A Case for Sterilization

[INSIDEYOURMIND]

Found this in the news today,
Mom Guilty of Rape for Arranging Daughter's Sex Date

September 22, 2005

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. — A woman pleaded guilty to second-degree rape for providing a hotel room and liquor so her 13-year-old daughter and a 14-year-old friend could have sex with two men they just met.

The woman, whose name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity, allegedly told investigators it was time for her daughter to "have sex and get it over with." The age of consent in New York is 17.

The mother, who lives in Sayville, took the girls to White Plains for an overnight shopping trip in April. The girls ran into the men -- Gilberto Gonzalez, 19, and Michael Berger, 18, -- at a mall, and the men went to the hotel where the mother and girls had taken a room.

The mother bought beer and hard lemonade for the teenagers and admitted Wednesday in court that she was with them in the hotel room when the sex occurred.

Judge Rory Bellantoni said he would sentence the woman to six months in jail if she convinces him during sentencing set for Oct. 26 that she understands the seriousness of the crime. Rape charges against the men are pending.

So what this Judge is saying, if she understands what she did was wrong, he will give her a lesser sentence. I guess before she did, she didn't understand that?

 

[DVS]

In my neck of the woods, there is a mother in jail for hiring a killer to murder her son. But, the worst of it were the terms she specified. Her son was to be taken out into the woods at gunpoint, then forced to dig his own grave before being shot dead. Nice mom, huh?

She has recently come up for parole, but family members are trying to keep her in. The way it looks now, she's staying in.

 

[graceanne]

And here in Oregon is the woman who put her sons in car seats, then pushed the car in a lake and let them drown. Why? Cause her current lover wasn't interested in marrying a woman who had kids.

And that is why I believe in the death penalty.

 

[DVS]

And here in Oregon is the woman who put her sons in car seats, then pushed the car in a lake and let them drown. Why? Cause her current lover wasn't interested in marrying a woman who had kids.

And that is why I believe in the death penalty.

Oh, I believe in it, too. But, there are those in the system who mess with evidence so they get a conviction. I think DNA testing should be manditory for all convicted of major crimes. And, that testing should be done by independent, totaly non-bias companies.

And, there is a recent local case where a 17 year old boy (animal) broke into a woman's house and duct taped her hand and foot. He stuffed her into the car, drove to a nearby bridge and threw her bound body over the side.

He didn't even know her, and picked her at random for his victim. He just wanted to see how it feels to kill someone. And he told a friend that he knew, because he was a juvenile, that he couldn't get the death penatly at his age. Sadly, he was right. He'll probably get out of prison when he's 21, with a clean record, to boot.

There should be certain courts for people like this...they get EXACTLY the same death as the innocents they killed. I don't care if they ARE underage. I knew what the value of life was, when I was that age.

 

[graceanne]

Oh, I believe in it, too. But, there are those in the system who mess with evidence so they get a conviction. I think DNA testing should be manditory for all convicted of major crimes. And, that testing should be done by independent, totaly non-bias companies.

And, there is a recent local case where a 17 year old boy (animal) broke into a woman's house and duct taped her hand and foot. He stuffed her into the car, drove to a nearby bridge and threw her bound body over the side.

He didn't even know her, and picked her at random for his victim. He just wanted to see how it feels to kill someone. And he told a friend that he knew, because he was a juvenile, that he couldn't get the death penatly at his age. Sadly, he was right. He'll probably get out of prison when he's 21, with a clean record, to boot.

There should be certain courts for people like this...they get EXACTLY the same death as the innocents they killed. I don't care if they ARE underage. I knew what the value of life was, when I was that age.

In Oregon 17 year olds are tried as adults if the crime is bad enough. I don't remember where the line is, but in truth . . . I think thta even 13 year olds are tried as adults if they do something like that. I could be wrong, but I know that someone was PUSHING for a law like that a while back. I don't recall if it passed (I was in highschool). But I know FOR SURE that 17 year olds are tried as adults.

 

[DVS]

In Oregon 17 year olds are tried as adults if the crime is bad enough. I don't remember where the line is, but in truth . . . I think thta even 13 year olds are tried as adults if they do something like that. I could be wrong, but I know that someone was PUSHING for a law like that a while back. I don't recall if it passed (I was in highschool). But I know FOR SURE that 17 year olds are tried as adults.

Well, in most states that's the law, because more and more kids are killing people.

I found this in the Internet. I haven't heard the latest. Several states are rethinking this, I guess.
Juvenile Death Penalty

The case was in Missouri, but Kansas (as well as some other states) have decided to review ALL of their death penalty decisions.

That decision included John Robinson, aka The barrel murderer, aka the SadoMaster killer who faked being a BDSM Master, drawing his victims in that way. Then he killed them and stuffed their bodies in barrels. He was on death row, but now he's just on life without parole.

I think they are talking it over, but who knows what those idiots will decide. I hope they figure something out before other kids decide it's cool to kill.

 

[graceanne]

Well, in most states that's the law, because more and more kids are killing people.

I found this in the Internet. I haven't heard the latest. Several states are rethinking this, I guess.
Juvenile Death Penalty

The case was in Missouri, but Kansas (as well as some other states) have decided to review ALL of their death penalty decisions.

That decision included John Robinson, aka The barrel murderer, aka the SadoMaster killer who faked being a BDSM Master, drawing his victims in that way. Then he killed them and stuffed their bodies in barrels. He was on death row, but now he's just on life without parole.

I think they are talking it over, but who knows what those idiots will decide. I hope they figure something out before other kids decide it's cool to kill.

Don't bet on it.

 

[INSIDEYOURMIND]

I think they are talking it over, but who knows what those idiots will decide. I hope they figure something out before other kids decide it's cool to kill.

I think it all depends on who makes the decisions too!


Oklahoma judge accused of using sexual device in court

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Allegations that a district court judge engaged in improper conduct involving sexual acts are false and are part of an effort to attack and embarrass him, his attorney said.
District Judge Donald Thompson violated the code of judicial conduct "by his repeated use of a device known as a penis pump during non-jury and jury trials in his courtroom and in the presence of court employees while serving in his capacity as a district judge," Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson wrote in a petition filed Wednesday with the Court of the Judiciary.

The sound of Thompson using the pump was heard by a number of witnesses, who said that the noise sounded "like air being pumped or released" from a blood pressure cuff.

Thompson, 57, hasn't been available for comment but his attorney, Clark Brewster, said Thursday that Thompson is "horrified" by the accusations.

"The whole genesis for the allegations involves a well-known courthouse joke," Brewster said. "About the time he turned 50, he was given a gag gift by a hunting buddy, a penis pump, in poor taste. It sat in the courthouse the past several years and was in various places."

Many of the lawyers and court personnel were aware of the pump, which became the butt of jokes, he said.

"The individuals that we believe are behind this attempt to embarrass the judge took that opportunity to blow it into a much more sinister set of allegations."

The petition also alleged that Thompson masturbated in view of his female court reporter during a number of court proceedings.

The judge admitted the penis pump was under the bench during a murder trial on Aug. 22 and at other times but denied using the device, Edmondson's petition states.

"A couple of police officers upset with rulings he made tried to make it something it was not," he said. "He's not going to tolerate these falsehoods."

Sapulpa police officers wouldn't comment on Brewster's statement Thursday. The officers, the police chief and court personnel are listed as witnesses who were present at a criminal trial in Thompson's court.

The attorney general said Thompson violated the code of judicial ethics that requires high standards of conduct, among other things. He also committed an offense involving moral turpitude, Edmondson alleges.

Lisa Foster, a court reporter for Thompson for 15 years, told investigators she witnessed the judge's sexual behavior "15 to 20 times."

She was fired after the judge heard she had cooperated with an investigation into his activities, Edmondson said.

Also fired was Zelma Hindman, the judge's secretary, who talked to investigators, Edmondson said.

"On one occasion, Thompson sent Hindman to run an errand and when she returned to the courtroom, she saw that Thompson had the pump in his lap," the complaint said. "He jumped when he saw her. Hindman thought she saw his penis."


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[Mysty61]

In Colorado we have a "cool mom". She wanted her kids to be popular as she never waas when in high school. So she had parties for the kids, and would give them drugs, and have sex with the boys. She was caught, convicted, convicted, and was to have been sentenced this past Monday. However, it seems that Sunday she was out in a car with some 14 year old girls, one of whom was driving. The girl ran the car off the road, flipped it, and caused severe injuries putting them in the hospital. Now they have a warrant out for the mother for failure to appear - which will probably be dismissed when she is released and has another court date set. Some people never learn. Makes you wonder what they have in their head for brains.

 

[Netzach]

I think it all depends on who makes the decisions too!


Oklahoma judge accused of using sexual device in court

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — Allegations that a district court judge engaged in improper conduct involving sexual acts are false and are part of an effort to attack and embarrass him, his attorney said.
District Judge Donald Thompson violated the code of judicial conduct "by his repeated use of a device known as a penis pump during non-jury and jury trials in his courtroom and in the presence of court employees while serving in his capacity as a district judge," Oklahoma Attorney General Drew Edmondson wrote in a petition filed Wednesday with the Court of the Judiciary.

The sound of Thompson using the pump was heard by a number of witnesses, who said that the noise sounded "like air being pumped or released" from a blood pressure cuff.

Thompson, 57, hasn't been available for comment but his attorney, Clark Brewster, said Thursday that Thompson is "horrified" by the accusations.

"The whole genesis for the allegations involves a well-known courthouse joke," Brewster said. "About the time he turned 50, he was given a gag gift by a hunting buddy, a penis pump, in poor taste. It sat in the courthouse the past several years and was in various places."

Many of the lawyers and court personnel were aware of the pump, which became the butt of jokes, he said.

"The individuals that we believe are behind this attempt to embarrass the judge took that opportunity to blow it into a much more sinister set of allegations."

The petition also alleged that Thompson masturbated in view of his female court reporter during a number of court proceedings.

The judge admitted the penis pump was under the bench during a murder trial on Aug. 22 and at other times but denied using the device, Edmondson's petition states.

"A couple of police officers upset with rulings he made tried to make it something it was not," he said. "He's not going to tolerate these falsehoods."

Sapulpa police officers wouldn't comment on Brewster's statement Thursday. The officers, the police chief and court personnel are listed as witnesses who were present at a criminal trial in Thompson's court.

The attorney general said Thompson violated the code of judicial ethics that requires high standards of conduct, among other things. He also committed an offense involving moral turpitude, Edmondson alleges.

Lisa Foster, a court reporter for Thompson for 15 years, told investigators she witnessed the judge's sexual behavior "15 to 20 times."

She was fired after the judge heard she had cooperated with an investigation into his activities, Edmondson said.

Also fired was Zelma Hindman, the judge's secretary, who talked to investigators, Edmondson said.

"On one occasion, Thompson sent Hindman to run an errand and when she returned to the courtroom, she saw that Thompson had the pump in his lap," the complaint said. "He jumped when he saw her. Hindman thought she saw his penis."


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Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

This is the same state in which dealing pot can result in the death penalty. Makes the wanking judge even scarier.

 

[chris9]

*wanders in carefully*
I think when children kill (or commit other bad crimes) something went wrong in their education. That's why I find it so important that especially the young ones get on some education plan instead of in prison so they get a chance in life.
And I'm against death penalty, no matter what.
*runs away fast before the Americans start throwing stones*

 

[graceanne]

In Colorado we have a "cool mom". She wanted her kids to be popular as she never waas when in high school. So she had parties for the kids, and would give them drugs, and have sex with the boys. She was caught, convicted, convicted, and was to have been sentenced this past Monday. However, it seems that Sunday she was out in a car with some 14 year old girls, one of whom was driving. The girl ran the car off the road, flipped it, and caused severe injuries putting them in the hospital. Now they have a warrant out for the mother for failure to appear - which will probably be dismissed when she is released and has another court date set. Some people never learn. Makes you wonder what they have in their head for brains.

Here their's a teacher who got pregnant by a 12 year old in her class. She was sent to jail and got out three years later. She was caught, shortly after, with the same kid (then 15). She just recently got out again - I think he's like 20 now - and they're getting married.

 

[Netzach]

Here their's a teacher who got pregnant by a 12 year old in her class. She was sent to jail and got out three years later. She was caught, shortly after, with the same kid (then 15). She just recently got out again - I think he's like 20 now - and they're getting married.

Oy vey. Worked for Jerry Lee Lewis I guess.

 

[sphynx's dragon]

*wanders in carefully*
I think when children kill (or commit other bad crimes) something went wrong in their education. That's why I find it so important that especially the young ones get on some education plan instead of in prison so they get a chance in life.
And I'm against death penalty, no matter what.
*runs away fast before the Americans start throwing stones*

I don't throw srones. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. I do agree especially for the younger ones that every effort should be made to rehabilitate them. Unfortunately, in this day and age true rehabilitation is virtually impossible as many prisoners are treated BETTER than people just trying to get by. They're taught by commiting crimes they end up getting taken care of. And yes before anyone spouts off, I HAVE been in prison. But I still believe we are honor bound to make the honest effort to rehabilitate them if possible. BUt on the other hand I believe in the death penalty. Especially in horribly violent crimes and repeat offenders. Once someone has PROVEN they are going that path then it's time to recycle, give the soul a fresh chance to correct itself to be able to move on. <shrug> Just my own opinion.

 

[Vixandra]

I am a strong believer in the death penalty.
Also a supporter of prison labor- put them to work. I fail to see why the general American populace should be paying for inmates if they're not working to help foot the bill.
But that's a whole 'nother thread together.

To the topic at hand- the origional post by InsideYourMind makes me shudder. I mean, what kind of idiot woman tells a 13 y/o to have sex and get on with it. That's just f'ed up.

I remember being 13, was no where near ready to be having sex and kids should NOT be taught that sex is just for the sake of having sex. Its supposed to be a loving exchange between two people not something to be simply gotten over with. *rants a bit more*

Its a truely sick sad world.

 

[Haku_Z]

I'll sit nice and cozy here in my little isolated suburban crater... knowing that the psychos here are either too shy to come out... or we just don't have any.

 

[Killishandra]

I'll sit nice and cozy here in my little isolated suburban crater... knowing that the psychos here are either too shy to come out... or we just don't have any.

or.....


alright, I won't go there.

 

[Haku_Z]

or.....


alright, I won't go there.

I had a feeling you would pop in and claim that i'm a psycho... so I kept it out of my post.

 

[FLButtSlut]

In most states, prosecution can petition to try a child as an adult, with I believe the cut off age usually being around 12. There are so many factors that play into that decision, we don't see them tried as adults as often as they probably should be.

A 17 year old is close enough to an adult that their "reasoning" is pretty well set, or hopefully since we are turning them loose on the world in another 12 months.

Personally, I believe in the death penalty, but only when there is not one miniscule shred of doubt that the person is guilty (Charles Manson comes to mind). The number of people currently being released because of DNA evidence would make it quite unreasonable to "rush" into the death penalty sometimes. Bruno Richard Hauptman, who was convicted and executed for the kidnapping of Charles Lindbergh son, is thought now to have possibly been innocent.

As for these brutal murders, I agree totally, that their punishment should be to suffer like their victims. We all like to say that we would happily do the deed, but in reality, most of us would suffer such tremendous psychological damage, that it isn't worth it. I, for one, am not capable of cutting someone to pieces bit by bit while they are still alive. However, there is certainly no need to make criminals so comfy during their incarceration. People who go to the state for assistance when hard times hit are not "entitled" to television, college or their choice of food, yet criminals are. It is a sad commentary on our country that we take better care of our criminals than we do our working poor.

 

[DVS]

I'll sit nice and cozy here in my little isolated suburban crater... knowing that the psychos here are either too shy to come out... or we just don't have any.

Well, I'm not shy. I know I'm a kinko...in a nice pervy sort of way, but I don't claim to be a psycho. That's two totally different forms of weirdo.

Although there's a kinko that makes copies...no relation. AHem...in case you wanted to know, I'm an origiinal. No copy!

 

[togitc]

Being a cool parent? The mother shouldn't be charged with rape, she should be given serious psychological help. You are a parent, you aren't supposed to be cool or a friend. Your kids will hate you, your kids will wish they were adopted. Why?

Because being a parent is hard work. It is guess work, life lessons, and dreams tossed in a blender and no one knows what will come out.

As for the chick who slept with her student and then married him after having a child or two with him. That is just wrong on both accounts. I'm sure that the kid didn't mind, if a teacher came onto me at 15 I would have gone for it, but the lady needs to have her head checked.

Concerning murder. If you are old enough to know how to do it and want to, then face the punishment as an adult. Death penalty? Depends. I know it sounds wish-washy but there are circumstances.

The question is if you commited a murder do you think you should get the death penalty? Don't make anyone do something you wouldn't. Rehabilitation is a posibility, even if it is a slim chance.

Answering my own question. If I killed someone do I think that I should in turned be killed? If I planned it, yes. Planning takes time, time means plenty to think on. Sudden spurt of the moment, no. Lock me up in a small room and feed me through a hole. One outburst leads to others.


I know I don't usually post here but the topic was interesting.

 

[Private_Label]

And he told a friend that he knew, because he was a juvenile, that he couldn't get the death penatly at his age. Sadly, he was right. He'll probably get out of prison when he's 21, with a clean record, to boot.

There should be certain courts for people like this...they get EXACTLY the same death as the innocents they killed. I don't care if they ARE underage. I knew what the value of life was, when I was that age.

In Florida age is no guarantee of protection from life in prison. In Palm Beach County a young man who was 14 when he killed a 6 year old when he was showing her "wrestling moves" he saw on shows like those made by the WWE.

He was taken to trial in Adult Court, not the juvenile system - for just this reason.

It didn't convince the jury he was any less innocent of murder. The young man is now serving a life sentence.

It isn't the only local case like that - another young man shot his teacher on the last day of school because the teacher wouldn't let the man into the class to say good by to his girlfriend.

I think the law is framed in a way that if the psychiatrists/psychologist determins that the child is old enough to understand right and wrong and the real possible outcome of death for what he did, then the child can be tried as an adult. I think the youngest so far locally was 12 or 13 at the time the crime was committed.

I believe being tried in an adult court for these kinds of crimes is the right thig to do just for the reason you mentioned, DVS. Age alone is not enough to to protect a person from the (adult) legal results of the actions.

I also have a bit of a pet peeve that I want to smack the adults in the child's life a bit too - "why was a gun left where the child could easily gain possesion of it?" "why was there no adult supervision of the children outside?" "why was a youth with no drivers license allowed to borrow a car and drive it without adult supervision?"

Everyone wants to blame society, or the cops, or the courts. No one close to the situation wants fix the underlying problem that made it possible for the crime to happen.

Government so far, hasn't stepped up to the plate with possible solutions (inexpensive/free daycare), corporations have been slow in adding the perk to their employee benefits (a few have but not enough).

OK it's late, the mold is having a party with all the rain we have had lately, so my eyes are irritated to the point that I am ready to skin my eyelinds off. Where is my patenol? And do I dare take even more antihistamines at this hour?

 

[Netzach]

In most states, prosecution can petition to try a child as an adult, with I believe the cut off age usually being around 12. There are so many factors that play into that decision, we don't see them tried as adults as often as they probably should be.

A 17 year old is close enough to an adult that their "reasoning" is pretty well set, or hopefully since we are turning them loose on the world in another 12 months.

Personally, I believe in the death penalty, but only when there is not one miniscule shred of doubt that the person is guilty (Charles Manson comes to mind). The number of people currently being released because of DNA evidence would make it quite unreasonable to "rush" into the death penalty sometimes. Bruno Richard Hauptman, who was convicted and executed for the kidnapping of Charles Lindbergh son, is thought now to have possibly been innocent.

As for these brutal murders, I agree totally, that their punishment should be to suffer like their victims. We all like to say that we would happily do the deed, but in reality, most of us would suffer such tremendous psychological damage, that it isn't worth it. I, for one, am not capable of cutting someone to pieces bit by bit while they are still alive. However, there is certainly no need to make criminals so comfy during their incarceration. People who go to the state for assistance when hard times hit are not "entitled" to television, college or their choice of food, yet criminals are. It is a sad commentary on our country that we take better care of our criminals than we do our working poor.

Working poor should be an oxymoron.

Welfare is essentially gov't subsidizing companies who do not pay wages people can live on.

 

[chris9]

Excuse me, everybody. Do you really think that a 12 or 13 year old can take full responsibility for their actions? Do you know any children of that age? Because they are just that, children.

 

[graceanne]

Excuse me, everybody. Do you really think that a 12 or 13 year old can take full responsibility for their actions? Do you know any children of that age? Because they are just that, children.

I'm sorry, I know that you really believe that they can be rehabilitated, but I don't. And I really don't want to get in a fight, but I've known plenty of 13 year olds, and if they can't take responsibility then their parenting was fucked up. But then we already probably know that. By the time a child is 13 they are pretty much how they're always gonna be (except a bit bitchier). Their values and beliefs are established. (There are always exceptions but they are few and far between.) Maybe I'm just cynical . . . who knows.

But I'll tell you this . . . if a 13 year old were to kill my sister or one of my children, just cause they wanted to see how it felt, I don't give a flying fuck how old they are . . . if the govt doesn't take care of them, I will.

Now, there are exceptions, I don't think that all 13 year olds should be tried as adults. That, I believe, is why they have psychologists in on it. If the 13 year old did it in anger, or under the influence, and they REALLY (not just faking it for the stupid adults) understand what they did, I don't think they should be killed, I just think they should spend a long time in a psych facility. But sometimes THEY DON'T CARE. And you cannot make a 13 year old do something they dont' want to. If they don't want to rehabiliate, THEY WON'T.