A more bleak non-con story

[Macarena_boy]

Every non-consensual story I've read so far has been super same, where the girl starts to enjoy half-way through. Some others have been long-ass fantasy novels about some slave girl that takes fucking ages for any sex scene to happen (to be fair, I do like build up when it's done right). But when the sex does happen, it soon forgets it's an erotica and gets intertwined into subplots I don't care about. Seen that happen more than once

I want one where the girl is truly used and humiliated and she truly hates and fears her captor/blackmailer. One where she doesn't start to enjoy unless it's, like, chapter 20, after being used and abused enough times. The only condition is: it has to be a monogamous story (meaning only one male. No DP's or gangbangs or letting someone else "borrow" the girl. That's just cuckolding for me, which is a huge turn off)

Any recs? Can be from off-site.

 

[AwkwardMD]

A feature, not a bug

Literotica has a (variably enforced) rule that dictates that the woman has to have some degree of enjoyment from being raped. It's not a great rule, because liking being raped is a whole other hornets nest, but it does help limit the glorification of sexual violence.

As someone who probably doesn't have to worry about sexual violence happening to them, I suspect you don't know what it's like to be afraid of that or understand how dangerous it is to encourage pornographic violence.

 

[AwkwardMD]

If you're so desensitized that even remotely sane human interactions won't do, try the dark web. I'm sure there's enough snuff porn there to light up your synapses.

 

[KeithD]

Every non-consensual story I've read so far has been super same, where the girl starts to enjoy half-way through.

The nonjudgmental response to this is simply that this is a formula Literotica requires for such a story to be posted here. The act has to ultimately be depicted as having been enjoyed.

 

[KimGordon67]

The nonjudgmental response to this is simply that this is a formula Literotica requires for such a story to be posted here. The act has to ultimately be depicted as having been enjoyed.

An equally non-judgemental response would be 'Lit doesn't publish rape stories' - it's not really about using a formula to get around a rule, and more that rape simply isn't condoned. And rightly so.

Although I am pretty down with the judgemental response.

 

[KeithD]

An equally non-judgemental response would be 'Lit doesn't publish rape stories' - it's not really about using a formula to get around a rule, and more that rape simply isn't condoned. And rightly so.

Although I am pretty down with the judgemental response.

As is frequently pointed out, Literotica DOES publish some rape stories, so my response is the correct one, I think. Yours became judgmental before you finished.

 

[KimGordon67]

As is frequently pointed out, Literotica DOES publish some rape stories, so my response is the correct one, I think. Yours became judgmental before you finished.

Probably because I am judgemental about publishing (and seeking out) rape stories.

 

[KeithD]

Probably because I am judgemental about publishing (and seeking out) rape stories.

Which is why you tried to correct a nonjudgmental version of a response by one you characterized (incorrectly) as equally nonjudgmental? Yes, I see.

 

[Macarena_boy]

Probably because I am judgemental about publishing (and seeking out) rape stories.

You'd make a great rape story character.

 

[lovecraft68]

The answer for site purposes is they want the-yes kind of ludicrous-scenario where the victim comes around...in other words, they want dubious consent not non consent.

The site could make this easier by changing the category name to that, or something else.

But variably enforced is a good way to put it. There are rape stories on here. Check the all time favorite story list and you'll find a few right there cleverly disguised under misleading titles like "Raping Chay"

Personally I'm not a fan of rape stories, I've made that clear over the years, but unlike someone else here I'm not shaming the kink, but will say this isn't the place to openly discuss it because site toadies and the self righteous will claim lit doesn't want them and act offended to look good for the site while perhaps lashing out due to their own fantasies they're not comfortable with.

My issue is not about the kink itself as I don't believe in censorship or policing what people read, write or fantasize about, my issue has always been the site and its bootlicking defenders acting like they don't carry this material.

If they enforced their rules-or dropped the fraudulent air of having any-we would never see these types of threads. When you have a section called non consent, people expect actual non consent stories.

Its like people who read group sex stories expecting threesomes.

Some people are just crazy I guess.

 

[KimGordon67]

The answer for site purposes is they want the-yes kind of ludicrous-scenario where the victim comes around...in other words, they want dubious consent not non consent.

The site could make this easier by changing the category name to that, or something else.

But variably enforced is a good way to put it. There are rape stories on here. Check the all time favorite story list and you'll find a few right there cleverly disguised under misleading titles like "Raping Chay"

Personally I'm not a fan of rape stories, I've made that clear over the years, but unlike someone else here I'm not shaming the kink, but will say this isn't the place to openly discuss it because site toadies and the self righteous will claim lit doesn't want them and act offended to look good for the site while perhaps lashing out due to their own fantasies they're not comfortable with.

My issue is not about the kink itself as I don't believe in censorship or policing what people read, write or fantasize about, my issue has always been the site and its bootlicking defenders acting like they don't carry this material.

If they enforced their rules-or dropped the fraudulent air of having any-we would never see these types of threads. When you have a section called non consent, people expect actual non consent stories.

Its like people who read group sex stories expecting threesomes.

Some people are just crazy I guess.

Rape is a 'kink'??? Good grief.

 

[KimGordon67]

You'd make a great rape story character.

Oh - the point of this thread is to see if you can get yourself banned. Righto.

 

[lovecraft68]

Probably because I am judgemental about publishing (and seeking out) rape stories.

Then if you feel that strongly perhaps you should no longer be here, because they're everywhere and always have been, and always will be. I'm no fan of them so I stay out of that section, but under no circumstance am I naïve enough-or self deluded enough-to think they're not here and not allowed.

Look up one of the top stories of all time here "Hunted" the author says what it is right in his disclaimer. I mentioned "Raping Chay" in my prior post...the word is in the title FFS.

Whatever your feelings are, you have the right to them, but people need to get off their cross when acting appalled when someone looks for that material. People don't do that on LS...why? Because when they say no rape stories, they mean it and you won't find any....they don't have a non consent category...imagine that?

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Oh - the point of this thread is to see if you can get yourself banned. Righto.

Yeah, yikes. I reported it, too.

 

[donaldelliott11]

1) The Literotica site can make any rules it wants. If I don't like it, too bad.
2) I like porn to make me stiff and I have no problem with written expression of fantasies that are now frowned upon in polite society. In my Vintage Adult collection no one asks anyone's age and consent is never sought. Funny how mainstream pornography got all prim and proper.

 

[AwkwardMD]

It's funny (read: entirely predictable) how the conversation continues to break down along "is being raped a concern for me?" lines.

By all means, though, continue to defend the guy who actively suggested one of us be raped for his amusement.

 

[KeithD]

Rape is a 'kink'??? Good grief.

Rape stories are, yes. This is an adult site. Adults should be able to separate fantasy from reality.

Also, it's the site that determines what can be posted here--not you. If there are types of stories accepted here that you don't find acceptable (there are some I don't find acceptable), you have two legitimate options, both requiring you to be an adult: skip over them or reject the site and go do your writing/reading elsewhere.

 

[Macarena_boy]

It's funny (read: entirely predictable) how the conversation continues to break down along "is being raped a concern for me?" lines.

By all means, though, continue to defend the guy who actively suggested one of us be raped for his amusement.

I never said that. It's kinda funny how politically correct you are when it comes to 100% fictional written porn. Erotica authors used to be (and still are) persecuted by people who thought they were morally superior, and now you are joining their ranks. Shameful. Had you been born in ancient Greece, I bet you be the ones who called for Socrates to be executed. Had you been born in nazi Germany, I bet you'd be one of the first ones to burn books. After all, you view yourself so morally superior to the rest of us.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I never said that. It's kinda funny how politically correct you are when it comes to 100% fictional written porn. Erotica authors used to be (and still are) persecuted by people who thought they were morally superior, and now you are joining their ranks. Shameful. Had you been born in ancient Greece, I bet you be the ones who called for Socrates to be executed. Had you been born in nazi Germany, I bet you'd be one of the first ones to burn books. After all, you view yourself so morally superior to the rest of us.

Everyone sure wants to think that. I bet its convenient to think of me as some tight-ass school marm who thought the Hayes Code was a good idea, and harder if/when you realize that I'm not and that I have a point.

Better not look into what I actually think/say/do. Easier that way.

 

[KimGordon67]

Yeah, yikes. I reported it, too.

Actually, I didn't report it, but I figured someone would. Thanks.

(Also, he kind of totally confirmed why someone would find guys seeking out 'real' rape stories pretty creepy.)

 

[KimGordon67]

I never said that. It's kinda funny how politically correct you are when it comes to 100% fictional written porn. Erotica authors used to be (and still are) persecuted by people who thought they were morally superior, and now you are joining their ranks. Shameful. Had you been born in ancient Greece, I bet you be the ones who called for Socrates to be executed. Had you been born in nazi Germany, I bet you'd be one of the first ones to burn books. After all, you view yourself so morally superior to the rest of us.

... and now you Godwinned your own thread. Nice work dude.

 

[KimGordon67]

Rape stories are, yes. This is an adult site. Adults should be able to separate fantasy from reality.

Also, it's the site that determines what can be posted here--not you. If there are types of stories accepted here that you don't find acceptable (there are some I don't find acceptable), you have two legitimate options, both requiring you to be an adult: skip over them or reject the site and go do your writing/reading elsewhere.

Or we could engage in sensible discussions that hopefully will result in women continue to feeling safe on Lit, and maybe actively discourage guys who say things that amount to 'you should be raped' - in fact the last point would be a good way of demonstrating that the stories are only 'fantasy', and that of course you wouldn't condone 'real' threats.

The fact that you have the 'right' to write/read these stories doesn't mean you *should* ... unless you don't really care about the fact that they make women feel pretty crap.

 

[KimGordon67]

"You'd make a great rape character" is not the same as "You should be raped."

When you change the meaning of his words, it proves your hysteria over the non-consent category and then it becomes difficult to take your points of view seriously.

It's pretty close, and clearly he was just using the trope of 'non-con stories' on which the entire thread is based.
Personally, I don't really care what he said - some random dude sitting in his mum's basement a thousand miles away from me doesn't really concern me. But there's plenty of women for whom such a statement would have a huge and extremely negative affect (effect?). People should be a bit more aware of that when they throw around 'jokes' about rape.

And by all means, call women who find the promotion of rape stories 'hysterical'. We're pretty used to that sort of thing.

 

[KeithD]

It's pretty close,

No it isn't. It highlights your inability/unwillingness to separate fantasy fiction from real life. It's evidence that you probably should start up your own Web site and go there. You don't understand what this one is and you seem determined to express ownership rights you don't have here.

 

[KimGordon67]

You have intentionally misrepresented my statement. I said "your hysteria" and never did I generalize you with all women. Women, and men - people - who can separate fantasy from reality are not hysterical.

FFS. You really are super-pedantic. I haven't 'intentionally misrepresented' anything. There's a pretty long history of calling women (and I am a woman) who take a position like the one I'm taking here 'hysterical'. In fact, there's just a pretty long history of calling women (and again, I am a woman) 'hysterical' in general. You are calling a woman hysterical because of a particular perspective she's taking around rape stories.

I'm perfectly capable of separating fantasy from reality. I just don't happen to think that rape is a 'fantasy' we need to give space too. It's not like there isn't a million other things people could write/read about. Would the world really be a poorer place if there were no rape stories? Probably not.