A complex question around Prostitution, forced sex, and subspace.

[ClosetedEroticist]

Looking for some help on a complex topic that I’m working on for some erotica I’m writing, and I’m trying to make sure that what I’m writing is somewhat true to reality.

My story revolved around a woman who works for herself as an escort and the complex mental state of women surviving through that lifestyle. What I’m fascinated by is the complex workings of a woman who allows men to use her body for their pleasure, and how she copes with those times where those cross over the boundaries of consent.

I’m well aware of the phenomenon of ‘Subspace’ and how that all works when done in a safe environment amongst consenting adults. But I’ve also heard some rape survivors talk about how as a defense mechanism fall into a passive, trance-like state and ride out their abuse instead of continuing to fight it. I’m fascinated by the idea of an older woman, after having spent years in sex work, certainly having multiple run-ins with being raped and abused, that over time, that sensation corrupts her into almost being willing to be used in a non-consenting way in order to descend into an almost Subspace-like trance. Maybe something so corrupting that lost in the trauma and distress, she almost believes that she likes being raped.

I see it almost like with her more trusted clients, she allows herself to become a free use fuck toy in order to get back to that traumatic place where she was when she has been raped in the past, because those times paradoxically produced the most intense orgasms and sensations for her.

I don’t want to belabor the point, and end up in circular logic. Obviously any form of non-consensual sex is rape, and by no means do I believe in victim blaming, or thinking that a guy saying “she wants it” means she actually wants it. I am fascinated by how women in sex work cope in these intense situations and hope I can get some help in understanding how to write this out.

 

[Dearelliot]

My pro, Mistress, 60 yrs old, $300bucks an hour, she has no problem kneeling for the money..or she can clean houses for $20 bucks an hour, and clean toilets for 15hrs and pay tax on it.

 

[Escierto]

Looking for some help on a complex topic that I’m working on for some erotica I’m writing, and I’m trying to make sure that what I’m writing is somewhat true to reality.

My story revolved around a woman who works for herself as an escort and the complex mental state of women surviving through that lifestyle. What I’m fascinated by is the complex workings of a woman who allows men to use her body for their pleasure, and how she copes with those times where those cross over the boundaries of consent.

I’m well aware of the phenomenon of ‘Subspace’ and how that all works when done in a safe environment amongst consenting adults. But I’ve also heard some rape survivors talk about how as a defense mechanism fall into a passive, trance-like state and ride out their abuse instead of continuing to fight it. I’m fascinated by the idea of an older woman, after having spent years in sex work, certainly having multiple run-ins with being raped and abused, that over time, that sensation corrupts her into almost being willing to be used in a non-consenting way in order to descend into an almost Subspace-like trance. Maybe something so corrupting that lost in the trauma and distress, she almost believes that she likes being raped.

I see it almost like with her more trusted clients, she allows herself to become a free use fuck toy in order to get back to that traumatic place where she was when she has been raped in the past, because those times paradoxically produced the most intense orgasms and sensations for her.

I don’t want to belabor the point, and end up in circular logic. Obviously any form of non-consensual sex is rape, and by no means do I believe in victim blaming, or thinking that a guy saying “she wants it” means she actually wants it. I am fascinated by how women in sex work cope in these intense situations and hope I can get some help in understanding how to write this out.

Plenty of women have written memoirs detailing their years working in the world's oldest profession.

 

[cascadiabound]

Having survived a violent and traumatic rape many many years ago, I do not think that the protective mechanism of protective numbness/freezing or whatever other terms might be applied to the simple act of surviving such an attack, (sometimes the best way to get out alive, objectively), and subspace are at all the same. These are not (in my experience) analogous emotional/mental states.

I think you might find a more resonant story if you have a woman/sex worker who has been traumatized many times and who on some level believes she *deserves* whatever she gets, and works to take her emotional power back by articulating a desire for or just placing herself in non-con situations or seeking out such situations as a way to further prove to herself that this is exactly what she ought to get. Or some such.

I'll be curious what other feedback you get.

 

[ClosetedEroticist]

I think you might find a more resonant story if you have a woman/sex worker who has been traumatized many times and who on some level believes she *deserves* whatever she gets, and works to take her emotional power back by articulating a desire for or just placing herself in non-con situations or seeking out such situations as a way to further prove to herself that this is exactly what she ought to get. Or some such.

I'll be curious what other feedback you get.

Not only does that give me the angle I’m looking for, it also helps explain why I’m fascinated with this type of situation and playing it out.

Without getting into too much personal information, I recently found out I have OCD. Part of what I learned about it going through therapy is that whatever your obsessions or compulsions are, they are based around a belief you have about yourself, and because your mind is predisposed to obsess over it, it feeds into this imaginary story that you believe wholeheartedly, but isn’t real.

So as a hypersexual male, I have sometimes wondered how I would have turned out if I was a woman. I feel like being hypersexual, I would have at some point ended up in sex work, and down the rabbit hole I go.

What I imagine as a hypothetical woman who suffers from OCD, involved in sex work, and already have a belief that everything is my fault, and that I just make a mess of everything, that would be a very dangerous cocktail. Like you pointed out, I’d already be predisposed to believe I deserve it, that I provoked the men into raping me, and maybe go so far as to believe I like being raped.

 

[Phatfeet]

Prostitution has always interested me too, though I am not sure why. I guess because its more of an urban thing. I live far removed from that. Even in rural terms I live incredibly isolated so I think that is where my interest lies… curious of the unknown.

I think the reality of prostitution is that it’s done as a means to feed an addiction of sorts; drugs and alcohol primarily. While that is not always the case of course, I think the ratio to people doing it for drugs and alcohol versus just doing it for extra money, is going to be really lopsided in real life. I only know of one true rape victim and I think she uses alcohol as a means to temper the horrific memory though she is not a prostitute. For others, I remember a 1990’s HBO Documentary on prostitution called Hunts Point where a prostitute said she once TRIED to do prostitution sober and she could just not do it.

It goes without saying that I think the overarching need for drugs is tragic to the very core. It also goes without saying that human trafficking does too, and sadly is another reality of prostitution. There was a young woman who went missing from a cruise ship and years later a prostitute told a US Marine her name, and she was that missing woman. When the US military, FBI and CIA went to go find her, she was sadly gone, obviously a kidnapped, trafficked and forced into prostitution woman.

But another good subject study that is less dire is Suzy Favor Hamilton, a Gold Medal Olympian who was married, had a child and with her husband’s blessing, worked as a Las Vegas call-girl. Because of the unique dynamics, its interesting research why all those things came together for her. She took full responsibility for her actions, only saying antidrpression drugs gave her a super strong libido.

 

[Phatfeet]

My feeling is that prostitution is way more common than people think.

Something like 1/3 of women have some form of prostitution fantasy. I think that stems from a western culture where the idea of getting paid for sex should be shameful, and hey, don’t we all like to wonder what it would like to do something we are told we shouldn’t? And for the wife that is having free sex with her husband and has for thirty years, is it wrong for her to dream of a wealthy businessman willing to shell out thousands of dollars just to have sex with HER? I can easily see why so many fantasize about paid sex. Money gives anything a value after all.

But in actually having paid sex? In the IRS definition of it, prostitution can be by bartering too. I am sure more than one college woman has helped ease the sting of a car repair by spending some time with the mechanic in the back room. Or as I saw myself, women getting very reduced prices for an appliance needing replacement. Twenty minutes with the owner of the store alone was all that was needed.

So I think it happens a lot, but as the taboo of it breaks down, it will happen more and more.

 

[AprilTwenties]

As a prossie myself, boo, I find that all the constant sex does keep me on edge a lot. It's a big high. I'm a sub to a very dominant madame who has pushed me into this lifestyle. The money is enticing but I give it all to her anyways - part of my kink I guess.

In the last 14 years I've made £1.4 million for her. Proud of that.

There's many types of people enter the business. Some forced, some coerced and some freely.

A x

 

[JodyLynn]

I was a sex worker for many years until I found it became to much and settled down. I can say I enjoyed the power that came with men paying me for their satisfaction. There did come a point where no matter how much money I would not do some of the kinks.
I was not on drugs or drinking, I did it to survivor. I only had one really bad situation that terrified me and it was 3 men locking me in a room at a party. I still do not know how I survived that one, maybe blocking it out. That was many years ago. I believe sex work should be legalized so all workers are safer.
Now that I say that, maybe I should get back into a speciality field.

 

[Nicefella]

I am
Sorry to hear that. It sounds terrifying.

 

[AprilTwenties]

As one Ho to another, boo. Sorry to hear that.

A x

 

[ClosetedEroticist]

I was a sex worker for many years until I found it became to much and settled down. I can say I enjoyed the power that came with men paying me for their satisfaction. There did come a point where no matter how much money I would not do some of the kinks.
I was not on drugs or drinking, I did it to survivor. I only had one really bad situation that terrified me and it was 3 men locking me in a room at a party. I still do not know how I survived that one, maybe blocking it out. That was many years ago. I believe sex work should be legalized so all workers are safer.
Now that I say that, maybe I should get back into a speciality field.

Thank you for sharing that.

 

[abvt75]

I was a sex worker for many years until I found it became to much and settled down. I can say I enjoyed the power that came with men paying me for their satisfaction. There did come a point where no matter how much money I would not do some of the kinks.
I was not on drugs or drinking, I did it to survivor. I only had one really bad situation that terrified me and it was 3 men locking me in a room at a party. I still do not know how I survived that one, maybe blocking it out. That was many years ago. I believe sex work should be legalized so all workers are safer.
Now that I say that, maybe I should get back into a speciality field.

@JodyLynn that is terrifying . Sorry you lived through it. I can’t understand these assholes …. How much can list take over your mind that you forget basic decency.

 

[PaxNurgle]

The main moral hang-up I have about prostitution is the fact that many of those who engage in it as "providers" are not doing so out of their free will. I would not enjoy being with a woman who I believed was being trafficked- because I know that my enjoyment would be at the expense of her suffering. This is partly why, on the few occasions (which have been rare) that I have paid for "Companionship" it has been with independent pro-dommes- with the understanding that they are in charge of everything that takes place. (The other part being, I want to kneel and SUBMIT and would vastly prefer a dominant female to a "Vanilla" sex partner!) But either way, I was taught from a very young age to be respectful above all- to everyone, especially someone with whom I want to be intimate!

 

[AprilTwenties]

There's a percentage, boo, that are obviously trafficked. But there's many more, like myself, that do so because it's what we like to do...in whatever perverse form that takes. I s'pose, from the punter, it can be hard to tell the wood from the trees.

A x

 

[SomeBliss]

Looking for some help on a complex topic that I’m working on for some erotica I’m writing, and I’m trying to make sure that what I’m writing is somewhat true to reality.

My story revolved around a woman who works for herself as an escort and the complex mental state of women surviving through that lifestyle. What I’m fascinated by is the complex workings of a woman who allows men to use her body for their pleasure, and how she copes with those times where those cross over the boundaries of consent.

I’m well aware of the phenomenon of ‘Subspace’ and how that all works when done in a safe environment amongst consenting adults. But I’ve also heard some rape survivors talk about how as a defense mechanism fall into a passive, trance-like state and ride out their abuse instead of continuing to fight it. I’m fascinated by the idea of an older woman, after having spent years in sex work, certainly having multiple run-ins with being raped and abused, that over time, that sensation corrupts her into almost being willing to be used in a non-consenting way in order to descend into an almost Subspace-like trance. Maybe something so corrupting that lost in the trauma and distress, she almost believes that she likes being raped.

I see it almost like with her more trusted clients, she allows herself to become a free use fuck toy in order to get back to that traumatic place where she was when she has been raped in the past, because those times paradoxically produced the most intense orgasms and sensations for her.

I don’t want to belabor the point, and end up in circular logic. Obviously any form of non-consensual sex is rape, and by no means do I believe in victim blaming, or thinking that a guy saying “she wants it” means she actually wants it. I am fascinated by how women in sex work cope in these intense situations and hope I can get some help in understanding how to write this out.

Yes...years of child abuse and a rape...there is a place I would go...disassociated state...where I was aware of what was happening to my body, but didn't feel anything...no emotion. It is like taking the things I don't like and putting them in a box to deal with later--or deal with never ever. I'm not a prostitute...nor do I wish to be one...but I imagine perhaps it is similar? Reminds me of strippers...who are almost all victims of child abuse...and I think they may disassociate. I had a good friend who was a stripper and could only do it while drunk...what's interesting to me is that I love being dominated...and that seems counterintuitive in some ways...I don't know...the brain is a mysterious thing...we are programmed through our experiences and then have to deal with society telling us how what we are is bad...IDK...thought provoking, anyway...did you write your story? Publish it?

 

[ClosetedEroticist]

Yes...years of child abuse and a rape...there is a place I would go...disassociated state...where I was aware of what was happening to my body, but didn't feel anything...no emotion. It is like taking the things I don't like and putting them in a box to deal with later--or deal with never ever. I'm not a prostitute...nor do I wish to be one...but I imagine perhaps it is similar? Reminds me of strippers...who are almost all victims of child abuse...and I think they may disassociate. I had a good friend who was a stripper and could only do it while drunk...what's interesting to me is that I love being dominated...and that seems counterintuitive in some ways...I don't know...the brain is a mysterious thing...we are programmed through our experiences and then have to deal with society telling us how what we are is bad...IDK...thought provoking, anyway...did you write your story? Publish it?

First off, I can’t imagine going through all of that. I had a lot of trauma growing up, but nothing on that level. Hugs from across the internet. Thank you for sharing.

I haven’t published it yet. I intend to, but it’s something I’m still working on. I have a lot of things going on, like I’m in the middle of a divorce.

This part is also much more technical, but as a software developer, I’m trying to write my erotica with the help of AI, mostly having it write me the skeleton of the story and then go back and edit it and fix it to have a coherent voice, and I’m working on it.

Not to mention that it’s kinda difficult for me to focus on it because I have this nasty tendency to need to masturbate while I’m writing erotica.

 

[SomeBliss]

Thanks for the hugs! It's cool...I am what I am...as Popeye would say...

Interesting. I never thought of having AI help me write erotica...I think I will try it!

 

[ClosetedEroticist]

One thing to note is that Literotica will apparently deny AI written stories. I’m mostly using it for making the first draft and handling all the filler, then editing it so that it’s my writing, so just be careful with that.

 

[Phatfeet]

One thing to note is that Literotica will apparently deny AI written stories. I’m mostly using it for making the first draft and handling all the filler, then editing it so that it’s my writing, so just be careful with that.

That is such a shame and pains me to hear. It will forever be a crutch for you instead of practicing word smithing by yourself from the start and being a better writer for it.

Eroticism is very hard to write and if it is mastered can really put people on a wonderful trajectory in life to write other things.

 

[HarleyQuim]

Looking for some help on a complex topic that I’m working on for some erotica I’m writing, and I’m trying to make sure that what I’m writing is somewhat true to reality.

My story revolved around a woman who works for herself as an escort and the complex mental state of women surviving through that lifestyle. What I’m fascinated by is the complex workings of a woman who allows men to use her body for their pleasure, and how she copes with those times where those cross over the boundaries of consent.

I’m well aware of the phenomenon of ‘Subspace’ and how that all works when done in a safe environment amongst consenting adults. But I’ve also heard some rape survivors talk about how as a defense mechanism fall into a passive, trance-like state and ride out their abuse instead of continuing to fight it. I’m fascinated by the idea of an older woman, after having spent years in sex work, certainly having multiple run-ins with being raped and abused, that over time, that sensation corrupts her into almost being willing to be used in a non-consenting way in order to descend into an almost Subspace-like trance. Maybe something so corrupting that lost in the trauma and distress, she almost believes that she likes being raped.

I see it almost like with her more trusted clients, she allows herself to become a free use fuck toy in order to get back to that traumatic place where she was when she has been raped in the past, because those times paradoxically produced the most intense orgasms and sensations for her.

I don’t want to belabor the point, and end up in circular logic. Obviously any form of non-consensual sex is rape, and by no means do I believe in victim blaming, or thinking that a guy saying “she wants it” means she actually wants it. I am fascinated by how women in sex work cope in these intense situations and hope I can get some help in understanding how to write this out.

The statute of limitations is long gone but I’ve had been paid twice for sex and then later on a little cam work during the pandemic.

both true prostitution experiences were couples looking for a third and I think I under charged. This was very tame compared to experiences other women have had where they aren’t selective because they have pimps or are desperate for money because of addiction or extreme poverty.

Both couples were nice enough and they showed me tests and I did likewise but I didn’t like it. As soon as my clothes got off it was a job. They told me everything they wanted before hand and that’s what I did. I faked my orgasms for them, mostly to be done with them faster. I just shut off and played a role. I’ve compartmentalized the experiences and I think of them more as part of my employment history than my sex life.

Doing can work was partly fun. I wore a mask, a nice one, and felt like someone else performing. Pandemic lockdown emotional turmoil was probably part of that. I stopped when I realized my very few clients were getting bored and I’d have to go more extreme with the shows or market more. I didn’t want to do either of those so I stopped.

 

[AprilTwenties]

The mind is a wonderful thing boo.

I was never forced myself, but agreed to willingly. My initial stance was that I wanted to be a prossie like my owner, and agreed to that, but when my 'training' began I was far from agreeable. Coaxed is too subtle, forced is too extreme. Somewhere in the middle.

Multiple sex partners, bareback, multiple times. Under the influence of drugs mainly.

With being put out to work the streets by my owner, I'd have to have sex with all. Some not so pretty, some lovely.

I'd find, and I still do, the repulsiveness of going with someone that I don't physically like would send me off into some imagination thing. Same with all the sex work I do, boo.

The more repulsive the more I'm in this scenario where I'm rutting in the back of the car and thinking of how my owner would react to me giving her the money that I have earned.

Twisted shit? For sure. It gets me excited though.

A x

 

[Yinyen]

Looking for some help on a complex topic that I’m working on for some erotica I’m writing, and I’m trying to make sure that what I’m writing is somewhat true to reality.

My story revolved around a woman who works for herself as an escort and the complex mental state of women surviving through that lifestyle. What I’m fascinated by is the complex workings of a woman who allows men to use her body for their pleasure, and how she copes with those times where those cross over the boundaries of consent.

I’m well aware of the phenomenon of ‘Subspace’ and how that all works when done in a safe environment amongst consenting adults. But I’ve also heard some rape survivors talk about how as a defense mechanism fall into a passive, trance-like state and ride out their abuse instead of continuing to fight it. I’m fascinated by the idea of an older woman, after having spent years in sex work, certainly having multiple run-ins with being raped and abused, that over time, that sensation corrupts her into almost being willing to be used in a non-consenting way in order to descend into an almost Subspace-like trance. Maybe something so corrupting that lost in the trauma and distress, she almost believes that she likes being raped.

I see it almost like with her more trusted clients, she allows herself to become a free use fuck toy in order to get back to that traumatic place where she was when she has been raped in the past, because those times paradoxically produced the most intense orgasms and sensations for her.

I don’t want to belabor the point, and end up in circular logic. Obviously any form of non-consensual sex is rape, and by no means do I believe in victim blaming, or thinking that a guy saying “she wants it” means she actually wants it. I am fascinated by how women in sex work cope in these intense situations and hope I can get some help in understanding how to write this out.

Why does this story resonate with my soul?

 

[Dearelliot]

I'm older married for many many years, and for years using sites like AFF etc, I answered ads from women and swinger couples. As I was an older married man asking to meet alone, I didn't have much to offer, so I offered money.
I met several women swinging ladies who wanted to try their hand at being a pro..and they all were better than the pros, and a couple of them went on to go public with their offering.
and I never remember what and where I post so I may have said this earlier.

 

[Escierto]

and I never remember what and where I post so I may have said this earlier.

Don't worry about it. Everyone repeats themselves!