A metaphor

[rgraham666]

I dreamed up years ago.

I was cogitating on the difference between the Mac and Windows world.

Eventually, I likened the Windows world to the Roman Catholic Church. It controls most of the relevant religion. It is vast, monolithic, ubiquitous. The central tenet is that the individual cannot have a relationship with God (the computer). The individual has a relationship with the priesthood (Tech support, help desks, technicians) and the priesthood has the relationship with God.

Macs are like the Protestant religion. The relationship is between the individual and God. The priesthood is just there to help.



Done.

Flame, threadjack, flirt, whatever.

 

[Guest]

I dreamed up years ago.

I was cogitating on the difference between the Mac and Windows world.

Eventually, I likened the Windows world to the Roman Catholic Church. It controls most of the relevant religion. It is vast, monolithic, ubiquitous. The central tenet is that the individual cannot have a relationship with God (the computer). The individual has a relationship with the priesthood (Tech support, help desks, technicians) and the priesthood has the relationship with God.

Macs are like the Protestant religion. The relationship is between the individual and God. The priesthood is just there to help.



Done.

Flame, threadjack, flirt, whatever.

No flame, no anything. Just the complete opposite of my experience. I don't like Macs, they don't like me, but they obviously suit some people, thus I'm glad they exist. Still don't want one, but there are a lot of nice things in the world that, even though they are nice and help others, I don't want 'em.

I started out on a Commie 64 tho

 

[the captians wench]

I dreamed up years ago.

I was cogitating on the difference between the Mac and Windows world.

Eventually, I likened the Windows world to the Roman Catholic Church. It controls most of the relevant religion. It is vast, monolithic, ubiquitous. The central tenet is that the individual cannot have a relationship with God (the computer). The individual has a relationship with the priesthood (Tech support, help desks, technicians) and the priesthood has the relationship with God.

Macs are like the Protestant religion. The relationship is between the individual and God. The priesthood is just there to help.



Done.

Flame, threadjack, flirt, whatever.

I'll take flirt for 1000 Alex.

 

[rgraham666]

No flame, no anything. Just the complete opposite of my experience. I don't like Macs, they don't like me, but they obviously suit some people, thus I'm glad they exist. Still don't want one, but there are a lot of nice things in the world that, even though they are nice and help others, I don't want 'em.

I started out on a Commie 64 tho

I've been using Macs for fifteen years. Only had three in that time. I've had one mouse go bad. And a power supply die. Which is why I got my second Mac. I trust those lovely machines.

Of course my very first computer was an Apple II. Serial #1871 Thirty years ago next Easter. Still have the motherboard in a display case.

Christ, I'm old.

 

[Guest]

I've been using Macs for fifteen years. Only had three in that time. I've had one mouse go bad. And a power supply die. Which is why I got my second Mac. I trust those lovely machines.

Of course my very first computer was an Apple II. Serial #1871 Thirty years ago next Easter. Still have the motherboard in a display case.

Christ, I'm old.

::grin:: You remember what a 300 baud modem is, don't you? When they were external?

I'm old with you.

 

[3113]

Hey, you'll get no argument from me. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Mac Cultist. Started on a Apple II myself...but what really converted me was that first Macintosh...with it's 1984 commercial.

I was sad when Apple tried to make the machine look and be like all the other computers out there during the early 90's...when the software got so tangled it didn't work so well....but now, now it's back. The machines are fresh and beautiful, they work seamlessly and easily, the software is elegant and easy.

No computer or software is perfect, but Macs are darn beautiful machines--and with all the free software they come with, competitively priced.

Most certainly the church I belong to.

 

[rgraham666]

::grin:: You remember what a 300 baud modem is, don't you? When they were external?

I'm old with you.

The ones where you had to put the phone handset into them? Yep.

Remember seeing my first hard drive. About the size of my printer. And five, count 'em, five megs. Used as much power as a washing machine too. Only $5,000.

Actually I had to use a cassette tape recorder for data storage for the first year. Floppy disk drives weren't available when I bought my first.

 

[Guest]

The ones where you had to put the phone handset into them? Yep.

Remember seeing my first hard drive. About the size of my printer. And five, count 'em, five megs. Used as much power as a washing machine too. Only $5,000.

Actually I had to use a cassette tape recorder for data storage for the first year. Floppy disk drives weren't available when I bought my first.

Same here, although the drives were just coming out for the Commie. You had to turn the disk over to use both sides, tho -- and you had to buy a special little clipper thingie to make a disk into a double sided disk.

and my monitor was a TV set. I used Q link.

Oh good lord -- War Games showed High Tech computers!!!! And he was using those giant floppies -- what were they, 12 inchers?

 

[Guest]

TRS80
nuff said.

 

[The_Fool]

Same here, although the drives were just coming out for the Commie. You had to turn the disk over to use both sides, tho -- and you had to buy a special little clipper thingie to make a disk into a double sided disk.

and my monitor was a TV set. I used Q link.

Oh good lord -- War Games showed High Tech computers!!!! And he was using those giant floppies -- what were they, 12 inchers?

There was an 8 inch on some of the business systems.

 

[lucky-E-leven]

[threadjack]I love The_Fool[/threadjack]

 

[Guest]

There was an 8 inch on some of the business systems.

that must have been it.

::Grin:: a friend of mine set up business computers in the 80's. He had one client for whom he'd just installed a 3.5 inch drive. They called later to complain it wasn't working. He went out to see what was wrong.

They'd folded the 5.25 disk in half and shoved it into the drive.

 

[rgraham666]

Same here, although the drives were just coming out for the Commie. You had to turn the disk over to use both sides, tho -- and you had to buy a special little clipper thingie to make a disk into a double sided disk.

and my monitor was a TV set. I used Q link.

Oh good lord -- War Games showed High Tech computers!!!! And he was using those giant floppies -- what were they, 12 inchers?

Eight inches.

One of my biggest perceptual problems with computers now is listen people complain about how slow and weak their computers are. "Only 1 Gig processor and only 2 Gigs of memory. And that freaking 80 Gig hard drive is too freaking small!"

I always experience this odd sensation of frission at that moment.

 

[Guest]

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[threadjack]me too, me too![/threadjack]

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

As I've never seen a priest tell someone they can't pray to God, nor have I seen the Church have a problem with anyone doing so, I can't support the notion that its central tenant is that very thing.

 

[Guest]

Eight inches.

One of my biggest perceptual problems with computers now is listen people complain about how slow and weak their computers are. "Only 1 Gig processor and only 2 Gigs of memory. And that freaking 80 Gig hard drive is too freaking small!"

I always experience this odd sensation of frission at that moment.

I have this distinct memory of one place I worked where we'd just had a new 10 meg drive installed. "You'll never fill this one" the tech told me. "It will last forever."

And I also remember backing up that drive on 67 5.25 discs. It was an all morning process.

And WORDSTAR. Anyone remember WORDSTAR? The old WORDSTAR commands are now called HTML

 

[the captians wench]

I have this distinct memory of one place I worked where we'd just had a new 10 meg drive installed. "You'll never fill this one" the tech told me. "It will last forever."

And I also remember backing up that drive on 67 5.25 discs. It was an all morning process.

And WORDSTAR. Anyone remember WORDSTAR? The old WORDSTAR commands are now called HTML

The first computer my mom brought home was a lot like that. Ran on dos. She taught me all the commands and how to use it, then when we got one that was actually made in the same decaid, I taught her how to use windows.

 

[BigFatMeat]

That's fucking hilarious, dude! LOL

 

[Huckleman2000]

Yoiks!
Okay, my first home PC was an Amiga 500. When I got the modem, I got 2400 baud because it was the fastest available. When I upgraded from 1/2 to 2 meg of memory, I had to cut a trace on the motherboard with an Xacto knife! Even so, it had a multi-tasking OS, at a time when DOS machines were still raging over how to deal with the 684K limit on addressable memory, and Macs were struggling with color display.

 

[The_Fool]

Computers suck...

 

[Guest]

Yoiks!
Okay, my first home PC was an Amiga 500. When I got the modem, I got 2400 baud because it was the fastest available. When I upgraded from 1/2 to 2 meg of memory, I had to cut a trace on the motherboard with an Xacto knife! Even so, it had a multi-tasking OS, at a time when DOS machines were still raging over how to deal with the 684K limit on addressable memory, and Macs were struggling with color display.

I remember Amigas!! At Universal Studios, when they first opened, the whole "Raiders of the Lost Ark" special effects and stunt show was run on Amigas. I went with a computer geek friend and we sat right behind the control area, marveling at the machines -- and occasionally looking up to see the fire explosions.

 

[hugo_sam]

I have this distinct memory of one place I worked where we'd just had a new 10 meg drive installed. "You'll never fill this one" the tech told me. "It will last forever."

And I also remember backing up that drive on 67 5.25 discs. It was an all morning process.

And WORDSTAR. Anyone remember WORDSTAR? The old WORDSTAR commands are now called HTML

I still have 5.5 on 5.25 floppy. Loved WS. Plain, Simple. Enjoyable.
I remember buying my own first hard drive upgrade. 240 megs. Paid $250.00 which was a deal when they first dropped to about a dollar a meg.
My last 120 gig cost less than that.

Dad was an engineet at AT & T. First mainframe at AT& T that ran hard disks, cutting edge then the size of a vinyl LP, had 5 k of memory total.

Hugo

 

[SeaCat]

I started on the Atari 400's and was excited when we updated to an 8088 system. Do you remember when 8K of onboard RAM was a big deal? I do.

Trash 80's? Loved em.

In my fathers basement are all of my old computers, still with their software, all in working order. Everything from the old Atari 400 through the IBM 486. (Yes this does include several Apples.)

Egads, maybe I should call some museums.

Cat

 

[the captians wench]

I loved atari!

my three white dots hump across the screen with a brown dot infront of them and try to avoid your three black dots!

aka football!

then packman, cinnapeed..... oh man I loved our atari!

 

[Liar]

Mac is Russia in the med 80's. A minimal set of options dictated and controlled by the central authority. But the few things that are there works pretty well.

Windows is Russia in the mid 90's. Everything is available, everything is for sale, the options are limitless. But to get anything done the way you want to, you need a negotiable sense of morality and the firepower of a small country.