratch my back I scratch yours.

 

[JonathanBair]

Maybe I'm missing something here but I simply do not see the point at issue.

The different attitudes to wealth, is that it?

If we're talking erotic content (and that's what these forums are supposed to be about, right?) then the potential for that inherent in differing attitudes to wealth, I would say, approaches zero.

We might as well posit any two individuals whose opinions on any random subject are at odds.

Mystified.

Um, not all content for story ideas is based on erotic content. It could be going in that direction, but the writer needs help with a fundamental foundation concept. It's just a catch-all concept of people helping people with ideas for stories. At least that's what I think it is.

People post stories on Literotica which are non-erotic, so...

One story tag is:
Non-Erotic - Fiction without a sexual focus
Another is:
Romance - Drama, love, risk, and happily-ever-afters.

So, basics. Stories, Ideas. A never ending spiraling taijitu of you scratch my back I scratch yours.

I say yes there should be a bit more then she is rich drooling over a older non rich man... That is to basic of a story base for me to get into... Even if its a erotic story. I still need to have a feel for the character and the intro was a bit to basic. Its a good starting point, but missing depth.... In my eyes.

Its like saying I want a non-con story with having no info on how the MC's know each other. Unless its just some random person picked off the street. But still that tell a bit about how they know each other...

 

[LWulf]

I say yes there should be a bit more then she is rich drooling over a older non rich man... That is to basic of a story base for me to get into... Even if its a erotic story. I still need to have a feel for the character and the intro was a bit to basic. Its a good starting point, but missing depth.... In my eyes.

Its like saying I want a non-con story with having no info on how the MC's know each other. Unless its just some random person picked off the street. But still that tell a bit about how they know each other...

Well, yeah, it's basic, The OP is asking for help with HIS story, not offering up a story concept for others to start writing, so he's naturally holding back as much as he can to retain his own creative premise.

I mean, this should be fairly obvious...

 

[Touch_type]

What was it that brought this guy onto her radar in the first place? He's nice to kids, animals, elderly people? Owns something she wants - though I can't think what that might be? Obviously not his looks or physique. Does he have an amazing sense of humour? Whatever that is gives her the reason to pursue and you're off to the races. Hope that helps.

 

[Magineer]

People post stories on Literotica which are non-erotic,

Don't they just...

 

[Vix_Giovanni]

Ok, let me ask you people who monitor the story idea bulletin boards this question. Mostly because i've been thinking about this and i don't seem to be creative enough to come up with an answer myself

Let's say a young 18 y/o rich female and when i mean rich i'm talking rich enough to have to actually have an obscene limit on her credit card and just generally screams "high maintenance."

Now let's say the rich female locks onto a seemingly average good looking older guy who wants little to do with her. I'd go so far to say he almost runs screaming from high maintenance women and he is almost disgusted by women who are "well off."

The question is what does the rich young female do to get the average guy's attention?

and just to make things more interesting, no suggestions that could be considered serious crimes.

This is pretty much the plot of My Man Godfrey, the best-selling novel by Eric Hatch and Academy-Award nominated movie (1937) of the same name. A rich young girl falls head over heels for an older, homeless man who has no interest in socialites like her. Against his will, she makes him accept a job as the family butler.

The answer to your question is that story’s plot; madcappery of all types, legal and illegal, ensues as she tries to make him love her in return.

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[LupusDei]

I second most what LWulf said and I was just about to write basically the same SimonDoom said.

Now for my own musings...

The question is what does the rich young female do to get the average guy's attention?

To have the story, our rich girl can't be shallow bimbo, she must have smarts and will to follow through with her goals even if possibly misguided.

Stage one: encounter

For whatever reason, they're in a shared environment. Dates are hit and miss, and there just that much a chance to bump into someone repeatedly. To have ongoing efforts of seduction there must be reason why they can't quite avoid each other easily.

To construct this shared environment might be a challenge on its own right. It also might be manufactured by using the resources of the girl, either already targeting our guy based on some prior interest or just for adventure sake. Either way, there must be reason and chance for the girl to set her targets on this guy. At very least, they're neighbors.

Stage two: attraction

The girl will do what she knows as apparently working on her peers and random guys: she will try to blind him with her beauty, natural and enhanced by what money can buy. Normally, cocking her hips and fluttering eyelashes had been all it needs to turn a guy into a puppy and puppet following her every want. Not with this man.

Why it falls is reasons like what SimonDoom described, probably some combination of several in different intensities. I will add philosophical-political: perhaps, he's a socialist or a greenie who just dislikes rich people and what he sees as overspending and status obsession.

Stage three: challenge

She discovers that the guy is interesting, to her, for some reason. Like LWulf said, the very fact he refused her may be one. His -- apparently -- radically different outlook of life is likely one. Experience and confidence are attractive on their own right. He becomes challenge and adventure, and a fantasy (with may be majorly wrong at this point). At least some degree of common interest is necessary. Perhaps, the girl herself question her parents (and/or their social circles) lifestyle and attitudes.

She will likely try the standard openers like what TarnishedPenny suggested, but I don't see them working. The guy may go for some such, mostly just to be polite, it is more likely to just annoy him, because this "must be helped" attitude is likely one of the major points of his repulsion.

Stage four: obsession

She won't relent, and may engineer increasingly complex situations up to elaborate street theater. With the guy will probably see try, again leading to rather opposite results.

Just to remain in shared environment may become challenging, but as we know the girl is resourceful. She may seek to outright hire him to work for her in some capacity, or manipulate her parents or they friends to hire him to do something that gives her access to him, or otherwise try to force dependency on him.

He may accept some, as far it's obviously beneficial, but more likely try to resist seeing the goal of making him dependent, or just out of his own character. If he does engage in working, teaching or other business relationship with the girl it may create new boundaries and new obstacles as he is determined to keep things separate, even if he might have developed some attraction to her already, but now duty bound to behave in accordance to his own private rule set.

Stage five: change

At this point, both have learned much about each other. The girl, if smart, should be able to construct how a person attractive to our target might look like. Now it is question of her acceptance of engaging or at least displaying the necessarily changes of appearance and apparent character.

At the same time our guy has become at least somewhat used to the antics of his girl, and hopefully for her, discovered his own points of interest in her (or not, and we have a tragedy instead of romance).

Stage six: breakthrough

Eventually something works. Else we don't have the story we expect, and I'm a pessimist, I believe that smart and determined enough woman can seduce just about any man.

It may be something dramatic.

What was intended as a street play may go sideways and he have to rescue her from real bandits.

The car she intentionally damaged breaks at the wrong time, crash severely and they have to spend a night together in the bush, waiting for rescue with broken bones.

Or it can be something mundane.

A late night in the office leading to in-depth convention.

The everyday commonality between them may slowly grow to the point it not totally outrageous for her to join him in the shower on a whim, and for him to not drop her out as misbehaving brat, or such attempt of dropping her out of the shower end up with twisted together naked bodies rolling on the floor.

Even a manipulative double date, intentionally engineered to fail so they remain one-on-one at the end, may just work, just because they're already friends on some level and it's no longer awkward.

Then, the stage seven would be the first sex, eight the immediate aftermath, and nine future.

 

[John_Black]

Ok first let me say i'm deliriously happy at the response to this thread. But to clarify some things. First like i said i'm not creative enough to come up with the answer to this question i stated in my first post. Even coming up with "bratty" things for the female character to do is something i think i will have to seriously research.

Also i didn't come up with this concept originally i read something like it in a werewolf story a long time ago where the male hero resists getting together with a female werewolf because she is the obligatory "rich bitch" of sorts. Now that i'm writing the concept of a rich woman pursuing an average guy i find intriguing because it's odd enough to be interesting to me.

On that basis i'm debating 2 angles to add onto the story i'm writing

First a human male hero unknowingly meets a werewolf girl who's a "rich bitch" and she locks onto him because her wolf says he's her mate. and after all the obligatory "rich bitch bratty" antics she reveals she's a werewolf to him but he reveals he already knows paranormal creatures exist because he's living with five or six other paranormal females.

I'm not sure how the adventure ends yet, but i figure it's a nice adventure to keep in mind just on the basis of giving all those carbon copy werewolf stories the finger.

Second the human male hero meets the female student "rich bitch" at a certain VIP high school because he's working as a companion/assistant for a different student girl who goes to the same VIP high school. The twist in this little tale is he has history with the girl he's working for because he helped her out of a bad situation.

I'm not entirely sure where this adventure is going to go yet, but it will be a part of the same paranormal story i'm writing.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

Look, all erotica and just about all porn (a shade of difference) involves some degree of unreality. There's a thread going on now somewhere about suspension of disbelief.

So while those saying your original premise is unrealistic may be correct, it really doesn't matter. You've got a solid idea or two and that's the germ of creativity. So don't sell yourself short. They're intriguing ideas - run with them.

And here's one more thing to keep thumbtacked to the wall behind your computer screen. Nobody - nobody - was ever born a good writer. It takes work and it involves making mistakes and it involves - above all - a process of improvement. So don't worry about your perceived present lack of skill. The only way to learn is the same way the cat learned to swim.

Looking forward to seeing your stuff.

 

[SteelPoint]

There is such an elephant in the room here.

Money buys power. Ask DJT.

With power, you can manipulate. Go, as the Yanks say, figure...

 

[LupusDei]

There is such an elephant in the room here.

Money buys power. Ask DJT.

With power, you can manipulate. Go, as the Yanks say, figure...

Yep. And the "things I can never tell him, but I must" can be a whole another stage of difficulties after the seemingly happy first sex. If any continuation is at all desired, that is.