A Canadian view of America

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If you are interested in reading a truly scary and realistic view of America from outside the influence of American media, check this out.

Staying Drunk
Friday, November 26 2004 @ 10:30 AM MST
Contributed by: harrisp

by Paul Harris

Back when I lived on Canada’s frozen prairies, I had a friend who was pretty convinced there were only two secrets to avoiding hangovers: the first was to stay awake until the effects of the alcohol wore off; the other, was simply to stay drunk.

The latter of these basic principles is the one followed by the United States when it comes to war and international relations. Rather than having to deal with the effects of large numbers of troops coming home and putting a drain on domestic jobs or slowing the economy with reductions in the manufacture and sale of weaponry, the US has decided to stay at war. For a long time.

And it is this reality that makes it perilous for nations, such as Canada, to ally themselves too closely with the US. We are at a disadvantage in that they live next door and the walls are so thin we can hear them breathing. But it is time that we stopped trying to live with the pretense that these are nice honorable people who are our friends: the US is
nobody’s friend.

When Ronald Reagan referred to the former Soviet Union during the 1980s as the ‘evil empire’, he must have been trying to be funny. And we all missed the joke, because it should be very clear where the evil empire really resides: just a little south of us. Notwithstanding the shrill crudeness of Carolyn Parrish, her point about our southern neighbour is well taken.

The US claims to be a nation of peace lovers but since the end of the Second World War, it has been at war with: China (1945-46); Korea (1950-53); Guatemala (1954 and again 1967-69); Cuba (1959-60); Belgian Congo (1964); Dominican Republic (1965); Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia (1959-75); Lebanon (1976 and again 1982-1984); Iran (1980); Grenada (1983); Libya (1986); El Salvador (1980-92); Nicaragua (1981-90); Panamá (1989); Iraq (1991); Somalia (1993); Haiti (1994-1995); Bosnia-Herzegovina (1995); Sudan (1998); Yugoslavia (1999); Afghanistan (2001-02); Iraq (2003-2???). Have I missed any?

In the same period, the US has attempted to overthrow or displace more than 40 foreign governments; they have conducted unprovoked military assaults on some 20 nations; they have crushed more than 30 populist movements which were fighting against US-sanctioned dictatorial regimes. The US provided indispensable support to a small army of brutal dictatorships: Mobutu in Zaïre, Pinochet in Chile, Duvalier in Haiti, Somoza in Nicaragua, the Greek junta, Marcos in the Philippines, Rhee in Korea, the Shah in Iran, 40 years of military dictators in Guatemala, Suharto in Indonesia, Hussein in Iraq
(remember him?), the Brazilian junta, Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, the Taliban in Afghanistan, and others.
As well, they dropped powerful bombs on the people of about 25 countries, including 40 consecutive days and nights in Iraq, 78 days and nights in the former Yugoslavia, and a few months in Afghanistan. These latter three countries met the primary requirement for an American bombing target — they were utterly defenseless.

Not content with conventional warfare, they have also ramped up an increased use of depleted uranium, a truly despicable weapon which produces grossly deformed babies and a long slow death amongst those unfortunate enough not to actually be standing at ground zero. This weaponry, by the way, meets every US criteria for a so-called ‘weapon of mass destruction’; it is clear that while the US might not care for other countries even thinking about WMDs, they are quite willing to take those same weapons out for a test drive themselves. And as an added bonus, they happily drop cluster bombs willy-nilly and refuse to ban landmines.

There have been assassination attempts on the lives of about 40 foreign political leaders, and there is no secret about the US being behind theses attempts. At the same time, they have interfered in dozens of foreign democratic elections, manipulated trade union movements, manufactured news. There is credible evidence of America supplying handbooks, materials and encouragement for the practice of torture, chemical or biological warfare along with the testing of these weapons, and the use of powerful herbicides causing terrible damage to people and environments in China, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Panamá, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia and elsewhere.

The CIA has encouraged and aided drug trafficking in various parts of the world when it served their purposes, and supported death squads, particularly in Latin America. And the US has caused terrible harm to the health and well-being of the
world's masses by tightening the screws of the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the World Trade Organization, and other international financial institutions, and by imposing unmerciful sanctions and embargoes.

Gratefully, the Americans are peace lovers or this could be a much longer list. The current president calls himself a ‘war president’. Presumably that is meant to excuse him from taking responsibility for the domestic and international messes he has created because in wartime it is always the other guy’s fault. It is hard to know what to make of Bush. Most thinking people (and, unfortunately, that eliminates about half of his fellow Americans) consider him to be the personification of stupidity at best, Satan at worst. But he poses the familiar problem of the optimist/pessimist conundrum … is Bush’s head half empty, or is he half full of it.

It is amazing that America has any friends left, although it must be pretty clear that the few remaining friends are merely fawning sycophants making nice with the school-yard bully to avoid getting beat up. Still, it is risky for anyone to hitch their wagon to this dying horse. For America is surely dying and Canada would be well-served by finding other markets for our goods, by finding other suppliers of those things we must import, of
protecting our assets and our resources before our rapacious neighbours come hunting for them. Most Americans seem to think that the United States has been a monumental success. Even those who are disaffected would hesitate to say the country is failing. But it is. Perhaps it needs the eyes of people outside its borders to see more clearly what it has become and that what it purported to be was rarely achieved. Americans have deluded themselves into an inability to see the disaster they have wrought and the nightmare that is to come. The most common refrain I hear from Americans I have met abroad or who
have written to tell me of their experiences outside the United States is that they had no idea what a failure the US has become until they stepped outside their country and considered the other guy’s perspective.

The United States is in decline, it is a society in an advanced state of decay. Its great experiment at participatory democracy no longer excites its people, who stay home on election days in vast numbers. Its love of freedom has been used over and again as the excuse for military engagements on the soil of many other countries with countless deaths among those foreign citizens. Its pursuit of personal freedom at all costs has resulted in a violent and morally bankrupt society. In its quest for power, it has blundered and blustered across the world like a colossus, always with the self-assurance of the Godly and with complete lack of concern for other people’s wishes and needs.

America began with the genocide inflicted on native North Americans; it enslaved its own people and nearly tore itself apart in a cataclysmic war fought, in part, about that slavery. It has since spread its good works and its good will around the globe, but it has spread even more mayhem.Even when being generous and compassionate to other nations there is a casual disregard for what those others might truly want or need. The US remains a highly polarized society grouped together only by a collective fear of everyone else; within its own borders, groups of various sizes adhere only out of fear of other Americans. It was interesting to note in the recent elections that the states who voted for Bush are the same states who supported slavery: attitudes haven’t changed much.

The United States has relentlessly chased after the ability to annihilate its enemies with firepower beyond belief and convinced itself that it is right and just to do so. But America has degenerated into a puppet state and its citizens have mostly failed to notice. It is a puppet for the few special interest and corporate groups who long ago usurped power from the masses. We know from the experience of the 2000 elections that the will of the people is easily subverted, but this is not the first time a President has come to office under such clouded circumstances. Read about the Electoral College, the courts, and the state of Florida in relation to the disputed election of the nineteenth American President, Rutherford B. Hayes.

Richard Nixon was urged to contest what appeared to be voter fraud in the election that brought John Kennedy to power. But, to his credit, Nixon considered the potential harm to the nation from such a challenge to be too great a risk. And as the country prepared for the 2004 elections and yet another pretence at democracy, it was busy jeopardizing the entire world with its assault upon Iraq and bragging that it is bringing democracy to that benighted land. America doesn’t have any democracy to export. We also know that the American government rarely works for a more perfect union, or to establish justice and insure domestic tranquility, or to promote the general welfare as its Constitution promises. Significant effort, however, goes into securing the blessings of liberty for those in high places. Elected officials have as their only goal success in the next election and for that, they need to toady up to the special interest and corporate groups who can fill their pockets.

America’s Founding Fathers called their dream ‘the great experiment’ and perhaps that is because they understood this was a gamble; it might be the last conceivable untried form of government. Perhaps they knew that the illusion of ‘people power’ was just that, an illusion. Perhaps they also knew that if the great experiment failed, there was nothing left to try; mankind would have proved once and for all that it was incapable of governing itself in a manner that is worthy of being called ‘civilized’. Well, the experiment is failing, so what do we get next? At the moment, it appears that we get only the American
Empire, spreading its good and its evil without regard for the consequences.

It’s easy enough to say that the American people aren’t responsible for their nation’s behaviour, that they are as horribly shocked as the rest of us and there is little they can do. Their nation is in the grip of corporatists and dishonest politicos against whom the people are virtually impotent. But in this cradle of the world’s democracies where the government is allegedly of, by, and for the people, those excuses ring very hollow. This
is a nation of people who conducted a revolution against what was then the most powerful empire on earth and they did it because they didn’t like a tax on teabags. If they could work up that sort of outrage in 1776, surely they can awaken their consciences, ever so slightly, to consider the monumental balls-up they are allowing their leaders to make of the whole world. And maybe, just maybe, they could actually exercise some moral courage and rise up against the viciousness that has come to symbolize America.

Otherwise, the US is doomed and will utterly fail …maybe not today, or next week, or even during what’s left of my life. But the world will not tolerate these brutal people for much longer. At least one part of the world has already started to rebel against America and rather than putting down that rebellion with the so-called ‘war on terror’, the result will simply be more terror against the US, from more sources.

Perhaps it is time to consider if the ‘good guys’ might not actually be the ‘bad guys’. It is time that Canada stopped trying to be America’s best buddy and got on with developing our place in the world, outside of their realm of influence. Laurier might have been wrong about the twentieth century but it is not too late for Canada to become the model for the rest of the world instead of the little brother of the world’s biggest jerk. Let them die on their own.
 
You be our friend or we'll invade you!!!!!
Don't make me cut off your aide!!!
Ignore those men in the black vehicles outside your house.

Yea, we suck.:rolleyes: But we have great malls.
 
You be our friend or we'll invade you!!!!!
Don't make me cut off your aide!!!
Ignore those men in the black vehicles outside your house.

You need to become a democracy. Here's a president you can use until we figure out how to stuff your ballot boxes.
 
thebullet said:
You need to become a democracy. Here's a president you can use until we figure out how to stuff your ballot boxes.

LOL...I've always wanted Anarchy at least there is always a good reason to be assasinated.

Do you realize how many Americans would try to justify what we've done? or just remain apathetic and ignorant?

I always said that if the founding fathers of this country came back for a day, they would drop dead.
 
Sigh. Even though I am one of those severely disenchanted with the direction the United States has taken (politically and socially) in recent years, I find myself continuously irked at how trendy it has become to bash the nation. I think that this is in no small part, deservedly so, to the current administration. But I fail to believe that the United States is the only "civilized" country that has amassed a collection of skeletons in its closet, nor do I believe that the United State's accomplishments should be so readily dismissed. Do I believe we are a nation in serious turmoil and decline? Yes. Do I believe that we're ready for the last shovel-full of dirt to be heaped on our collective grave? No. Maybe I'm in denial or am a hopeless optimist, but I've decided to put my faith in term limits as well as the hope that we will eventually reign in the control businesses have over our government. Everyone likes to say how our forefathers would have condemned the current state of being of this country. What made our forefathers great was the realization of their own imperfection, and I don't think they would expect us to be any more capable of perfection ourselves.

Rant over. Back to frivolity.
 
Evil Alpaca said:
Sigh. Even though I am one of those severely disenchanted with the direction the United States has taken (politically and socially) in recent years, I find myself continuously irked at how trendy it has become to bash the nation. I think that this is in no small part, deservedly so, to the current administration. But I fail to believe that the United States is the only "civilized" country that has amassed a collection of skeletons in its closet, nor do I believe that the United State's accomplishments should be so readily dismissed. Do I believe we are a nation in serious turmoil and decline? Yes. Do I believe that we're ready for the last shovel-full of dirt to be heaped on our collective grave? No. Maybe I'm in denial or am a hopeless optimist, but I've decided to put my faith in term limits as well as the hope that we will eventually reign in the control businesses have over our government. Everyone likes to say how our forefathers would have condemned the current state of being of this country. What made our forefathers great was the realization of their own imperfection, and I don't think they would expect us to be any more capable of perfection ourselves.

Rant over. Back to frivolity.

I like you more and more every post I read.

:heart:
 
These things are not skeletons in our closet. We are being run by corporations. This is their closet, now.

c
 
ABSTRUSE said:
You be our friend or we'll invade you!!!!!

Cool idea for an alternate U.S. flag. We could keep the striped one for special occasions.
 
Maybe I'm in denial or am a hopeless optimist, but I've decided to put my faith in term limits as well as the hope that we will eventually reign in the control businesses have over our government.
I seem to drift from hopeful to hopeless then back again. I didn't mean to represent the above mentioned article as my own opinion, but I do agree with much of it.

Yes, term limits will eventually get GW out of office (unless he changes the Constitution), but what will that buy us, really? The Dems are just as much in bed with the corporate heirarchy as the Republicans. We need major changes in America to save what we can.

I keep telling myself that the neo-cons and the fundamentalists are making a last-ditch effort to fuck over the nation and eventually we will pull away from those pseudo-moralists and their selfrighteous bullshit. But we still have a Congress of whores to deal with. The oil companies formulate energy policy. The pharmacutical giants run the Food and Drug Administration. The EPA is a joke. We are probably a year away from a military draft (have you been keeping an eye on enlistment and re-enlistment numbers?).

The people running this country want perpetual war for perpetual peace, and the prols who support them couldn't care less as long as it isn't THEIR children fighting, killing, and dying.

THis country is in DEEP DEEP SHIT!! And I will be called a liberal or a traitor for beleiving that when I am neither.
 
thebullet said:
I seem to drift from hopeful to hopeless then back again. I didn't mean to represent the above mentioned article as my own opinion, but I do agree with much of it.

Yes, term limits will eventually get GW out of office (unless he changes the Constitution), but what will that buy us, really? The Dems are just as much in bed with the corporate heirarchy as the Republicans. We need major changes in America to save what we can.

I keep telling myself that the neo-cons and the fundamentalists are making a last-ditch effort to fuck over the nation and eventually we will pull away from those pseudo-moralists and their selfrighteous bullshit. But we still have a Congress of whores to deal with. The oil companies formulate energy policy. The pharmacutical giants run the Food and Drug Administration. The EPA is a joke. We are probably a year away from a military draft (have you been keeping an eye on enlistment and re-enlistment numbers?).

The people running this country want perpetual war for perpetual peace, and the prols who support them couldn't care less as long as it isn't THEIR children fighting, killing, and dying.

THis country is in DEEP DEEP SHIT!! And I will be called a liberal or a traitor for beleiving that when I am neither.

I am a liberal, but don't consider myself a traitor.

I think there is a difference between saying that America's problems are serious and that those problems are insurmountable though.
 
Evil Alpaca said:
Sigh. Even though I am one of those severely disenchanted with the direction the United States has taken (politically and socially) in recent years, I find myself continuously irked at how trendy it has become to bash the nation. I think that this is in no small part, deservedly so, to the current administration. But I fail to believe that the United States is the only "civilized" country that has amassed a collection of skeletons in its closet, nor do I believe that the United State's accomplishments should be so readily dismissed. Do I believe we are a nation in serious turmoil and decline? Yes. Do I believe that we're ready for the last shovel-full of dirt to be heaped on our collective grave? No. Maybe I'm in denial or am a hopeless optimist, but I've decided to put my faith in term limits as well as the hope that we will eventually reign in the control businesses have over our government. Everyone likes to say how our forefathers would have condemned the current state of being of this country. What made our forefathers great was the realization of their own imperfection, and I don't think they would expect us to be any more capable of perfection ourselves.

Rant over. Back to frivolity.

Being angry doesn't mean we care any less. It means we know what we're in danger of losing. We see it happening, lately in leaps and bounds. We try to stop it. We use all the available channels. We write and call our congressional representatives, badger non-voters to register, arm ourselves with information by reading until it hurts. When we lose on small issues, we get mad and keep fighting. When we lose on essential issues, we lose hope. When we find it again, it's buried so deep that bringing it to the surface requires energy we used to use for work and family and friends. We don't do this because we're unwilling to live anyplace else; we do it because we want this place to live up to its promise. It's ours. We aren't willing to abandon it to igorance and arrogance. (God knows, we're tempted.) What you call "bashing," feels like screaming for help and not being heard.

What bothers me about threads like this one is not that other countries don't like us very much, but that I suspect there are Americans for whom being hated is a source of pride. The same Americans who say, "There's no other country where people are free," etcetera, as if the rest of the world had achieved no social or political progress since we told King George to get lost. Americans who don't care what Canada thinks, or France or Germany or Sweden or Japan, are insulated by their ignorance. They have no idea how dependent we are on the world's good will. We are the largest debtor nation on earth. If one or two of our former friends had to call in their loans, we'd be bankrupt. It doesn't affect our arrogance one bit, because most of us don't read that much.
 
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I can feel an Oliver Stone moment any second! :D

Joking of course, some of my best friends are American. And I love them ESPECIALLY when they threaten to invade me ;)


Evil Alpaca said:
Sigh. Even though I am one of those severely disenchanted with the direction the United States has taken (politically and socially) in recent years, I find myself continuously irked at how trendy it has become to bash the nation. I think that this is in no small part, deservedly so, to the current administration. But I fail to believe that the United States is the only "civilized" country that has amassed a collection of skeletons in its closet, nor do I believe that the United State's accomplishments should be so readily dismissed. Do I believe we are a nation in serious turmoil and decline? Yes. Do I believe that we're ready for the last shovel-full of dirt to be heaped on our collective grave? No. Maybe I'm in denial or am a hopeless optimist, but I've decided to put my faith in term limits as well as the hope that we will eventually reign in the control businesses have over our government. Everyone likes to say how our forefathers would have condemned the current state of being of this country. What made our forefathers great was the realization of their own imperfection, and I don't think they would expect us to be any more capable of perfection ourselves.

Rant over. Back to frivolity.
 
And, I should say, it seems a tragic thing to believe that they are trying to "fuck over the country before they go [sic]". I mean, beyond being a really hard thing to substantiate, I don't see the benifit in black-and-whiting the issue of their beliefs to the point of thinking they are attempting some kind of malicious burn. More likely, they've got different values, more can be accomplished by bridging those than believing them some sort of malevolent "evil spooky plan".
 
shereads said:
Being angry doesn't mean we care any less. It means we know what we're in danger of losing. We see it happening, lately in leaps and bounds. We try to stop it. We use all the available channels. We write and call our congressional representatives, badger non-voters to register, arm ourselves with information by reading until it hurts. When we lose on small issues, we get mad and keep fighting. When we lose on essential issues, the ons that made us proud to be here, we lose hope. When we find hpe again, it's buried so deep that bringing it to the surface requires energy we used to use for work and family and friends. We don't do it because we're unwilling to live anyplace else; we do it because we want this place to live up to its promise. What you call "bashing," feels like screaming for help and not being heard.

The article in question sounded more like bashing than constructive criticism though. Trust me, I voted in the last election to reserve the right to complain with the rest of the minority I find myself a part of. My issue is with those who are so quick to dismiss or degrade what this country still has a chance of being do to the current political climate. My reaction was to that article, and wasn't meant as a condemnation of any other writer's unease.
 
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Evil Alpaca said:
I am a liberal, but don't consider myself a traitor.

You might not consider yourself a traitor but Ann Coulter (a major neocon mouthpiece) certainly does.

I am discouraged because of the completeness of corporate control over America. The loosening of anti-trust laws in the last couple of decades has allowed (what is it?) six major corporations to control most of America's media outlets: newspapers, radio stations, TV networks. People, these are the guys who decide what news is fit to print!

Takin' it to the street just isn't working anymore. I was in an anti-war march just prior to the invasion of Iraq. There were thousands of people in the march with about a dozen pro-Bush protesters shouting obscenities at us. The media reported that there were a couple hundred marchers and an equal number of pro-war protesters. The news is what the corporations want it to be.

Get used to it.
 
Evil Alpaca said:
The article in question sounded more like bashing than constructive criticism though. Trust me, I voted in the last election to reserve the right to complain with the rest of the minority I find myself a part of. My issue is with those who are so quick to dismiss or degrade what this country still has a chance of being do to the current political climate. My reaction was to that article, and wasn't meant as a condemnation of any other writer's unease.

Have a HUG hun. Save it, cause if you are trying to say anything nice about this country or in anyway not join in the general orgy of self pity and self loathing, or heaping scorn and hate on people who live in the middle of the country, you will need it and a few more.

*HUGS*
*HUGS*
*HUGS*

As the movie line goes, You're a better man than I am Gunga Din.
 
Joe Wordsworth said:
And, I should say, it seems a tragic thing to believe that they are trying to "fuck over the country before they go [sic]". I mean, beyond being a really hard thing to substantiate, I don't see the benifit in black-and-whiting the issue of their beliefs to the point of thinking they are attempting some kind of malicious burn. More likely, they've got different values, more can be accomplished by bridging those than believing them some sort of malevolent "evil spooky plan".

You don't need to look that far for tragedy.

"Values" doesn't explain Ken Starr, the Project for the New American Century, the Energy Policy Taskforce, the hiring of Ahmad Chalabi or the happy coincidence of Diebold, Inc. and their offer of non-auditable voting machines in Florida and Ohio. "Evil spooky plan" may not explain it accurately, but it's more credible than it should be. That's the tragedy.
 
CharleyH said:
I can feel an Oliver Stone moment any second! :D

Joking of course, some of my best friends are American. And I love them ESPECIALLY when they threaten to invade me ;)

That's a promise and a threat!!!:D
 
Oops. I forgot. If you do criticize your government, particularly during war-time, you're a traitor.

Wave flag, vote, lose, smile. It's easy. I think I could get used to it.
 
Shereads said: Being angry doesn't mean we care any less. It means we know what we're in danger of losing. We see it happening, lately in leaps and bounds. We try to stop it. We use all the available channels. We write and call our congressional representatives, badger non-voters to register, arm ourselves with information by reading until it hurts. When we lose on small issues, we get mad and keep fighting. When we lose on essential issues, we lose hope. When we find it again, it's buried so deep that bringing it to the surface requires energy we used to use for work and family and friends. We don't do this because we're unwilling to live anyplace else; we do it because we want this place to live up to its promise. It's ours. We aren't willing to abandon it to igorance and arrogance. (God knows, we're tempted.) What you call "bashing," feels like screaming for help and not being heard.

Geez, Shereads, you say the things I want to say and yet you sound so darn reasonable while I provoke angry reactions.

I apologize for my statement that the Neocons and the Fundamentalists are trying to 'fuck over the country'. They certainly are doing that from my point of view, but perhaps not their own.

My question is, do they believe in the Constitution of the United States or don't they, or only when it suits them? The Fundamentalists certainly don't believe in seperation of church and state. The neocons have exhibited no interest in freedom of speech other than their own.

I take it back. They are trying to fuck up the country.
 
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