A heartfelt “Thank You” to the “One Bomber”

[jd4george]

A heartfelt “Thank You” to the “One Bomber”


I wanted to take a moment and thank the person that went through the Top List, and gave each of my poems a vote of one. You were able to knock four of my poems completely off the list, and to reduce their scores enough that they lost their “H”. Pretty admirable, considering two of them were in the top ten.

Unfortunately, you missed two other poems of mine.

If you do happen to read this thread, would you kindly do me a favor? Please go back and give them both a vote of one as well. (Presently, you’ll find them at numbers 18 and 24, respectively). If you would do that, I’d be most grateful.

You see, the fact that I noticed that they were no longer on the Top List means that I was paying more attention to that designation than was warranted. The fact that I noticed that they had lost the “H” is equally misguided on my part. It means that I was beginning to let my ego get in the way. It means that I had begun to compromise my humility. It means I was forgetting who I am, and why I am here.

So, I thank you for that!

However, I owe you a debt of gratitude beyond simply reminding me that my priorities were getting out of line. The one thing I wish, as a poet, is that my work might affect someone. My name, and/or my poems, affected you enough to take the time to search them out, open them up, and then give them the vote of one. Not only once, but you did it a handful of times!

I think that is very cool!

Perhaps it is my name. If so, it means that I have put myself out there enough, that you now recognize me. Now, when you see my name, you have a reaction. Can a poet ask for more?

Perhaps you truly dislike my work. If so, it means that you have read enough of my work to decide that you needed to take action. You were able to wade through the 50+ poems I have here at Literotica, and selectively target them. You became actively involved with my work. Again, can a poet ask for more?

Perhaps you object to my comments on the poems of others. Or, perhaps, you wrote something that moved me enough to want to express my opinion. (I happen to believe that the feedback and interaction I receive from other poets requires that I actively post my own feelings. Fair is fair). If that’s the case, then my opinions made you take action. Again, can a poet ask for more?

So, to the person that some might call “one vote troll”, or a “one bomber”, let me say this: You did me a huge service, and you paid me an incredible compliment.

You see, your actions mean that I am becoming a more effective poet… and that is the very reason I’m here.

Thank you!

 

[Tathagata]

A heartfelt “Thank You” to the “One Bomber”


I wanted to take a moment and thank the person that went through the Top List, and gave each of my poems a vote of one. You were able to knock four of my poems completely off the list, and to reduce their scores enough that they lost their “H”. Pretty admirable, considering two of them were in the top ten.

Unfortunately, you missed two other poems of mine.

If you do happen to read this thread, would you kindly do me a favor? Please go back and give them both a vote of one as well. (Presently, you’ll find them at numbers 18 and 24, respectively). If you would do that, I’d be most grateful.

You see, the fact that I noticed that they were no longer on the Top List means that I was paying more attention to that designation than was warranted. The fact that I noticed that they had lost the “H” is equally misguided on my part. It means that I was beginning to let my ego get in the way. It means that I had begun to compromise my humility. It means I was forgetting who I am, and why I am here.

So, I thank you for that!

However, I owe you a debt of gratitude beyond simply reminding me that my priorities were getting out of line. The one thing I wish, as a poet, is that my work might affect someone. My name, and/or my poems, affected you enough to take the time to search them out, open them up, and then give them the vote of one. Not only once, but you did it a handful of times!

I think that is very cool!

Perhaps it is my name. If so, it means that I have put myself out there enough, that you now recognize me. Now, when you see my name, you have a reaction. Can a poet ask for more?

Perhaps you truly dislike my work. If so, it means that you have read enough of my work to decide that you needed to take action. You were able to wade through the 50+ poems I have here at Literotica, and selectively target them. You became actively involved with my work. Again, can a poet ask for more?

Perhaps you object to my comments on the poems of others. Or, perhaps, you wrote something that moved me enough to want to express my opinion. (I happen to believe that the feedback and interaction I receive from other poets requires that I actively post my own feelings. Fair is fair). If that’s the case, then my opinions made you take action. Again, can a poet ask for more?

So, to the person that some might call “one vote troll”, or a “one bomber”, let me say this: You did me a huge service, and you paid me an incredible compliment.

You see, your actions mean that I am becoming a more effective poet… and that is the very reason I’m here.

Thank you!

very Zen brother
I'm proud of you...
BTW
zen sarcasm...it's all the rage, i hear the Beatles did it



I had this happen too and wanted to say something like this...but you did it better than I ever could
Thank you for that also

 

[Guest]

Not to take any glory from you JD, but it looks like the One Bomber(s) were very busy yesterday as they gifted several poets with the same. Me included, although I am quite used to it by now since putting up with it for two years—not that it makes me happy or anything, it just doesn't surprise me anymore.

I think if I didn't have DSL/High Speed connection, I'd shake it up and smack ya'll silly with a bunch of Fives just for the hell of it—at least it would be something different.




- neo

 

[WickedEve]

Well, I was getting ready to tell you not fret about it, because it happens to us all, but then I looked at my newest "October Odssey II" and the H is gone! I got oned! Forget you jd! I got a 1 and that's all that matters! Oner! I will find you and when I do... #@!* (yes, I'm a little self-centered)

 

[annaswirls]

DAYAM

It sucks JD, I know. Sorry it hit you, Neo and Eve. And whoever else. I do not have any targets out there right now or I would check!

So welcome to the Troll Patrol. We should really have a welcome basket ready, you know, like a good community, some casseroles or coupons, I dont know what does one give to a newly trolled poet? Big Boots?

Tell Laurel about it if you have not already done so, in the past she has been able to fix things up.

Take care, and keep writing, and keep your sense of humor.



~J

 

[jd4george]

Tath... thanks, my friend!

Neo... thanks for the cosmic fives!

Eve... I'm not fretting. It has happened to me several times before, and most assuredly will happen again. However, all those ones did remind me that I was letting my priorities get out of whack. (Still, if you do happen chase the #@!* down, holler! I've got this piece of lead pipe, and... )

Anna... do you have a recipe for "Sweet Word Pie"? (I hear certain adjectives are hard to swallow!).

As for telling Laurel... if she catches it of her own accord, fine. If she doesn't, that's fine too. I'm not here to get a bunch of poems on the Top List, nor am I particularly concerned with getting Hs or Es.

I am here for selfish reasons... to practice my craft... to improve as a poet... to share, and learn and grow.

The fact that you sweet poets have offered kind words to me, is far more important and lasting.

 

[Maria2394]

Dear jd4george,
i can certainly empathize (sp?) with you, its happened to me so many times I started to feel like a target on my back....then-

Tath told me not to address trolls in public

Eve told me to turn off my anon FB cause they were invading my email space too

Tess told me she cared and not to go, as well as did Angeline, neo, flyguy, tungtied, fawnie, anna and many others

so I licked my wounded ego, decided it didnt matter in the grand scheme of things and posted my britney spears poem

everyone here has had good advice and I appreciated it, but I still didnt post a poem for I think nearly 2 months

then yesterday I happened to be on the Fb portal and noticed someone laid into my favorite sp incarnation Oxalis' poem, 1 elda, 2 fucking guys,she actually said, Im sorry, but this sucks, let me help you..now is that constructive FB? I think not, I m not oxalis, but the superior tone offended me

I sent that person a very civil note asking why couldnt she offer FB in a kinder, more acceptable way, nevermind the fact that oxalis is in poetry heaven, and she sent me a note back, called me names and genuinely showed her ass

THAT, I mean, people like her, are the reason I nearly left LIt..I allowed the trolls, and the anon jerks to make me feel badly about myself, and didnt even take into consideration what I truly have here, which are good friends, intelligent, like minded people who support me and accept me as I am...screw the mean people, they will get what they deserve eventually

as for the top list and H's, I deleted almost 40 of my poems that had H's, about half of them were on the top list yet I had one left as maria, one as normal jean, and they got oned as well..so jd, I doubt it is personal, except that now my inactive poems list, my author page is being hit too...ohhh well, the perils of being famous

I hope the critics hit this hard in t he national spotlight, I will laugh at them ( yes, thats the percocet kicking in

jd, you are way too good a poet to feel beaten or even mildly hurt, I love your work, so I repeat what all the rest have told me, dont let it get to you, one day you just wont care and they will look so pitiful, pitiable, to you, and thats a wonderful feeling, mwaaaha, <weg>

 

[flyguy69]

I certainly don't want to defend the work of trolls, but in the defense of diversity and in support of JD4G's (somewhat sarcastic) points, the most important lesson here is keep a thick skin.

Just because someone voted a one, and even if they are the only one to do so, there is no reason to conclude that it is not a valid vote. The voting mechanism does not tell us what is a good poem, it only tells us what lit readers (the ones that bothered to vote) think about it.

Readers have different tastes and different reasons for voting; if I vote a five because someone wrote mediocre verse about a topic close to my heart, is my vote wrong? If I vote a three because I think the author is a pompous ass, does it mean my response is unjustified? The troll(s) may be voting based upon criteria with which we disagree, but in an open forum it would be the height of arrogance for us to declare it illegitimate.

Within this community there seems to be an unwritten rule that we give 4's and 5's; less than that either warrents extensive suggestions for improvement or to be ignored. But there is no requirement that any of us follow those guidelines, nor should there be. The diversity of votes and voting criteria actually provide some interesting insight into the breadth of a poem's appeal.

You know you are an extraordinary poet, JD4G; if you don't you haven't been reading my comments! I don't mean to hold up my opinion as meaning any more than another's here at Lit (and it certainly means less than some), but the opinions of those whose opinions you value are a far better measure of a poem's quality than the vote average.

And, Maria, if a reader were to send me a picture of her ass I would conclude she were voting me a 6!

 

[flyguy69]

Wait a minute, sombody just gave Sex Poem a one! Curse you, troll! If there is anything left after Eve has her way with you...!

 

[tungtied2u]

my two cents

jd- I know I'm a mediocre at best poet....and would gladly sit at your feet and eat the crumbs that fall from your poetry feasts.

There are many others I at Lit I feel the same way about.
Like you I am here to learn and hopefully become better, for the sake of improving alone.

One thing I have noticed lately, is a dearth of comments on some very good poetry, and a tendency, to which I also plead guilty, to sometimes only concentrate on the poems by people I know are good.

In my limited understanding of Tibetan Buddhism..there are 3 philosophies....Mahayana...the big boat....which says to achieve enlightenment everyone else must get there as well; Hinayana, the Little Boat...which concentrates on attaining enlightment for one's self and then helping others attain it; and Vajrayana....which is a combination of the two.

Each of us practices his/her own form of poetry Buddhism. For myself, I'm a believer in the third form......believing all of us benefit by not only learning from each other, but teachiong each other.

Perhaps the trolls act out of neglect.....and by us being more willing to help others improve could get some of these trolls on the top of the bridge and across to the other side.

I don't think any of us would suffer from an overabundance of improving poets. You have certainly been generous to me and others my friend... so this is not meant as a criticism of you....although I always think we can all be more aware and stretch a bit further.

Thanks for your positive spin brother. Its the path less travelled.

 

[Maria2394]

oh flyguy, I never said a one vote could never be a valid vote, there have been a few poems that deserve less than a one lately ( in my opinion) and since someone suggested the voting results are skewed when we dont vote on the lousy ones too, I started considering voting on them, cant bring myuself to do it yet though

my problem is with people who claim they want to be helpful and then use derogatory terms and attempt to be cruel is not helping, I personally would never welcome FB from anyone who called me stupid, childish, or said my worked sucked, as there are better more diplomatic ways to "help"someone, in my opiniion, hatefulness like that only shows insecurity and lack of intelligence and caring..but hey, maybe some poets enjoy being treated like a crap, I dont like abuse like that and it angers me to see it happen to anyone, else,.
Just cause you sign your name to a turd doenst make it stink any less...

also, I never vote or comment on anyones poetry who has taken the effort to hurt people, It doesnt matter if I like the poet or not, its how I keep my world a nicer place
Also, this site has already lost way too many wonderful people without someone driving away more, lke just happened today..its sad...

 

[Angeline]

I didn't know you could lose an H. I thought it was based on number of votes within time X--like a certain number of days after the piece is posted.

Also, Laurel can check into this--I know it has been done before. Someone goes through and bombs a bunch of poems to get the top spot on the top scores list, which is pretty sad when you think about it. She can remove the offending one votes if it's clearly a pattern.

On the other hand, I figure if it matters enough to someone that they have to be an unethical turd to promote their own measly efforts, they can have the spot. I don't really care. I'd rather have feedback and comments from the poets here who I respect, many of whom have already posted in this thread.

 

[Maria2394]

I didn't know you could lose an H.

yep sis, H's can be lost..it seems that even a perfect 5 rated poem, which gets a couple of extremely low votes can be sent beneath the magical 4.5 required level and the little H magically disappears... this is, has been, the cause of so much pain, they should be Hs

 

[BlueskyBeauty]

since i'm on my way out the door, i guess i feel the liberty to express myself..and as candidly as i want..

i was going to save it for my good bye thread after i'm done deleting all my stuff from the threads..whiich is far more time consuming the i had imagined it would be.

if someone really cared enough to stop the assholes from lowering scores, it wouldn't still be going on..and on..and on..and so on and so on.

these threads have moderators, it's pretty clear this has been an ongoing problem..

i started writing on the suddenly passion thread because of how upsetting it was to sumbit something that even though maybe couldn't stand up against some of you..was deserving to be read..we all can say them h's don't mean anything..but i think they do..and i think ..no wait..i know it has chased several away because people don't care to write where it's not about appreciation for the poetry submitted.

it doesn't mean everyone has to like everything submitted, but if you're going to have voting, and even awards for stuff that earns good scores, there should be some accountability..but there isn't.

i'm tired of feeling bad everytime i submit something that i knnow is pretty good stuff..i've worked hard to clean up my poetry..i don't want to feel like it makes me feel submitting work here..call me a wimp..i really don't give a shit about zen at the moment.

i'm working with a friend to create my own website..the idea has been in my head a long time but will be able to actually happen in the near future..i will be publishing other poets and a scoring system will be in place..but it will be monitored and patterns of scoring low for whatever reason wont be tolerated...and if you score a work, you will be required to put ur id with that score..

especially if awards are to be given to top rated poetry...people need to be held accountable..that simply is not the case here, and i'm just tired of investing so much time to a place where you really dont know who's honest..who isn't..who's sweet to your face in public but malicious and spiteful behind the scenes.

i like being happy, and the distrust and hurt that this has created in me does 2 things..makes me thin skinned..(i can think of worse character flaws) and makes me feel bad everytime i come in here.

i wish others who have left or on their way out would say something so maybe those who run the sight would see how many quality people are being chased off by those i guess make far better company for those with rhino skin.

i've never been anything but fair with my voting..when that same courtesy is not returned..well cuse me for being a wimp, but i can't take it..and i'm done..so, i'm leaving.

i've made some friends here, i will miss out on some great poetry, and that's prob the hardest bit, cuz the friendships i can take with me.

but life's far too short to invest my time where i end up feeling bad.

and i do these days.

take care everyone and this thread is full of some of the sweetest people i've had the pleasure of meeting online..and that is heartfelt sincerity.

fawnie

 

[WickedEve]

"if someone really cared enough to stop the assholes from lowering scores, it wouldn't still be going on..and on..and on..and so on and so on.

these threads have moderators, it's pretty clear this has been an ongoing problem.."

I'm not sure if I understand your moderator comment. The poetry submitted to literotica that's voted on has nothing to with the board mods. Only the owners of lit can do something about the voting system. Actually, the system eventually catches "illegal" votes and removes them.

 

[BlueskyBeauty]

"if someone really cared enough to stop the assholes from lowering scores, it wouldn't still be going on..and on..and on..and so on and so on.

these threads have moderators, it's pretty clear this has been an ongoing problem.."

I'm not sure if I understand your moderator comment. The poetry submitted to literotica that's voted on has nothing to with the board mods. Only the owners of lit can do something about the voting system. Actually, the system eventually catches "illegal" votes and removes them.

i'm going to put it differently..retract whatever i need..cuz it wasn't meant to attack you or ur purpose being here, my point is that over and over again this issue has been addressed on these threads..and we've all watched thin skin move on because it hurts..if you all are aware of how much it's going on, couldn't it be addressed to laurel by those who have a bit of the owners trust..i'm assuming that's a play here and partly why you're a moderator.

it wasn't personal eve, i'm just fed up that its allowed to continue, and feel bad that i couldn't just swallow the load and enjoy the rest ..but i can't..like i said..call me a wimp, doesn't really matter at this point, atleast i'm a wimp with integrity.

 

[WickedEve]

Many things have been improved over the years and different ones of us have made different requests to Laurel. She does what she can. No system is perfect. A reader has a right to vote one the same as he/she has a right to vote five. What the system catches is more than one vote from one isp address. So, if some one fived you three times, those votes would be removed, same as too many ones from the same person.

 

[PatCarrington]

I am here for selfish reasons... to practice my craft... to improve as a poet... to share, and learn and grow.

The fact that you sweet poets have offered kind words to me, is far more important and lasting.

good for you, jd. your poetry is consistently terrific, and your skill and versatility are things to admire.

and, as to the one-bombers, speaking with all the careful thought and reflection that i and the 8 bass ales now occupying my veins can muster.....fuck 'em.

 

[Liar]

fuck 'em.

Aye.

 

[Tathagata]

good for you, jd. your poetry is consistently terrific, and your skill and versatility are things to admire.

and, as to the one-bombers, speaking with all the careful thought and reflection that i and the 8 bass ales now occupying my veins can muster.....fuck 'em.

In Vino Veritas

 

[flyguy69]

good for you, jd. your poetry is consistently terrific, and your skill and versatility are things to admire.

and, as to the one-bombers, speaking with all the careful thought and reflection that i and the 8 bass ales now occupying my veins can muster.....fuck 'em.

So Pat's vote counts for nine!

 

[jd4george]

An update!

In my opening post, I asked the one bomber to please go back and give two specific poems of mine a one, because they still appeared on the Top List. MIRACLE OF MIRACLES! The troll did as I asked, and went back and gave them both a one!

Happenstance? Perhaps. Intentional? Perhaps. Whatthefuckever!

First, I didn't mean to strike such a vibrant chord, though I will admit the same frustrations that have been so eloquently submitted. My only real objection is that those vindictive "ones" falsely skew my numbers. I use this system to judge my work in comparision with other poems of my own. I DO NOT COMPARE MY WORK TO OTHERS!

Second, I truly did want to thank the one-bomber because I was indeed letting my priorities get out of line.

Third, I agree that everyone has the right to vote as they wish. I've said it before: Don't like my stuff, then give it a one. Don't like me, then give it a one. Feel like being an asshole, then give it a one. I don't care, as long as the vote is honest.

Fourth, thanks to all who have offered support of my work.

That being said... please know that I have been chasing this muse for quite some time, and I know where my work stands in terms of marketability, strength, etc. My stuff was being published years before a lot of folks here even started to write poetry, and before the "self-publishing" aspect of the internet even existed. (Hell, personal computers didn't even exist!).

So, my friends, please know this: Neither my ego, nor my spirit is in jeopardy. My voice is strong, and my skin calloused-thick.

Finally, to the "troll". You fucked up, and made more work for yourself!. By bouncing all our work off the list, you inadvertantly promoted six more of my poems! Assuming you still have some ones safely tucked away, you'll find my newly offending poems at numbers 46, 55, 60, 76, 83 and 93. Thanks, in advance, for your time.

In keeping with the season... vote early, and vote often!

 

[PatCarrington]

An update!

In my opening post, I asked the one bomber to please go back and give two specific poems of mine a one, because they still appeared on the Top List. MIRACLE OF MIRACLES! The troll did as I asked, and went back and gave them both a one!

Happenstance? Perhaps. Intentional? Perhaps. Whatthefuckever!

hey, jd. the bomber is branching out......'making the rounds', so to speak.

that must be one sick puppy.

 

[tungtied2u]

hey, jd. the bomber is branching out......'making the rounds', so to speak.

that must be one sick puppy.

How about a one bomber challenge.....poems based on our reaction to whoever's doing this....turn something negative into a positive....reactons?

 

[flyguy69]

hey, jd. the bomber is branching out......'making the rounds', so to speak.

that must be one sick puppy.

You know, I'm kinda proud of my new troll. Like Tath's ezine acceptance, it is a sort of merit badge for my poet's sash. It may not count for much, but I can point to those ones and say "Look at me; I've got a troll! Just like a real poet!"