A question about underage characters in stories

[wetfantasy]

Greetings! This is my first post. Anyway, I have a few questions regarding the submission guidelines.

According to the submission guidelines:

"No sexual activity involving bestiality (you can write stories about supernatural beasts like ghosts, unicorns, werewolves, etc.) or underage persons will be considered. For the purposes of this site, the minimum legal age is 18. This site does not publish stories, articles, essays, or other material supporting, encouraging, or defending child abuse and/or exploitation. "

First I can't help but lol at how sex with animals is banned and yet sex with monsters and beats isn't. But that's not really what I came to ask about.

So according to this publishing stories that feature underage characters engaging in sexual acts isn't allowed. But since we are talking about pure written fiction, isn't it laughably easy to get around this restriction?

For example, what is stopping somebody from describing a character that blatantly looks and acts like a minor but is still claimed to bet at least 18? Or what if a person who was 16 at the start of the story fell into a coma and then woke up again 3 years later looking no different than before? Or if we want to go even further, what if the writer takes advantage of the fact that he is dealing with total fiction and does something insane. For example, what if a character is already established to be 18, but then a wizard comes along and uses magic to youthen the character's body and make it THINK that it's a minor? TECHNICALLY the character is still 18 and thus not a minor. Would such a story violate the rule saying no minors? Because I see plot twists like this in lots of hentai fiction and yet I don't know anybody who really thinks that stuff should be banned.

Just how strict is this rule?

 

[sr71plt]

Since this comes up about once a week and is a nonstarter because this is a private Web site that has the privilege to restrict whatever it will publish, maybe this time rather than going through the litany one more time, you could just read in on the board.

It's simply a site rule and they have the right to set the rules. Go elsewhere if you don't want to follow their rules, and if you want to argue about it, argue directly with the site editor, Laurel, via PM (private messages, top right of this page). Nobody else can do anything other than repeat for the nine hundreth time that it's a site rule and the site's privilege to set.

 

[wetfantasy]

Since this comes up about once a week and is a nonstarter because this is a private Web site that has the privilege to restrict whatever it will publish, maybe this time rather than going through the litany one more time, you could just read in on the board.

It's simply a site rule and they have the right to set the rules. Go elsewhere if you don't want to follow their rules, and if you want to argue about it, argue directly with the site editor, Laurel, via PM (private messages, top right of this page). Nobody else can do anything other than repeat for the nine hundreth time that it's a site rule and the site's privilege to set.

I never argued against the idea that the site can create it's own rules. I was asking about extent at which the rule applies. But I will still take your advice and browse the forum. No reason to be so hostile.

 

[Laurel]

Greetings! This is my first post. Anyway, I have a few questions regarding the submission guidelines.

According to the submission guidelines:

"No sexual activity involving bestiality (you can write stories about supernatural beasts like ghosts, unicorns, werewolves, etc.) or underage persons will be considered. For the purposes of this site, the minimum legal age is 18. This site does not publish stories, articles, essays, or other material supporting, encouraging, or defending child abuse and/or exploitation. "

First I can't help but lol at how sex with animals is banned and yet sex with monsters and beats isn't. But that's not really what I came to ask about.

So according to this publishing stories that feature underage characters engaging in sexual acts isn't allowed. But since we are talking about pure written fiction, isn't it laughably easy to get around this restriction?

For example, what is stopping somebody from describing a character that blatantly look and acts like a minor but is still claimed to bet at least 18? Or what if a person who was 16 at the start of the story fell into a coma and then woke up again 3 years later looking no different than before? Or if we want to go even further, what if the writer takes advantage of the fact that he is dealing with total fiction and does something insane. For example, what if a character is already established to be 18, but then a wizard comes along and uses magic to youthen the character's body and make it THINK that it's a minor? TECHNICALLY the character is still 18 and thus not a minor. Would such a story violate the rule saying no minors? Because I see plot twists like this in lots of hentai fiction and yet I don't know anybody who really thinks that stuff should be banned.

Just how strict is this rule?

No.

The person must be biologically 18 years of age or older. Period, end of story.

Please respect our right to set the rules for this privately-owned site. If you want to write about things that we don't publish, there are many other sites where you can do so.

Thank you in advance.

 

[sr71plt]

No reason to be so hostile.

When you actually read in, you might see how irritating this question has become, especially with posters who argue a lot about it. We now get a chance to see if you're one of those who will do that even after getting a definitive answer from the site editor.

 

[wetfantasy]

When you actually read in, you might see how irritating this question has become, especially with posters who argue a lot about it. We now get a chance to see if you're one of those who will do that even after getting a definitive answer from the site editor.

Fine.

 

[Handley_Page]

Greetings! This is my first post. Anyway, I have a few questions regarding the submission guidelines.


Just how strict is this rule?

The short answer is:
"VERY".

It surprises me that anyone with any sense would even ask this question, given the firmness of the Rule: But it gets asked, surprisingly often.
It's as if all those asking are lawyers questioning some moot point about the Constitution, thus driving a wedge into enshrined law.

You also questioned:-
First I can't help but lol at how sex with animals is banned and yet sex with monsters and beats isn't.

Being screwed by a Unicorn (or, conversely, screwing) is, to my mind, impossible
if only on the order that the beast is not real.
But in some parts of the world, sex with a live animal is not proscribed (I believe that in one part of the Arab world, sex with the goat is permitted, provided its a female goat).

In other words, one is physically possible the other is definitely not.

My advice, for what it's worth, is to reign in your wilder fancies and write a few plain, vanilla, stories; each with a beginning, a middle and an end, while you get the hang of the rules and moires of the Board.

 

[oggbashan]

What hasn't been said so far, but is repeated every time this question is posed:

IF the character is described or behaves as if they are under 18, no number of statements that they ARE 18 will save the story from being rejected on Literotica.

However you can have children under 18 as characters in a story as long as they are not involved in any sexual activities.

An example:

"We were frustrated. Every time we wanted to make love, the baby would wake up..."

 

[JKendallDane]

No.

The person must be biologically 18 years of age or older. Period, end of story.

Please respect our right to set the rules for this privately-owned site. If you want to write about things that we don't publish, there are many other sites where you can do so.

Thank you in advance.

That would make a great sticky, Laurel. Short. Concise. Straight to the point. No vacillating. No negotiating. No exceptions. No wiggle room. Just: NO!

Course you would have to assume that people that read it understand what "PERIOD, END OF STORY" means. Not holding my breath on most of the people that ask this question constantly...and then wanting to start the 'But what about?' bullshit...being that intelligent.

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[lovecraft68]

I never argued against the idea that the site can create it's own rules. I was asking about extent at which the rule applies. But I will still take your advice and browse the forum. No reason to be so hostile.

Welcome.

Seeing you got your answer straight from the top on that topic I hope to see you stick around.

If you do then follow this unofficial forum rule

"To increase your enjoyment of this forum please put SR71plt on ignore."

You've already seen proof as to why.

 

[sr71plt]

Ah, Hatecraft is now back to his old form after recovering from the beat down from his former buddies, the "best" writers on Literotica.

 

[karaline]

That would make a great sticky, Laurel. Short. Concise. Straight to the point. No vacillating. No negotiating. No exceptions. No wiggle room. Just: NO!

Course you would have to assume that people that read it understand what "PERIOD, END OF STORY" means. Not holding my breath on most of the people that ask this question constantly...and then wanting to start the 'But what about?' bullshit...being that intelligent.

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Seconded!

 

[sr71plt]

Seconded!

A sticky would be good, yes, but the problem is that no one reads the stickies before asking the questions on the forum. And they don't even read in on the forum before asking a question asked regularly.

 

[Handley_Page]

That would make a great sticky, Laurel. Short. Concise. Straight to the point. No vacillating. No negotiating. No exceptions. No wiggle room. Just: NO!

Course you would have to assume that people that read it understand what "PERIOD, END OF STORY" means. Not holding my breath on most of the people that ask this question constantly...and then wanting to start the 'But what about?' bullshit...being that intelligent.

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The "Welcome Authors, please read" thread, perhaps?
And maybe add a comment about bestiality ?

 

[SikFuk]

No...The person must be biologically 18 years of age or older. Period, end of story...

But... according to Ogg, if they act immature, the story still gets kicked back? I'm just asking, not arguing. In a brother/sister story I'm working on, they're 18 and 19, home schooled by religious extremists with no access TV or magazines (and it's pre-internet.) Because of their sheltered upbringing, they know nothing about sex. Is this going to get the story banned when they start "learning the hard way?" (Pun intended.)

 

[lovecraft68]

But... according to Ogg, if they act immature, the story still gets kicked back? I'm just asking, not arguing. In a brother/sister story I'm working on, they're 18 and 19, home schooled by religious extremists with no access TV or magazines (and it's pre-internet.) Because of their sheltered upbringing, they know nothing about sex. Is this going to get the story banned when they start "learning the hard way?" (Pun intended.)

I think because of your set up no. Not knowing about sex isn't going to flag it. Things like immature talk and wearing things like care bares night shirts....things like that where they are acting like children.,

 

[sr71plt]

But... according to Ogg, if they act immature, the story still gets kicked back? I'm just asking, not arguing. In a brother/sister story I'm working on, they're 18 and 19, home schooled by religious extremists with no access TV or magazines (and it's pre-internet.) Because of their sheltered upbringing, they know nothing about sex. Is this going to get the story banned when they start "learning the hard way?" (Pun intended.)

I'd say no, because they are, in fact, 18 and 19. Your whole premise you've built is that they are physically of age, which is the issue. The problem would be if you had them role play an earlier age, not that they are innocent to some aspects of an earlier age. Don't have them running around in pig tails and children's clothes, for instance.

 

[karaline]

A sticky would be good, yes, but the problem is that no one reads the stickies before asking the questions on the forum. And they don't even read in on the forum before asking a question asked regularly.

I must admit that I haven't read most of the sticky posts, but I have read the subject lines

 

[JKendallDane]

Ah, Hatecraft is now back to his old form after recovering from the beat down from his former buddies, the "best" writers on Literotica.

Jealousy is such an ugly trait.

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[Sammael Bard]

That would make a great sticky, Laurel. Short. Concise. Straight to the point. No vacillating. No negotiating. No exceptions. No wiggle room. Just: NO!

Course you would have to assume that people that read it understand what "PERIOD, END OF STORY" means. Not holding my breath on most of the people that ask this question constantly...and then wanting to start the 'But what about?' bullshit...being that intelligent.

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There's the AH_Library for such purposes. Unfortunately, the AH_Librarian is now AWOL and some topics (like these underage questions and debate) need to be updated.

Still not sure if people will stop asking questions regarding this, if ever.

 

[oggbashan]

But... according to Ogg, if they act immature, the story still gets kicked back? I'm just asking, not arguing. In a brother/sister story I'm working on, they're 18 and 19, home schooled by religious extremists with no access TV or magazines (and it's pre-internet.) Because of their sheltered upbringing, they know nothing about sex. Is this going to get the story banned when they start "learning the hard way?" (Pun intended.)

Immaturity has been used by some to try to get around the 18 and over rule, effectively writing a paedophilic story while claiming that the characters are 18.

The First Time category is a good place for adult characters learning about sex - if they are really adults.

If the characters are physically developed but unaware of sexual possibilities, I wouldn't see a problem.

The real problem is writers who are trying to wriggle around Literotica's rule.

Laurel's statement is clear:

The person must be biologically 18 years of age or older. Period, end of story.

But people do try to portray underage and/or underdeveloped characters as being 18 when any reasonable person would assume from the descriptions that they are well below that age.

 

[lovecraft68]

But people do try to portray underage and/or underdeveloped characters as being 18 when any reasonable person would assume from the descriptions that they are well below that age.

And what adds to that problem is a lot of readers are fine with it and won't report it. A lot of readers are fine with younger than eighteen and I'm sure envision them more like 16 even if the author is playing it straight, can't help perception sometimes.

For instance the First time category...I like the concept, but can only stomach so many spins on why attractive 18 year old men and women are still virgins so I think that is one people like lowering the age in their mind.

So when an author does that for them they are not going to complain. The underage is Laurel's rule, she is not speaking for the readers taste and they are rarely going to complain unless someone gets really carried away and writes about children.

 

[sr71plt]

Jealousy is such an ugly trait.

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You shouldn't run yourself down like this. We all can already see it in you.

 

[JKendallDane]

You shouldn't run yourself down like this. We all can already see it in you.

Here ya go pilot...

http://fscomps.fotosearch.com/compc/IGS/IGS511/is597-027.jpg

...perhaps this will help you with your reading comprehension problem.


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[sr71plt]

I'm not interested in your whiny little backbiting ass, Dwayne.