A note about trolls.

LukkyKnight

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Do you think about your responses to them?

After spending any significant length of time in any net-place where people can "contribute" more-or-less anonymously one sees a number of patterns, most of which have been identified and discussed here already. There are those seeking attention, those needing to lash out at one individual, some who feel the only way to feel good about themselves is to put others down, etc., and their common attribute is a desire to engage.

Sounds like a very childish approach when paired with their presumed anonymity, doesn't it? When children throw tantrums for attention, or say hurtful things to their siblings or parents, the effective parent will seek to educate not engage. It's often hard to get their attention, of course, and with practice children and trolls learn what works to draw others in and control the rules of engagement, but: if their behaviors fail to attain their goals then soon enough they abandon that technique. In some cases they mature, in other cases they try some other tactic.

If a troll can learn and mature, that's marvelous. When what they seek is attention it should only be granted in response to productive, constructive posts. If what they need is to be educated (new trolls can be confused and ignorant, though they are the minority of the posts) then guidance about acceptable styles of interaction is indicated, but still not engaging them "on their level." This virtual-place is a function of all who visit, and I submit that if you react to trolls as you might to a 3-year-old it will be better for everybody concerned. Put 'em in a time-out, ignore 'em, whatever works best for you. Ultimately they will tire of it, though sadly some new troll will doubtless happen along.

I presume this has been pointed out before, but it felt like a good time to inject my perspective on the strategy and/or tactics of an effective debate with cowardly, puerile individuals.
 
I never

respond to them. There's no point in it. I often wonder why people do.
 
Re: I never

TN_Vixen said:
respond to them. There's no point in it. I often wonder why people do.
Vixen, many respond because they are highly expressive, verbal, somewhat competitive people who are accustomed to dealing with adults, or near-adults, and believe they can "win" if they engage in an argument. If it were a simple, honest, real debate that might be so in many of the cases, but in the case of the vast majority of anonymous attacks one loses if and when one engages on the troll's terms. Failing to see the big picture one can be drawn into an unfortunate, mistaken "counter-attack" which is generally doomed to fail by its very nature.

Many of these replies come from intelligent, articulate people - that's why I thought it time to raise the issue of intent. The fraction of trolls who can be redeemed by genuine, adult responses is small. The model of a parent dealing with a stubborn, creative, yet recalcitrant child seems instructive.
 
Sometimes it is nice to say to the troll what i would really prefer to say to my brother.
Or ex.
This way is much more peaceful, don't ya agree?
 
LukkyKnight said:
Do you think about your responses to them?

I appreciate your comments Lukky, and I think they're timely, especially to fledglings like myself.
Taking into account all you've said, I'll be better able to recognise them, I already apologized to one, unknowingly. Thanks for your tips :)
 
I think that everyone who responds thinks about what they will say first to a troll, mainly because they don't want to sound as stupid as the troll already does.
 
I agree

lobito, I agree. What I'm trying to shed light on is not what we may say in reply so much as what it is the troll is trying to accomplish. Responding to them as though what's there on the screen is in fact the troll's whole agenda can often lead to an imbalanced dialog wherein the troll, for instance, may only be after reactions regardless of content. Trying to converse as adults when the anonymous adversary is employing the tactics of children tends to serve only the troll's goals - IMHO.
 
Lobito, if you think about what you are posting to a troll, you take all the fun out of it.

They WANT you spending time and effort on them

I, on the other hand, try to think of them the way I think of toilet paper--handy to have around when you feel the desire, but better ignored at other times.
 
NOW, I'm scared...

P.S. Trolls suck! (just to stay somewhat in topic)
 
I just had a thought.

How come no trolls are playing here in this thread?
 
did ya ever think that maybe there are, but they're just to busy to post as a troll now?
 
Hello there, by way of introduction....

As a regular poster, I ignore trolls and flaming. I was flamed for the first time last weekend and became rather angry.


And then, it dawned upon me that a nice troll could be refreshing. So, hello to everyone! You have just been trolled by a troll who will never flame, will never say a negative word and who's only mission is to have a bit of nice fun.

Would anyone care to join me in a chorus of the Barney theme song?

"I love you. You love me.
We're a happy family ...."
 
Re: Hello there, by way of introduction....

nice lil troll said:


Would anyone care to join me in a chorus of the Barney theme song?

"I love you. You love me.
We're a happy family ...."

Please be mean but dont sing that song. ;)
 
lobito said:
did ya ever think that maybe there are, but they're just to busy to post as a troll now?

Upon rereadng while being a bit more coherent, I am under the impression that there is an insult in the above quoted bit. Hhhhmmmm....
 
Well, I usually respond to trolls. I like chewing them up and spitting them out. I rarely respond to my own trolls, however. Beneath my dignity.

I'm sure I contribute a lot to KR and Yoyotwat continuing to feel validated enough to post here, but they're just so much fun to play with.

However, I also recognize the fact that I troll as well.
 
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