Joe Wordsworth
Logician
- Joined
- Apr 22, 2004
- Posts
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Gets up, gets dressed, goes to work...
General Manager: Alright, ya'll. Sales are down, so we need to do our job better, I want thirty cars out today--we only did twenty on Saturday.
Group of Managers (me included): Sure, yeah, alright, no problem, great, etc.
General Manager: Now, are you promising me thirty?
Group of Managers (without me): Sure, yeah, alright, no problem, great, etc.
Me: Nope.
General Manager: Why not?
Me: I can't make it rain. Traffic might be slow, its a Monday--Saturday is the highest traffic day and it wasn't thirty. We're not running any unique ads.
General Manager: But we need thirty, so that's just what we gotta do.
Me: O.k.
General Manager: How many are we going to do?
Me: Ten.
General Manager: But we need thirty.
Me: You didn't ask me how many we needed, you asked me how many I thought we were going to do. Honestly, sales have been down for three months--we've never hit the daily goal, so I don't think we're likely to.
General Manager: Well, we need to. Your department needs to get me eight of those today.
Me. O.k.
General Manager: Are you going to do it?
Me: I'll try.
General Manager: That's not what I asked, I said are you going to?
Me: Probably not.
General Manager: Either you will or you won't.
Me: That's a false dichotomy, given that I'm predicting there is an option of "it is possible to and possible not to" and I can't accurately assert I will or won't. Too many variables to be certain.
General Manager: Go to work. Ya'll need to do thirty.
Me: O.k.
Work, work, work, get called in to help a salesperson with a sale...
Salesperson: The customer wants to buy that Tahoe over there, but she only wants to pay $699 a month for it.
Me: So, what's the problem?
Salesperson: I think she can pay more.
Me: And she says she can't?
Salesperson: Yeah. But, she looks like money, I'm sure she can pay more.
Me: *crunches numbers* So, we're making good money on $699 and you want to pump her for more money because you think there's more?
Salesperson: Yeah. I know it. She'll pay $800.
Me: Or, she may only be able to pay $699.
Salesperson: If she says six, she can do eight.
Me: Or, she could be saying six because she can do six--there is the chance, here, that she's being honest.
Salesperson: No there isn't.
Me: There's no chance that she's being honest?
Salesperson: Four out of five of these people can pay more.
Me: So, there's a chance that she's being honest?
Salesperson: No.
Me: Even though one out of five is being honest?
Salesperson: But she's not, so there's no chance.
Me: *signs the paperwork* Take the deal, do the paperwork, move on--sell another car.
Salesperson: *mumbles that I won't listen to logic*
Work, work, work, go outside for a cigarette...
Used Car Manager: How's Internet doing?
Me: Good, got two out today. Used?
Used Car Manager: Three. Shit day.
Me: Yup.
Used Car Manager: You know, I don't see how you do that Internet shit.
Me: Fastest growing segement of car sales.
Used Car Manager: Naw, Naw, I mean, like, go on there and fool around and shit. You ain't a computer geek or nothin'.
Me: How is that relevant?
Used Car Manager: Well, Internet's just a bunch of nerdy kids and all that. Goin' on there and bullshittin'. Wastin' time. Playin' games.
Me: Well, no. There are more demographics to the Internet than that.
Used Car Manager: Everyone I know that fucks around on the Internet is some geeky kid, man. E-mail's alright and checking news, but spending hours and hours on it? Come on, how about meetin' some ladies or something.
Me: There's more to it than that. Politics. Hobbyists. My best friend met his wife online.
Used Car Manager: Whatever, 99% of the Internet is fuckin' thirteen year old losers.
Me: I disagree, I think there's a lot of normal, everyday people on the net--its like a big city, very diverse, all sorts of people.
Used Car Manager: You're saying that most of the Internet is, what? Hot chicks and long-dick boys next door? Please.
Me: That's not what I said. I don't think its all hot chicks and long-dick boys next door, no.
Used Car Manager: Look, it ain't made up of the girl next door and the Prom King... it's all geeks without lives, man.
Me: I disagree.
Used Car Manager: You don't know shit.
Me: Alright. I still disagree.
Work, drive, phone, buddy on the phone...
Buddy: ...so, that's why I think McCain is the best thing for this country.
Me: Because he'll win the war?
Buddy: Yup. Man's a war hero.
Me: I think there's more to what a good President is that the ability to win Iraq, even if I thought it were winnable (which, I'm sorry, but I don't).
Buddy: You don't think we can win in Iraq?
Me: Nope.
Buddy: So, what, you don't support the troops?
Me: Sure I do, I just don't think we can win that war.
Buddy: *five minute tirade about how we should win and need to win and have to win and how the Muslims might come over here and etc.*
Me: But none of that has anything to do with whether we can win or not. My point is that I don't think we can.
Buddy: So, you're voting for Hillary.
Me: No. That's not what I said, either. I said I don't think we can win Iraq.
Buddy: Why not?
Me: *explanation of how we can't afford to wage a long enough war to squelch all dissidents in the region indefinitely, and how we have a historically poor time at guerilla warfare*
Buddy: So, you're a Democrat.
Me: No, I just don't think we can win in Iraq.
Buddy: You don't think its possible for us to win in Iraq?
Me: No, its possible, I just don't think we will.
Buddy: So you admit its possible, but you just said you didn't think we could so you're saying its impossible.
Me: *explains the nature of opinion and fact, and possibility as a function of knowledge and belief*
Buddy: So its technically possible to win.
Me: Yes, and possible we can lose.
Buddy: But we won't lose.
Me: I think we will, it is possible.
Buddy: Its /not/ possible, we have McCain.
Me: He isn't President yet, I'm just saying its possible we will lose--I also think that we will lose.
Buddy: *extensive lecture on McCain's service record*
Me: But that doesn't make it impossible that we will lose, and I gravitate toward thinking we will.
Buddy: How?
Me: *gives basic scenario how we can lose*
Buddy: So, technically we might lose?
Me: Yes.
Buddy: Well, fuck... technically ANYTHING's possible, so what?
Me: So, its a possibility I just believe. And, no, not anything is possible.
Buddy: Yeah-huh. Anything.
Me: Nevermind.
Home, dinner, work, visits, feed animals, call chickie, Internets... web... forums....
UserTed: Obama is the WORST thing that could happen to this country...
UserFred: The county won't fix that road because they hate white people and its a predominantly black county so they just want revenge...
UserDana: Muslims want to kill America...
UserJane: Catholics are all pedophiles...
UserTroy: Bush is a great conservative...
UserJoan: If its true for me, then its true...
UserDan: There's never a good reason to putt down an animal...
UserPaul: Chistianity is the most destructive force on earth...
UserLana: A recession isn't possible...
UserFiona: If you vote blue, you hate America...
UserFrank: If you vote red, you hate America...
*sigh*
PM...?
*click*
Anonymous: I saw what you wrote, and I agree. Thanks for saying it, I don't think I want to get everyone mad at me, though--they don't seem to want anyone disagreeing with them in any way.
Me: Thanks.
Bednaptime.
General Manager: Alright, ya'll. Sales are down, so we need to do our job better, I want thirty cars out today--we only did twenty on Saturday.
Group of Managers (me included): Sure, yeah, alright, no problem, great, etc.
General Manager: Now, are you promising me thirty?
Group of Managers (without me): Sure, yeah, alright, no problem, great, etc.
Me: Nope.
General Manager: Why not?
Me: I can't make it rain. Traffic might be slow, its a Monday--Saturday is the highest traffic day and it wasn't thirty. We're not running any unique ads.
General Manager: But we need thirty, so that's just what we gotta do.
Me: O.k.
General Manager: How many are we going to do?
Me: Ten.
General Manager: But we need thirty.
Me: You didn't ask me how many we needed, you asked me how many I thought we were going to do. Honestly, sales have been down for three months--we've never hit the daily goal, so I don't think we're likely to.
General Manager: Well, we need to. Your department needs to get me eight of those today.
Me. O.k.
General Manager: Are you going to do it?
Me: I'll try.
General Manager: That's not what I asked, I said are you going to?
Me: Probably not.
General Manager: Either you will or you won't.
Me: That's a false dichotomy, given that I'm predicting there is an option of "it is possible to and possible not to" and I can't accurately assert I will or won't. Too many variables to be certain.
General Manager: Go to work. Ya'll need to do thirty.
Me: O.k.
Work, work, work, get called in to help a salesperson with a sale...
Salesperson: The customer wants to buy that Tahoe over there, but she only wants to pay $699 a month for it.
Me: So, what's the problem?
Salesperson: I think she can pay more.
Me: And she says she can't?
Salesperson: Yeah. But, she looks like money, I'm sure she can pay more.
Me: *crunches numbers* So, we're making good money on $699 and you want to pump her for more money because you think there's more?
Salesperson: Yeah. I know it. She'll pay $800.
Me: Or, she may only be able to pay $699.
Salesperson: If she says six, she can do eight.
Me: Or, she could be saying six because she can do six--there is the chance, here, that she's being honest.
Salesperson: No there isn't.
Me: There's no chance that she's being honest?
Salesperson: Four out of five of these people can pay more.
Me: So, there's a chance that she's being honest?
Salesperson: No.
Me: Even though one out of five is being honest?
Salesperson: But she's not, so there's no chance.
Me: *signs the paperwork* Take the deal, do the paperwork, move on--sell another car.
Salesperson: *mumbles that I won't listen to logic*
Work, work, work, go outside for a cigarette...
Used Car Manager: How's Internet doing?
Me: Good, got two out today. Used?
Used Car Manager: Three. Shit day.
Me: Yup.
Used Car Manager: You know, I don't see how you do that Internet shit.
Me: Fastest growing segement of car sales.
Used Car Manager: Naw, Naw, I mean, like, go on there and fool around and shit. You ain't a computer geek or nothin'.
Me: How is that relevant?
Used Car Manager: Well, Internet's just a bunch of nerdy kids and all that. Goin' on there and bullshittin'. Wastin' time. Playin' games.
Me: Well, no. There are more demographics to the Internet than that.
Used Car Manager: Everyone I know that fucks around on the Internet is some geeky kid, man. E-mail's alright and checking news, but spending hours and hours on it? Come on, how about meetin' some ladies or something.
Me: There's more to it than that. Politics. Hobbyists. My best friend met his wife online.
Used Car Manager: Whatever, 99% of the Internet is fuckin' thirteen year old losers.
Me: I disagree, I think there's a lot of normal, everyday people on the net--its like a big city, very diverse, all sorts of people.
Used Car Manager: You're saying that most of the Internet is, what? Hot chicks and long-dick boys next door? Please.
Me: That's not what I said. I don't think its all hot chicks and long-dick boys next door, no.
Used Car Manager: Look, it ain't made up of the girl next door and the Prom King... it's all geeks without lives, man.
Me: I disagree.
Used Car Manager: You don't know shit.
Me: Alright. I still disagree.
Work, drive, phone, buddy on the phone...
Buddy: ...so, that's why I think McCain is the best thing for this country.
Me: Because he'll win the war?
Buddy: Yup. Man's a war hero.
Me: I think there's more to what a good President is that the ability to win Iraq, even if I thought it were winnable (which, I'm sorry, but I don't).
Buddy: You don't think we can win in Iraq?
Me: Nope.
Buddy: So, what, you don't support the troops?
Me: Sure I do, I just don't think we can win that war.
Buddy: *five minute tirade about how we should win and need to win and have to win and how the Muslims might come over here and etc.*
Me: But none of that has anything to do with whether we can win or not. My point is that I don't think we can.
Buddy: So, you're voting for Hillary.
Me: No. That's not what I said, either. I said I don't think we can win Iraq.
Buddy: Why not?
Me: *explanation of how we can't afford to wage a long enough war to squelch all dissidents in the region indefinitely, and how we have a historically poor time at guerilla warfare*
Buddy: So, you're a Democrat.
Me: No, I just don't think we can win in Iraq.
Buddy: You don't think its possible for us to win in Iraq?
Me: No, its possible, I just don't think we will.
Buddy: So you admit its possible, but you just said you didn't think we could so you're saying its impossible.
Me: *explains the nature of opinion and fact, and possibility as a function of knowledge and belief*
Buddy: So its technically possible to win.
Me: Yes, and possible we can lose.
Buddy: But we won't lose.
Me: I think we will, it is possible.
Buddy: Its /not/ possible, we have McCain.
Me: He isn't President yet, I'm just saying its possible we will lose--I also think that we will lose.
Buddy: *extensive lecture on McCain's service record*
Me: But that doesn't make it impossible that we will lose, and I gravitate toward thinking we will.
Buddy: How?
Me: *gives basic scenario how we can lose*
Buddy: So, technically we might lose?
Me: Yes.
Buddy: Well, fuck... technically ANYTHING's possible, so what?
Me: So, its a possibility I just believe. And, no, not anything is possible.
Buddy: Yeah-huh. Anything.
Me: Nevermind.
Home, dinner, work, visits, feed animals, call chickie, Internets... web... forums....
UserTed: Obama is the WORST thing that could happen to this country...
UserFred: The county won't fix that road because they hate white people and its a predominantly black county so they just want revenge...
UserDana: Muslims want to kill America...
UserJane: Catholics are all pedophiles...
UserTroy: Bush is a great conservative...
UserJoan: If its true for me, then its true...
UserDan: There's never a good reason to putt down an animal...
UserPaul: Chistianity is the most destructive force on earth...
UserLana: A recession isn't possible...
UserFiona: If you vote blue, you hate America...
UserFrank: If you vote red, you hate America...
*sigh*
PM...?
*click*
Anonymous: I saw what you wrote, and I agree. Thanks for saying it, I don't think I want to get everyone mad at me, though--they don't seem to want anyone disagreeing with them in any way.
Me: Thanks.
Bednaptime.