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NASCAR and Perspective

I think this puts things in perspective as to where our priorities really are as a nation.

On February 18, 2001, while racing for fame and fortune, Dale Earnhardt died in the last lap of the Daytona 500.   It was surely a tragedy for his family, friends and fans.   He was 49 years old with grown children, one, which was in the race.  

I am new to the NASCAR culture so much of what I know has come from the newspaper and TV.   He was a winner and earned everything he had.   This included more than "$41 million in winnings and ten times that from endorsements and souvenir sales". 

He had a beautiful home and a private jet.   He drove the most sophisticated cars allowed and every part was inspected and replaced as soon as there was any evidence of wear.   This is normally fully funded by the car and team sponsors.   Today, there is no TV station that does not constantly remind us of his tragic end and the radio already has a song of tribute to this winning driver.  

Nothing should be taken away from this man, he was a professional and the best in his profession.   He was in a very dangerous business but the rewards were great.

On February 12, 2001 seven US Army soldiers died in a training accident when two UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters collided during night maneuvers in Hawaii.  

The soldiers were all in their twenties, pilots, crewchiefs and infantrymen.   Most of them lived in substandard housing.   If you add their actual duty hours (in the field, deployed) they probably earn something close to minimum wage.   The aircraft they were in were between 15 and 20 years old.  

Many times parts were not available to keep them in good shape due to funding.   They were involved in the extremely dangerous business of flying in the Kuhuku Mountains at night.   It only gets worse when the weather moves in as it did that night.  

Most times no one is there with a yellow or red flag to slow things down when it gets critical.   Their children where mostly toddlers who will lose all memory of who "Daddy" was as they grow up.   They died training to defend our freedom.

I take nothing away from Dale Earnhardt but ask you to perform this simple test.   Ask any of your friends if they know who was the NASCAR driver killed on February 18, 2001.   Then ask them if they can name one of the seven soldiers who died in Hawaii on February 12, 2001.

February 18, 2001, Dale Earnhardt died driving for fame and glory at the Daytona 500.   The nation mourns.   Seven soldiers died training to protect our freedom.   No one can remember their names and most don't even remember the incident.
 
Casual Observer said:
NASCAR and Perspective

February 18, 2001, Dale Earnhardt died driving for fame and glory at the Daytona 500.   The nation mourns.   Seven soldiers died training to protect our freedom.   No one can remember their names and most don't even remember the incident.
Actually it was more like Hundreds of thousands if not Millions died to protct our freedom.. and you just want us to remember 7?? why not remember them all!!! and not just the few that you know... that is not right either..

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How is this different than when any other celebrity dies? Their name is known PREVIOUSLY to the general public BEFORE they died. They aren't famous just because of the fact that they did die, like the helicopter guys. See the difference?
 
I had a long paragraph about media dictating celebrity, but I bagged it because the basic premise is: Life is unfair. Deal with it.

Do I think that Dale Earnhardt is intrinsically more valuable as a human being than the seven soldiers? No.

Do I think they were more valuable as human beings because they were overworked, underpaid and undervalued? No.

Can I mourn every single person who dies in this world? No.

This is a nonargument anyway, and I'm not in a good mood.
 
god damn. this is a rough crowd.

Casual wasn't trying to take anything away from Dale Earnhardt:

Casual Observer said:
NASCAR and Perspective

Nothing should be taken away from this man, he was a professional and the best in his profession.   He was in a very dangerous business but the rewards were great.



And I don't think he/she was trying to get us to just think about the seven soldiers in the helicopter crash. I think those seven soldiers represent everyone who has served and sacrificed.

This nation is obsessed with hero worship. The problem is that the people we worship aren't really heroes. They're celebrities. The real heroes died in that helicopter.
 
Re: god damn. this is a rough crowd.

Problem Child said:
This nation is obsessed with hero worship. The problem is that the people we worship aren't really heroes. They're celebrities. The real heroes died in that helicopter.
Exactly. And we'll never know or remember the helecopter guys' names now or in the future because we didn't know them BEFORE they died. They weren't celebrities first. Earnhardt was.

I took the start of this thread exactly the same way Creamylady did. "Look how awful it is that Earnhardt gets all the glory for dying when the real heros get none."
Life isn't fair. Deal with it.
 
Very odd

Casual Observer... Strange that you would post this... Was this YOUR original observation, becasue it seems to me I got this same speech you started this thread with in an email a few days ago.... that is my casual observation.
 
Now that you mention it, I think I saw it earlier this week, too.
 
Cheyenne said:

Exactly. And we'll never know or remember the helecopter guys' names now or in the future because we didn't know them BEFORE they died. They weren't celebrities first. Earnhardt was.


Thank you Problem Child that was my point.

Nobody Special ~ Sadly I did not know their names when asked either, that was the point of the post.

As for being famous or not before they died, think about this:
Mother Teresa a true hero and more well known than Earnhart, died with MUCH less fan fair.
 
Kasha said:
Casual Observer... Strange that you would post this... Was this YOUR original observation, becasue it seems to me I got this same speech you started this thread with in an email a few days ago.... that is my casual observation.

Nope not mine, never said it was, just thought it was interesting.
 
In a very subtle way, Casual Observer was telling us how shallow we all are by contrasting the death of a celebrity with the deaths of unknown men who, by virtue of their jobs, are presumably of more value to society than a sports figure.

It is impossible to objectively mourn everyone. The death of a celebrity will, of necessity, touch the minds of more people than the death of an anonymous soldier. Touching hearts and souls, however, is a different matter, and the underlying assumption that we are callous to the fate of the soldiers is incorrect.

So, while not diminishing Dale Earnhardt, Casual Observer was diminishing US. Excuse me for resenting that.
 
Casual Observer said:
As for being famous or not before they died, think about this:
Mother Teresa a true hero and more well known than Earnhart, died with MUCH less fan fair.

Think a little harder, your memory is fading. Mother Teresa had people from all over the world attend. There was plenty of fan fair. Earnhardt's funeral was actually private, away from the limelight. Now, if you want fan fair, take a look at Princess Diana's parade and party. THAT was fan fair! She was a celebrity, afterall.
 
Look, Casual Observer, i am new to this board but something I have noticed... whenever someone posts something that isn't their original thought.. they usually say so. i am sorry and don't want to come off as a bitch BUT it seems to in my own opinion that you were pulling this whole thing off like it was your own thought....and i don't think that is cool. I could be wrong, that is very possible. by the way, people die everyday. It is sad and awful and every death effects someone, it just can't effect everyone. that is sad to say but unless you are rich and famous, you aren't gonna be remembered by anyone except your own little circle of family and friends.....
 
Casual Observer said:
If you add their actual duty hours (in the field, deployed) they probably earn something close to minimum wage.

Less, actually.
 
I think CreamyLady pretty much sums it up. Not to take away from anyone, I think that had a whole plane crashed killing hundred of people and Michael Jordan died on the same day, who do you think will get the most press. Like everyone else, the media is in the business to make money so of course they will air or print more things about the person that most people know about. It's a sad reality but it's life.
 
CreamyLady said:


So, while not diminishing Dale Earnhardt, Casual Observer was diminishing US. Excuse me for resenting that.

No that was not the intent at all but if you feel that way and with the harshness of all three of your responses perhaps it is just a little bit of guilt on your part.
 
Well stated, Casual Observer.

Your point to starting this thread seems to have hit a senstive spot with some people. Very interesting.
 
I took it as an attack "on the nation" as the opening post said, I didn't take it personally. I'm sure Creamylady did the same.
There have been enough threads in the past bashing America (Good morning, Flagg). If we're going to be bashed, it should be for something that is true and important.
 
Cheyenne said:
I took it as an attack "on the nation" as the opening post said, I didn't take it personally. I'm sure Creamylady did the same.
There have been enough threads in the past bashing America (Good morning, Flagg). If we're going to be bashed, it should be for something that is true and important.

I think it was VERY important. I am sorry if you feel soilders that lost their lives training to protect the freedoms you love so much is not important.

Please stop trying to deminish the message because of a poorly worded thread title.
 
Casual Observer said:

I think it was VERY important. I am sorry if you feel soilders that lost their lives training to protect the freedoms you love so much is not important.

Please stop trying to deminish the message because of a poorly worded thread title.
You need to stop trying to twist our words. It won't work. No one has said that soldiers dying is not important. Read again what CreamyLady first said:

"In a very subtle way, Casual Observer was telling us how shallow we all are by contrasting the death of a celebrity with the deaths of unknown men who, by virtue of their jobs, are presumably of more value to society than a sports figure.

It is impossible to objectively mourn everyone. The death of a celebrity will, of necessity, touch the minds of more people than the death of an anonymous soldier. Touching hearts and souls, however, is a different matter, and the underlying assumption that we are callous to the fate of the soldiers is incorrect.

So, while not diminishing Dale Earnhardt, Casual Observer was diminishing US. Excuse me for resenting that."

I think you are a little less subtle than Creamylady gives you credit for, especially after your feeble attempt at twisting my words. You focused on the word "important" in my post and not the whole phrase "true and important." Your assumption is not true in the first place, so the work "important" never enters the picture.

[Edited by Cheyenne on 02-26-2001 at 06:48 AM]
 
Casual Observer.....I agree with your perspective on this issue.

:p
 
I stand with Siren on this issue.

It seems as if a lot of this is about "conditioning" though... could happen in any country if a culture so allows.
 
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