A male Andrea yates...

[Sateema Lunasi]

Man kills his five children

He says he is innocent...hmmm...sick.

 

[AusTess]

Hmmmm.

No loud cries of outrage?





Maybe cos he's a male.
Maybe it's only REALLY shocking when it's the mother.

These aren't my opinions.
Just my thoughts.

Is it different when it's the father,not the mother?
Because he didn't give birth to them,was it easier for him?

 

[Monazwx]

Sick, sick, sick

I can't believe it, especially so soon after the Yates' trial.

It's really sad that the media isn't giving this as much attention as Yates. It's practically the same crime, but when it's the mother, it's heinous. In this case, it's the father and nobody cares.

 

[Weird Harold]

Man kills his five children

He says he is innocent...hmmm...sick.

From the cited article
WHITTIER, California (AP) -- A man accused of killing five of his children through asphyxiation by lighting a charcoal grill inside the family's home pleaded innocent to murder and attempted murder charges.

I think the lack of outrage might have something to do with the alleged method -- This could easily be a case of stupidity instead of murder. The article does not say why they think this was premeditated murder nor what the accused says is his reason for lighting charcoal grill indoors.

Andrea Yates, on the other hand, actively commited murder in a manner that left no doubt her intention was to murder her children.

If the prosecution can prove that this was dleiberate and premeditated, then I don't think there will be any outrage about sentencing this man to the maximum the law allows because "he was obviously insane and therefore deserves our pity."

The only similarity this story has to the Andrea Yates Case is the number of dead children.

 

[Sateema Lunasi]

I have not formed an opinion on this one yet, due to my lack of further knowledge about the case. Accident or not, it is still sick, and one would have to be VERY stupid to do such a thing, but still, I am having trouble making a firm opinion on it.

 

[amelia]

i promised myself i wouldn't cry

just short and sweet...anytime kids die it's a tragedy..even if it's an accident <i'm not saying this case is..i don' t know...>

~~Amelia

 

[patient1]

Normally I'd say "see my signature line", but in this case both malice and stupidity seem likely. Why grill when everyone is asleep? Why indoors? A lame murder/suicide attempt as an act of desperation/depression/vengence seems likely considering the status of the marriage.

 

[bored1]

I recall this story when it was first reported in FEB. Then is died down......My quess is that he will be convicted and sentenced to death.........Plus the fact that hes male, has something to do with it as he cant have post partum depression.Therefore he has no excuse. I feel sorry for the kids

 

[fivehole]

Today we read of ANOTHER mass murder......Last week in Oregon,a father kills his wife and four children,......two months before that a father kills his wife and three children..... How tragic!!!.......How sad!!!....How senseless!!!.....How sick!!!!!!......And it absolutely sickens me that it no longer SHOCKS and MORTIFIES me every time I read of another.....And there will be another tomorrow and the day after that..............."one tin soldier rides away......."

 

[bored1]

Today we read of ANOTHER mass murder......Last week in Oregon,a father kills his wife and four children,......two months before that a father kills his wife and three children..... How tragic!!!.......How sad!!!....How senseless!!!.....How sick!!!!!!......And it absolutely sickens me that it no longer SHOCKS and MORTIFIES me every time I read of another.....And there will be another tomorrow and the day after that..............."one tin soldier rides away......."

You make a very good point........It seems that we as a people have come to accept this behavior a normal...that is indeed sad.......Odd that I dont recall this kind of dysfunction as a child........I cant think of one time something like this happened when I was a kid.......

 

[InnocentAngel81]

i wish i knew a little more about that case i feel horrible for the children especially the one still living.

 

[patient1]

You make a very good point........It seems that we as a people have come to accept this behavior a normal...that is indeed sad.......Odd that I dont recall this kind of dysfunction as a child........I cant think of one time something like this happened when I was a kid.......

You're right. We accept this as normal & it's sad.

That's because the bizzarre now seems commonplace. It's the Jerry Springer effect:

There has always been domestic violence. Parents tend to shield their children from such frightening information.

There is a matter of media mechanics at work. Formerly, you weren't exposed to these kinds of stories if they weren't local. The network news was mostly things that happened around the world, or of national significance. Wars, the economy, what Washington was up to. Local news was a local car wreck, fire or robbery.

Now there's C-Span, CNN & talk radio to keep us up to speed with politics.

Now your local news team has a satellite feed & a satellite truck.

Now it's about ratings, so it's sensational. A flaming car crash or a bloody sidewalk from a knifing in another state is now news worthy if your local news can download footage. It won't have the affect on your life that the city council's debate over garbage or improvements to the resevoir do, but it's more compeling to watch.....

 

[sabbathstorm]

I mentioned this story about a week back but unfortunately could not find the link. There is still very limited press coverage, as is the case with the man in BC who killed his children in a house fire.

 

[bored1]

You're right. We accept this as normal & it's sad.

That's because the bizzarre now seems commonplace. It's the Jerry Springer effect:

There has always been domestic violence. Parents tend to shield their children from such frightening information.

There is a matter of media mechanics at work. Formerly, you weren't exposed to these kinds of stories if they weren't local. The network news was mostly things that happened around the world, or of national significance. Wars, the economy, what Washington was up to. Local news was a local car wreck, fire or robbery.

Now there's C-Span, CNN & talk radio to keep us up to speed with politics.

Now your local news team has a satellite feed & a satellite truck.

Now it's about ratings, so it's sensational.

You are correct news is now entertainment...quite sad,...........Yesterdays horiffic story is quickly replaced with the next tragedy and so it goes.......I still believe that whats going on now was not common 30/40 years ago, While I agree there has always been domestic violence I do not recall stories of parents killing their children of kids killing their classmates......To me its just confirms that society is in the toilet

 

[patient1]

You are correct news is now entertainment...quite sad,...........Yesterdays horiffic story is quickly replaced with the next tragedy and so it goes.......I still believe that whats going on now was not common 30/40 years ago, While I agree there has always been domestic violence I do not recall stories of parents killing their children of kids killing their classmates......To me its just confirms that society is in the toilet

This brings up an interesting diversion...
Do you remeber about the Pepsi-can syringe outbreak in the 1980's? After an initial televised report, people were finding syringes in their Pepsi cans & incidencences spread throughout the lower 48 states.

It started with a confused elderly man living with his diabetic daughter. Placing a used syringe in an empty can is the recommended method of dispossal, because it prevents wounds to garbagemen's hands & landfillworkers feet from dirty needles.
The senile man confused his pepsi can with his daughters & called the TV station when he stuck himself. Nobody knew that at the time.

Ther was no pattern to the reports . Different bottlers, different serial #'s,different syringes....Could it have been a short-selling stock scam? I wondered if it was a clever publicity stunt by ACT UP, the militant AIDS awareness organization. It ended with the broadcast of a check-out line security cam showing a woman opening a can of pepsi & putting a syringe in it before she bought it. It was a combination of attention seekers & opportunistic scammers. There was never a problem with the product! There was no coordinated conspiracy! It was a sad commentary on the content of character or lack thereof.

I think that phenomenon explains school shootings...the more attention we paid to them, the more they occurred.

 

[Private Vasquez]

UGH! Why even have kids if you're just going to kill them?

Disghusting!

 

[bored1]

This brings up an interesting diversion...
Do you remeber about the Pepsi-can syringe outbreak in the 1980's? After an initial televised report, people were finding syringes in their Pepsi cans & incidencences spread throughout the lower 48 states.

It started with a confused elderly man living with his diabetic daughter. Placing a used syringe in an empty can is the recommended method of dispossal, because it prevents wounds to garbagemen's hands & landfillworkers feet from dirty needles.
The senile man confused his pepsi can with his daughters & called the TV station when he stuck himself. Nobody knew that at the time.

Ther was no pattern to the reports . Different bottlers, different serial #'s,different syringes....Could it have been a short-selling stock scam? I wondered if it was a clever publicity stunt by ACT UP, the militant AIDS awareness organization. It ended with the broadcast of a check-out line security cam showing a woman opening a can of pepsi & putting a syringe in it before she bought it. It was a combination of attention seekers & opportunistic scammers. There was never a problem with the product! There was no coordinated conspiracy! It was a sad commentary on the content of character or lack thereof.

I think that phenomenon explains school shootings...the more attention we paid to them, the more they occurred.

I remember that and I recall the Tylenol stuff also and all the copy cats...I think school shootings are a little different.....To me they represent a breakdown within the structure of society.....I place the responsibility on the parents who are not aware of there kids dysfunction because they themselves are messed up...So the kids, who are already wacked out because they have no clear cut value system go nuts.............Then in the aftermath, they in a sick way become celebrities........And the cycle begins again