A cleaner, safer, faker happiness.

[Black_Bird]

When I was going to highschool, I was surrounded by individuals who judged people a great deal on there surface appearance, lived for simple pleasures, and didn't care to see if there was anything deeper then this weekend's drinking party.

I rebelled against that, I wouldn't have anything to do with it. I thought they were all just looking to escape the reality of themselves and their lives. I was a pretty pessimistic person at that point in my life. I was angry and the way I expressed that anger was to shut out all those who I felt already had shut me out.

... Now I get to thinking; I'm away from all that now. I see people still indulging in their fake happiness, but I also see a great deal of suffering. I've begun to realize that you can only expect so much truth from a person before they can no longer handle it. They feel exposed, so they put up a front. You can't blame them; they are only doing what they feel they have to.

You can only expect so much from a humanbeing before she retreats to the safer, cleaner and faker version of happiness.

 

[Guest]

 

[Rubyfruit]

Pardon me, BB, but who are you to say what constitutes another's happiness?

 

[Black_Bird]

More ass then class? Well, I think that's a mighty classy ass you got there.

(See? I'm doing it... Hiding my true emotions behind a cloud of flirtation. BAH - I just want a peice! )

 

[Elizabeth]

Pardon me, BB, but who are you to say what constitutes another's happiness?

<running into this thread really, really fast!!!!>
Fuck...Ruby, ya beat me to it.

 

[Black_Bird]

Pardon me, BB, but who are you to say what constitutes another's happiness?

I'm not speaking about true happiness... I'm talking about how we avoid our problems by hiding in certian vices.

I'm making an observation of the way I think. I'm not judging anybody.

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

Pardon Pardon me, BB, but who are you to say what constitutes another's happiness?

"Judge not, lest ye be judged." I read that some where. It was a good book, kind of an anthology and a best seller, alhtough the continuity was sometimes a little shaky.

RF

 

[Rubyfruit]

I'm not judging anybody.

Yes you are.

 

[Black_Bird]

Yes you are.

No I am not.

It's a reevaluation of a former judgement that I once made, that I now see as false.

 

[Rubyfruit]

You can only expect so much from a humanbeing before she retreats to the safer, cleaner and faker version of happiness.

"faker" isn't a judgment?

Maybe she simply doesn't want to expose herself to you.

I'm not slamming you, BB. I don't know you well enough for that.

However, this post sounds very "holier than thou" to me. As if you've reached a point of enlightenment that your companion hasn't.

 

[Black_Bird]

Re: Re: A cleaner, safer, faker happiness.

"faker" isn't a judgment?

Perhaps it's a poor choice of words... I was chatting a bit with PCG and she did a better job summing up what's on my mind then I did when she said: "I was thinking that you were saying you used to fault people for their retreat into 'safety' and now, you realize why they do it?"

Funny how someone can look at your words and then sum it all up in one sentance.

Maybe she simply doesn't want to expose herself to you.

She is metaphorical.

I'm not slamming you, BB. I don't know you well enough for that. However, this post sounds very "holier than thou" to me. As if you've reached a point of enlightenment that your companion hasn't.

I realized you weren't slamming me.

As for sounding "holier then thou?" I don't think I am... because in realizing why, I also have realized that I've done it as well. It's all about defense mechanisms and how we deal with pain...

 

[scylis]

shouldn't that be "more fake?"

and it is a fake happiness.

the more i think about it, the more i wonder if there really is a true happiness out there in the world, whether it's for me or for others. frankly, i don't think the human brain can take it for very long.

 

[Starfish]

If you think about the meaning behind this post, then you'll see it not as a judgement, but a refelction of how many deal with the truth.

If someone is truely happy with themselves, they will not refrain from dealing with the truths of life. That is a fact.

I face the truth everyday. It is harsh, and it is sometimes enough to make you cry for hours. Let the tears dripping down my cheeks right now prove it.

BUT! Deep down inside, I am truely happy because I am enlightened by the fact that no matter what, I don't need to deny the truth to be comfortable and what some call 'happy'.


Sure, those people are happy and content. It doesn't mean that it is the kind of happiness they have is condusive to mental health or their being able to handle the truth when it is put before them.

That is why it is called denial.

 

[riff]

BB

So many things are already said for us....

Na.... na na nananana... nananana... Hey Jude....
Na.... na na nananana... nananana... Hey Jude....

Don't look at me.... I hate gated communities. Yeah. I'm the guy that goes in the middle of the night and spay paints "FUCK THIS. EAT THE RICH!" on the walls around them so that kids can see it on their way to school.

 

[SilverVeil]

BB...

I still see that happening in some places. And my high school was the same.
I understand what you mean.

 

[Black_Bird]

the more i think about it, the more i wonder if there really is a true happiness out there in the world, whether it's for me or for others. frankly, i don't think the human brain can take it for very long.

Now that's even more pessimistic then I've ever been; of course there is real happiness. The problem is, we define happiness as being completely trouble free. Humanbeings thrive in trouble, without a little bit of it to keep us moving we wouldn't really be happy.

 

[Black_Bird]

Re: Re: A cleaner, safer, faker happiness.

Sure, those people are happy and content. It doesn't mean that it is the kind of happiness they have is condusive to mental health or their being able to handle the truth when it is put before them. That is why it is called denial.

Exactly; it is about mental health. It isn't easy handling the truth, and I think we all go though bouts of denial now and again. When someone gets stuck in denial, we have destructive behavior...

I've said it before: Fear causes all the pain in the world.

 

[kotori]

Re: A cleaner, safer, faker happiness

shouldn't that be "more fake?"

Yeah, I tried being a fakir, but I don't dance very well.

 

[Dragonette]

We deal with it in the best way

No one can be happy all the time, even within a virtual world!

I believe we cope as we do, the best way we can.
It's a reality bite, and I cope my own way!

Sure I get depressed and a misery sometimes, it's human!
But, I try to smile.

You specifically stated 'she'!

You can only expect so much from a humanbeing before she retreats to the safer, cleaner and faker version of happiness.

I have my refuge, in my own world, don't we all!
I am dragon, you are bird!

Real life exists and must be dealt with, but it is great to be able to escape!

Faulse maybe, but there is always truth within the words.

I know the difference, I have a mirror!

But I also know myself very well, I can fantasise, be happy, cheer up others, even when I am crying because life stinks!

So, of course I prefer virtual happiness to real life, don't we all!

Here we can be what ever be wish, but our own self come through anyway!

Booze, drugs etc it a worse way of escaping!
Now that is really a faulse way.

 

[on_the_verge]

Happiness and truth are like a revolving door. Sometimes the two get stuck together crossing into their destination. Other times thet fall out the same place they entered in an endless circle.

*Define truth*

 

[Dragonette]

Spinning in the revolving door

Happiness and truth are like a revolving door. Sometimes the two get stuck together crossing into their destination. Other times thet fall out the same place they entered in an endless circle.

*Define truth*

I won't even try to define that!

But truth and happiness are separate, my happiness at this moment is to sleep, forever, truth is I won't!

Oh now that is even tooooooo mixed up even for me!

Crawls to her cave!

 

[Black_Bird]

Re: We deal with it in the best way

You specifically stated 'she'!

Funny, if we use "he" as the pronoun of choice we automatically assume that it could be anyone, but if we use "she" it's assumed that the writer is speaking of a specific female.

*Shrugs* Such is society.

 

[Weevil]

When I was going to highschool, I was surrounded by individuals who judged people a great deal on there surface appearance, lived for simple pleasures, and didn't care to see if there was anything deeper then this weekend's drinking party.

See, this is my probs with the post. I didn't judge folk too much on their surface appearance, but I lived for fairly simple pleasures and had lots of fun at weekend parties, whether the invitation indicated it as a "drinking" party or otherwise.

My problem is that I wasn't retreating from anything in High School. I was living my life differently then you did and enjoying my life. You, for some reason, think my happiness(and I was happy) was fake, or some apparent attempt to deal with the shortcomings of my life by retreating into a world of the simple pleasures of beer, sports and girls.

And saying that makes you as judgemental and shallow as anyone who ever called you a freak or a weirdo for not wearing the right clothes or not playing football.

 

[Weevil]

Sorry, was a little angry when I quickly penned off that above there. Instead of "makes you as shallow and judgemental" I should have said "is as shallow and judgemental"

My apologies.

 

[Black_Bird]

Re: Re: A cleaner, safer, faker happiness.

See, this is my probs with the post. I didn't judge folk too much on their surface appearance, but I lived for fairly simple pleasures and had lots of fun at weekend parties, whether the invitation indicated it as a "drinking" party or otherwise.

My problem is that I wasn't retreating from anything in High School. I was living my life differently then you did and enjoying my life. You, for some reason, think my happiness(and I was happy) was fake, or some apparent attempt to deal with the shortcomings of my life by retreating into a world of the simple pleasures of beer, sports and girls.

Perhaps I wasn't talking about you?