A few pro football related rants

EveryColorOfFun

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1. Payton Manning is the most overrated player in pro football history.

2. Tiki Barber is not a Hall of Famer.

I'll take Manning first.

For the past 5-6 years, the various football pundits at ESPN and columnists around the country have been sucking Manning's flaccid cock, saying things like "he's doing things we've never seen any qb do."-Stuart Scott in ESPN The Magazine

Like what. Throw for more tds in a single season then any other qb?

Big fucking deal. With the restrictions placed on defensive players as far as interacting with receivers, if a qb doesn't throw for at least 30 td's a year he shouldn't be in the NFL, much less starting. And it's not Manning did what Marino did which was obliterate the old record. Manning only broke the record by 1 td pass and that came in the second half of the final regular season game.

"Yeah, but Manning calls his own plays."

No, he doesn't. He gets the play from the sideline over the reciever in his headset just like every other qb in the league. The difference is that Manning then spends 20 seconds at the line of scrimmage shouting out bullshit and gesticulating widely pretending he's calling audibles.

The last qb who truly called all his own plays was Johnny Unitas and he never went through all of the antics that Manning does.

Manning showed Unitas and his family no repect when Unitas died, by kowtowing to league officials and not wearing black hightops in tribute. Manning later said he didn't want to risk a fine.

What cowardly selfish bullshit. He has more money then some small countries and even if he was fined the team would end up paying it for him. One good thing was that the Ravens qb at the time said "Fuck the NFL" and proudly wore black hightops in tribute and said he didn't give a shit about being fined.

But the last few years all of the talk has been about how Manning is the best qb in the NFL, with Tom Brady only being brought into the discussion in order to diss Brady.

Y'know, I'd always understood it that the biggest measure of whether you were the best in the NFL was how many NFL championships/Super Bowls you'd won. Individual achievements come in a close second, but they're second.

So, how many championships has Manning won?

None.

Fuck, he's never won a championship at any level of football.

When he was at Tennessee he got his cock sliced off and served to him on a plate by Florida every season. Tennesse only won a national championship after he'd graduated.

And since he's been in the NFL how many times has he been to the Super Bowl?

None.

He's never even come close, his Colts have gotten their asses kicked every year either in the AFC championship game or in the divisional playoffs.

Yet the sportswriters/broadcasters still bleat and shriek that Manning is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Right. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And those same writers and broadcasters give Patriots qb Tom Brady NO respect, with many saying that he is a marginal Hall of Famer at best. This despite leading the Patriots to 3 Super Bowl wins in 4 years and winning two Super Bowl MVP's.

Quick, how many players have been the mvp of 2 or more Super Bowls?

4. Bart Starr Super Bowls I & II, Terry Bradshaw XIII & XIV, Joe Montana XVI, XIX, XXIV and Tom Brady XXXVI & XXXVIII.

Yet Brady never gets mentioned as one of the best qbs in NFL history, let alone the best qb currently playing the game.

Manning is possibly the best at one thing, which is being the biggest choke artists in NFL history, though it could be argued that Jim Kelly has that title.


Tiki Barber.

Where the fuck did all of this talk about Barber being a surefire Hall of Famer come from?

I heard nothing of the sort until this year, and that was only after rumors of his impending retirement started swirling around, as well as rumors that he and teammate Michael Strahan were semi-closeted fags and butt buddies.

Here are his career stats.

Singularly unimpressive.

Given all of the rule changes that have given an unfair advantage to offenses for nearly 10 years, I'd say that Barber would have to put up fairly mindboggling numbers for at least another five seasons before consideration could even begin for his being placed on the HoF ballot, let alone getting elected.

One of the keys for being a HoFer is that you are the dominant/top/best player at your position while you were playing.

Barber has never been the dominant running back in the league and I'd argue that he isn't even as good as former Ginats running back Otis "OJ Anderson, who at least has a Super Bowl championship and is a Super Bowl MVP, which he, Anderson, didn't deserve.

I guess it's yet another in the endless series of NY Media assholes hyping someone WAY out of proportion.

Thoughts/comments/rant of your own? Have at.
 
I think LT has been the most consistantly dominate RB for the last 3 years... three or four more and he should be getting ugly HOF jacket.

Manning is good but certainly not the best ever.
 
EveryColorOfFun said:
1. Payton Manning is the most overrated player in pro football history.
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I find it hard to believe, with your knowledge of this subject that you didn't even spell Peyton right
 
EveryColorOfFun said:
1. Payton Manning is the most overrated player in pro football history.

It's Peyton nimrod.

EveryColorOfFun said:
I'll take Manning first.

The Colts already took him first, so you'll have to get in line.

EveryColorOfFun said:
For the past 5-6 years, the various football pundits at ESPN and columnists around the country have been sucking Manning's flaccid cock, saying things like "he's doing things we've never seen any qb do."-Stuart Scott in ESPN The Magazine

Like what. Throw for more tds in a single season then any other qb?

Yep
A seventh 4000 yd season in the works........only Marino is tied with 6
8 consecutive years with 25+ Tds
4 "perfect games"



EveryColorOfFun said:
"Yeah, but Manning calls his own plays."
He calls one of three choices given to him.
 
Same rant people used to make about Joe Montana and Brett Favre - usually by someone jealous that Montana and Favre weren't playing on their favorite team.
 
It's always funny when someone who's totally ignorant of football decides to go on a rant about it.
And it's already been pointed out but..it's Peyton. How the fuck you can expect anyone to believe you know what you're talking about when you can't even spell the name of the person you're supposedly so knowledgable of?
Fucking idiot.
 
sticky_keyboard said:
Same rant people used to make about Joe Montana and Brett Favre - usually by someone jealous that Montana and Favre weren't playing on their favorite team.

Montana and Favre not only got their respective teams to the Super Bowl numerous times, they both won at least one Super Bowl.

Manning hasn't even gotten close.
 
EveryColorOfFun said:
Montana and Favre not only got their respective teams to the Super Bowl numerous times, they both won at least one Super Bowl.

Manning hasn't even gotten close.
Huh, I was unaware that Marinio was so overrated. Ya know, since he never won the big one and all.
 
MakersandIce said:
It's Peyton nimrod.



The Colts already took him first, so you'll have to get in line.



Yep
A seventh 4000 yd season in the works........only Marino is tied with 6
8 consecutive years with 25+ Tds
4 "perfect games"




He calls one of three choices given to him.

4 "perfect games"??!!

The only sport the phrase "perfect game" applies to is baseball. As I mentioned in my OP it doesn't matter anyway as the rules have been changed to give an obscenely unfair advantage to the offense and receivers over the past 10 years and therefore Mannings stats are just as bogus and bullshit as all of the home run numbers put up during mlb's steroids era.

And as for confusing Payton and Peyton, that's my bad as I had the second greatest running back in NFL history, Walter "Sweetness" Payton on my mind as one asshat sportscolumnist recently bleated that Barber was better then Payton.

KRCummings I misspelled Mannings name.

Big fucking deal.

How does that make me in your words
totally ignorant of football.

Besides the misspelling, what facts did I get wrong?

Don't bother with trying to research your answer, 'cause there weren't any errors, besides the name thing, which is inconsequential.
 
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EveryColorOfFun said:
4 "perfect games"??!!

What the fuck does that even mean.

never mind, I don't give a fuck, as it doesn't matter anyway as the rules have been changed to give an obscenely unfair advantage to the offense and receivers over the past 10 years.

And as for confusing Payton and Peyton, that's my bad as I had the second greatest running back in NFL history, Walter "Sweetness" Payton on my mind as one asshat sportscolumnist recently bleated that Barber was better then Payton.

KRCummings I misspelled Mannings name.

Big fucking deal.

How does that make me in your words ?

besides the misspelling, what facts did I get wrong?

Don't bother with trying to research your answer, 'cause there weren't any errors, besides the name thing, which is inconsequential.
I don't need to research anything, fuckwad. You're stupid enough to think that only people who won Super Bowls should get into the HOF on the first ballot.
It's very obvious that you simply don't like Manning. My guess is that you're a Texans fan or something along those lines.
I don't like Manning and totally agree that he's the biggest choker in the league right now but that means nothing when considering his ability at his position. He's arguably the best active QB and only a moron like yourself can't see that.
 
Where did this Newb come from??

You don't need to win a superbowl to be an awesome quarterback!
 
Emerald Eyed said:
Where did this Newb come from??

You don't need to win a superbowl to be an awesome quarterback!
He's yet to chime in on Marino or any other great player who never won a Super Bowl.
Hell, I'm all for Manning bashing but you gotta be smart about it.
 
KRCummings said:
He's yet to chime in on Marino or any other great player who never won a Super Bowl.
Hell, I'm all for Manning bashing but you gotta be smart about it.
Look at Elway....he was considered the best...even afterlosing a few Superbowls.

Thank Goodness he won 2 at the end there. I was getting a lot of shit for that
lol
 
sweet soft kiss said:
I think LT has been the most consistantly dominate RB for the last 3 years... three or four more and he should be getting ugly HOF jacket.

Manning is good but certainly not the best ever.
the big knock on that guy is his playoff victories and/or a Superbowl title. Its a John Elway type career, isnt it? If Elway didnt win the big one, nobody would care about him.
 
KRCummings said:
He's yet to chime in on Marino or any other great player who never won a Super Bowl.
Hell, I'm all for Manning bashing but you gotta be smart about it.

Last I checked Unitas never won the big one either. Just sayin'
 
Beco said:
the big knock on that guy is his playoff victories and/or a Superbowl title. Its a John Elway type career, isnt it? If Elway didnt win the big one, nobody would care about him.


Marino never won a Superbowl... Manning still has a chance... but Dungy has to manage the end of the season better than he did last year. Letting all the starters get rusty just wasn't wise.
 
The only sport the phrase "perfect game" applies to is baseball. WRONG

It is used in bowling also. Just saying.
 
kidspider said:
The only sport the phrase "perfect game" applies to is baseball. WRONG

It is used in bowling also. Just saying.

He/she-it is an idiot.

A 158.3 is also the highest rating for a QB, and considered a perfect rating; Manning has done it thrice in the regular season and once in the playoffs. Also, since when is the AFC Championship not considered close to the Super Bowl?
 
sweet soft kiss said:
Marino never won a Superbowl... Manning still has a chance... but Dungy has to manage the end of the season better than he did last year. Letting all the starters get rusty just wasn't wise.
yeah, but thats the big knock on Marino, its part of the discussion. Same with Kelly in Buffalo, stats mean a lot but only take you so far. Ya got to win da big one to complete a career, kind of sucks
 
Beco said:
yeah, but thats the big knock on Marino, its part of the discussion. Same with Kelly in Buffalo, stats mean a lot but only take you so far. Ya got to win da big one to complete a career, kind of sucks


I think Manning is significantly better than Jim Kelly. But you're right to an extent about the big win as the cherry on top of a career, it certainly makes it easier to cement your place in the HOF, but John Stockton is still gonna be known as one of the best small guards to ever play pro Basketball without an NBA Championship ring.
 
EveryColorOfFun said:
Big fucking deal. With the restrictions placed on defensive players as far as interacting with receivers, if a qb doesn't throw for at least 30 td's a year he shouldn't be in the NFL, much less starting.

Of the various ways your thread is stupid, and it's really fucking stupid, this has to be dumbest thing you've said.

Tom Brady is the right guy to hold up as the gold standard of NFL QB's. You want to know how many times he's thrown 30 TD's? Zero. According to you, the three time super bowl winner shouldn't even be in the league.

How about Ben Roethlisberger, the guy who won last year's super bowl? He's never come close. Think the Steelers are happy he's in the league?

You raise a somewhat legitimate point. Manning, despite being a great QB in the regular season, has struggled in the playoffs in a way Marino didn't. That's what separates him, in my mind, from Marino.
 
sweet soft kiss said:
I think Manning is significantly better than Jim Kelly. But you're right to an extent about the big win as the cherry on top of a career, it certainly makes it easier to cement your place in the HOF, but John Stockton is still gonna be known as one of the best small guards to ever play pro Basketball without an NBA Championship ring.

It happens all the time, Stockton, Barkley, Marino, Malone, Ewing were great, HOF players, but I always here, " he didnt win the big one". Its always in the converstaion.

Sad commentary really
 
Beco said:
It happens all the time, Stockton, Barkley, Marino, Malone, Ewing were great, HOF players, but I always here, " he didnt win the big one". Its always in the converstaion.

Sad commentary really

Really is... I can see your point totally in an individual sport like golf, tennis, figure skating... you don't get to be equated with the greats without championships... but in a team sport, where the player in question cannot control his teammates I give them a little more leeway. I can be generous that way.
 
spacekowboy420 said:
Last I checked Unitas never won the big one either. Just sayin'


he was knocked out of super bowl 5...but the colts won...so he won a super bowl...

and if anybody has posted this, i wouldn't know, i'm posting from my phone.

nice first post...
 
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