A peek into "universal" health care.

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A little snippet about what's going on in Sweden.

"When you can get it."

The article rambles on but there are a couple of facts that stand out even though they aren't discussed in any detail.

The first being that there's a shortage of doctors and nurses. That is neither surprising nor uncommon in those nations that practice "Universal" health care.

The second is the taxation rate, 50%.

Not surprisingly both are related. While we bitch about the cost of drugs and other paraphernalia the greatest cost in health care is the labor costs. Health care is at its core a personal service that one or more individuals render to another. That is where the greater amount of your monies are going.

The only way that medical costs can be contained is by limiting the income of the various providers. A doctor in Sweden makes the equivalent of $48,000/yr. A specialist may earn up to $90,000/yr. That is before taxes earnings, remember the 50% tax? Providers other than doctors obviously earn less. But returning to the doctors, who wants to spend upwards of 8 years of their life in higher education and internship to ultimately earn what will yield you a barely above poverty level income here in the states if you are a general practitioner? Is it any wonder that they have a shortage?

We in the US are facing a similar problem, different reasons but the same problem...a shortage of doctors and other providers. While our medical providers aren't government employees.......yet.............the regulations placed on them are a rough equivalent. And the costs for the fulfillment of those regulations is coming right out of your pocket. Any one else noticed how many of your GP practitioners in private practice are now foreign borne and trained? No, I'm not implying that they're incompetent, merely that fewer and fewer native borne are entering the medical field as doctors. And they are neither interested in, or can afford, to set up shop in Sheldon IA., or Crescent Junction UT.

Somebody better start thinking outside the box.
 
Maybe if (medical) schools were more affordable more native born Americans would pursue that career. Who wants to start a career a few hundred thousand in debt?
 
I see a few doctors to monitor me for complications post cancer op. One is retiring. He was one of the few in the area that was any good. It's getting harder and harder to find a doctor that hasn't moved to the Big City that is worth a crap. Medical care in the US is on the cusp of taking a drastic nose dive, between Hospitals closing their doors and states not paying their bills. But by God, they are going to save us from opioids.
 
I love the way Americans never add in the cost of their healthcare when calculating their income tax rates.
 
The OP is on Medicare. FFS, you just can't make up this level of hypocrisy.


...and I don't begrudge him his government provided health care. The majority of Americans receive health care via a government program (myself included). Let's drop the pretense and make it 100%. Doing so would make US companies more competitive on the global market.
 
The majority of Americans?
Do you have a source for that?

Actually between Medicare and Medicaid he may not be that far off. "ShuckNJiveCare" greatly expanded Medicaid in those states that bought into the program.

And for the record I haven't taken advantage of any Medicare programs.
 
The first being that there's a shortage of doctors and nurses. That is neither surprising nor uncommon in those nations that practice "Universal" health care.

The second is the taxation rate, 50%.


The only way that medical costs can be contained is by limiting the income of the various providers. A doctor in Sweden makes the equivalent of $48,000/yr. A specialist may earn up to $90,000/yr. That is before taxes earnings, remember the 50% tax? Providers other than doctors obviously earn less. But returning to the doctors, who wants to spend upwards of 8 years of their life in higher education and internship to ultimately earn what will yield you a barely above poverty level income here in the states if you are a general practitioner? Is it any wonder that they have a shortage?

We in the US are facing a similar problem, different reasons but the same problem...a shortage of doctors and other providers. While our medical providers aren't government employees.......yet.............the regulations placed on them are a rough equivalent. And the costs for the fulfillment of those regulations is coming right out of your pocket. Any one else noticed how many of your GP practitioners in private practice are now foreign borne and trained? No, I'm not implying that they're incompetent, merely that fewer and fewer native borne are entering the medical field as doctors. And they are neither interested in, or can afford, to set up shop in Sheldon IA., or Crescent Junction UT.

Somebody better start thinking outside the box.
They ARE thinking outside the box.

Been to a Walgreen's drug store lately? Many of them have brand new care clinics. No doctors or nurses, they have physician's assistants and nurse practitioners dealing with the routine effluvia of patient care (cuts, colds, fevers, etc).

There is less need than ever for a general practitioner. PAs and NPs are
redefining the market. You are correct, many of the standalone GP practices ARE staffed by foreign-born doctors. American doctors tend to specialize if they can.

There is no need for rationed health care. The market is dealing with a state of flux right now, as aging needy boomers such as yourself demand instant health care, care that you'd happily deny #ThosePeople doing without.

Overall, one of your more ignorant posts.
 
I guess I don't pay that much attention or live in the wrong part of the country, because I just don't know that many people who are relying on the government for their medical care.
 
I only see four people in this thread. Dixon was right; ignore makes this a much more pleasant place to post.
 
I guess I don't pay that much attention or live in the wrong part of the country, because I just don't know that many people who are relying on the government for their medical care.

Close to 60% of the births here in NM are under Medicaid. That's high compared to national avg.s but it is an indication.
 
A quick google of the major programs I could think of off the top of my head:

Medicare = 44M
Medicaid = 67M
CHIP = 6.5M
VA = 9M
Current government employees = 22M
Retired government employees = 2M
Tricare (retired military) = 9.5M


Total = 160M

Total population - 325M

Ok... Slightly less than the majority
 
We're on the low end of the scale, but the number is still too high.
Like Idiocracy it seems that the poor are working to breed out the non-poor.

;)
 
Those who can’t stand the heat should just...

:rolleyes:
 
A quick google of the major programs I could think of off the top of my head:

Medicare = 44M
Medicaid = 67M
CHIP = 6.5M
VA = 9M
Current government employees = 22M
Retired government employees = 2M
Tricare (retired military) = 9.5M


Total = 160M

Total population - 325M

Ok... Slightly less than the majority

Current and retired government employee's really shouldn't be on your list. The are buying insurance just like the rest of the working population. That being said you're still closer to being right than wrong.
 
Some of those numbers are overlapping, but still too high.
It's a superb argument for areas of our government that could be scaled back to help with that deficit everyone is so concerned about when the other party is in power...
 
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