A Nation Of Eunuchs & Poseurs.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/o...l=1&adxnnlx=1277647640-9yb17FB4rE9aUlHTucBzBA
WHO DO YOU THINK YOURE FOOLIN'

 

[amicus]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/o...l=1&adxnnlx=1277647640-9yb17FB4rE9aUlHTucBzBA
WHO DO YOU THINK YOURE FOOLIN'

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I failed to note the author at the beginning...but the depth and sophistication of the piece drew me on to the conclusion and

..."Camille Paglia, a professor of humanities and media studies at the University of the Arts, is the author of “Sexual Personae.”

Thank you James, a most interesting piece...to which I venture to add:

During the 1950's little girls discovered they had a sexual organ aside and apart from the vagina and like their male counterparts, enjoyed playing with it.

Usually, (he said tentatively), young people as they mature, begin to realize that there are other important things in life than sex. Women for two generations now, are still engaged in self pleasuring themselves and thinking it is the end all, be all of life.

Wrong.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

America seems to increase its legions of sissies every year. In one respect women like it, but sissies arent what they want. What they want is the tension that comes from theyre ambivalent about...masculine men.

 

[amicus]

From the article:

In the discreet white-collar realm, men and women are interchangeable, doing the same, mind-based work. Physicality is suppressed; voices are lowered and gestures curtailed in sanitized office space. Men must neuter themselves, while ambitious women postpone procreation. Androgyny is bewitching in art, but in real life it can lead to stagnation and boredom, which no pill can cure.

Meanwhile, family life has put middle-class men in a bind; they are simply cogs in a domestic machine commanded by women. Contemporary moms have become virtuoso super-managers of a complex operation focused on the care and transport of children. But it’s not so easy to snap over from Apollonian control to Dionysian delirium.

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I have a question, which I present to one and all...in view of the above, which I accept as a valid and accurate description of 'white collar' labor...if indeed, the evolution of western post industrial societies includes the neutering of sexxuality in the workplace as a natural progression of events...

...then what does the future hold for society in general?

Paglia also uses the word, 'androgynous' in her piece....

Main Entry: an·drog·y·nous
Pronunciation: \an-ˈdrä-jə-nəs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin androgynus hermaphrodite, from Greek androgynos, from andr- + gynē woman — more at queen
Date: 1651

1 : having the characteristics or nature of both male and female
2 a : neither specifically feminine nor masculine <the androgynous pronoun them> b : suitable to or for either sex <androgynous clothing>
3 : having traditional male and female roles obscured or reversed <an androgynous marriage>

There are many science fiction themes dealing with this, one I often mention is, "Logan's Run", as future looking writers addressed the issues before they actually arrived on scene.

Will this evolution of androgynous behavior continue in the market place? Will it change? How? In what direction? A return to the past or an as yet undiscovered far horizon?

Curious, eh?

 

[jomar]

But to what extent do these complaints about sexual apathy reflect a medical reality, and how much do they actually emanate from the anxious, overachieving, white upper middle class?

The need emanates from the pharmaceutical companies.

AMICUS

America seems to increase its legions of sissies every year. In one respect women like it, but sissies arent what they want. What they want is the tension that comes from theyre ambivalent about...masculine men.

If this is true, according to the article country music will get you laid faster and more often than rock and roll.

 

[amicus]

The need emanates from the pharmaceutical companies.



If this is true, according to the article country music will get you laid faster and more often than rock and roll.

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Izzat just a dig at the specific industry or industry in general? Cosmetics, fashion, the entire spectrum of female based demands are just that are they not, demands, which the market supplies?

Or are you still back in the 50's and 'The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit?"

ah, well...one can hope for more intelligent offerings...

amicus

 

[jomar]

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Izzat just a dig at the specific industry or industry in general? Cosmetics, fashion, the entire spectrum of female based demands are just that are they not, demands, which the market supplies?

Or are you still back in the 50's and 'The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit?"

ah, well...one can hope for more intelligent offerings...

amicus

You toss the bait, my friend.

 

[amicus]

You toss the bait, my friend.[/QUOTE]

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I usually do, my friend, but JBJ, with a little help from Camille Paglia is sufficient in this case, a thoughtful piece, you should maybe read it?



ami

 

[colddiesel]

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Thank you James, a most interesting piece...to which I venture to add:

During the 1950's little girls discovered they had a sexual organ aside and apart from the vagina and like their male counterparts, enjoyed playing with it.

Usually, (he said tentatively), young people as they mature, begin to realize that there are other important things in life than sex. Women for two generations now, are still engaged in self pleasuring themselves and thinking it is the end all, be all of life.

Amicus

Amicus, yet again your total and absolutely consuming fear of women is evident.

You are inacapable of ralating to women unless you first infantalise them and then romanticise that as an idealised image.

The kindest conclusion of my observations is that someone who can only appreciate the feminine through this disturbing process is in need of medical treatment.

 

[amicus]

Amicus, yet again your total and absolutely consuming fear of women is evident.

You are inacapable of ralating to women unless you first infantalise them and then romanticise that as an idealised image.

The kindest conclusion of my observations is that someone who can only appreciate the feminine through this disturbing process is in need of medical treatment.[/QUOTE]

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Ahhh...the female, from Eve to Sappho, the Sirens and Helen of Troy and on and on...there is mostly likely one to suit the needs of everyman as they are, by nature, pliable and malleable and will survive regardless.

But you, Colddiesel, have the ultimate answer as to the nature of the beast, pray tell, enlighten we poor mortal men...you should write a book!

Amicus

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I'm a big admirer of Paglia and a big advocate of the inherent biological differences between males and females (which is not the same as believing that men and women should be dealt with differently under the law, or denied equal opportunity), but here she makes a big mistake, equating sexual tension with sexual desire.

If anything's been lost in the last 50 years or so, it's the sexual tension that used to exist between men and women, a tension composed in large part of ignorance and taboo. Much of what we think of as romance--what Paglia seems to mourn as lost--was no more than men and women trying to communicate sexual and amorous desire without violating conventions of social propriety. Male gallantry and female flirtatiousness--all that moonlight and roses stuff--were not so much signs of a superior appreciation and enjoyment of sex back then, as they were examples of people expressing themselves in the only language that was socially allowed.

In reality, I don't think anyone doubts that both women and men are more sexually active now, and have a more open, liberal, and appreciative attitude towards sex than at any time going back at least to Victorian times. So women no longer pine after the likes of John Wayne and Gary Cooper. John Wayne and Gary Cooper were no doubt lousy lovers, both of them. I don't think you'll find many modern men longing for Betty Grable and Lana turner either.

Back in Victorian times, female expectations set the norm for acceptable sexual behavior. Male desire was considered socially deviant and downright pathological, and men were expected to control themselves and deny their primitive animal feelings. The ideal female, it was thought, put up with sex for the sake of procreation and her husband's sanity, but certainly never enjoyed it or found any sort of satisfaction in it.

Now the tables are turned and we find male expectations are taken as the norm, and women are expected to behave sexually like men, wanting sex and sexual pleasure every bit as much as men do, and with the same ease and social facility. If a woman doesn't want this, then she must be deviant or even pathological, and she needs a pill to bring her up to the norm.