A bit of legal and moral advice, please-concerning the end of an estate

BlondGirl

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My sister was friends with a man who died 2 years ago. During their friendship, there was no contact between him and his children. (It was perhaps a friendship that lasted 3 or 4 years. My sister is a nurse and she is who he turned to when in need.) She took care of him as he grew more and more ill, traveling back and forth between Austin, dealing with medical issues, helping him with his therapy after a stroke, sitting his cat, buying him his beloved cigarettes and favorite dinners. He left everything to her in a handwritten will--his home, his motorcycle, etc. He had her name on a bank account receiving money off a CD to help offset costs.
At his death, that will disappeared, of course. Gifts he had given her that his adult children found out about were demaned back so them to sell. (He was a classical guitar player and an amateur astronomer--She plays guitar and has interrests in astronomy and it was only natural that he gave her his guitars and some other such items. This was done long before his death and was after his stroke--he could no longer play. They enjoyed concerts together and such. I witnessed no interraction on my sister's part that was not in his best interrest. There was no funeral--his children had him cremated and out of courtesy for the community he lived in, agreed to a "memorial service" where my self, my sister, my son, (We knew the man too--had spent lots of time with him as a natural result of their relationship), a close friend of his and his children attended. It maybe was an effort of 10 minutes and his son at one point dug out a long piece of bone to inspect out of the box before the scatterring. It was very disturbing.
My sister, in the interrest of peace, gave in on most of their requests. But, of course, there were still some bills that were coming in and such for him and his needs--things his very distant children didn't know about or seem to care about. My sister recieved bank statements saying that his CD was still depositing money in the bank and she paid for such things and probably gas money or whatever. Not much--she told me at the time that the money was there and asked about what she should do with it. It seems to me that having someone's name on your bank account with yours is a VERY CLEAR and DISTINCT sign of who should be in charge of that in the event of one's death or incapacitation.
She recieved this e-mail this morning Please give your input and thoughts for me to pass on to her. Thanks.
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Greetings, This is from -----. I'm guessing that you remember me.....--------'s son.

I wish this was going to be a friendly message, however,...we have recently received the final documents from the courts in Texas granting us the power to close all accounts in his name. There seems to be a discrepancy in what the acct. balances were upon his death and what the balances were when we went to close them. When we asked the bank to check on this.....it seems as though you have helped yourself to some of the interest earned on the CD acct.
Now, as a reminder, that was the account we accompanied you to close at the bank in Texas.
After speaking to a lawyer friend of mine, he seems pretty well convinced that you have broken quite a few laws by taking that money.
The fact that you closed the account in person released you at that point from any legal claim to the monies in that account. The bank simply reopened the account in the interim of waiting for execution of the estate as a place for the interest to be accrued.
So.....simply put.....you knew that the money was not yours. It seems as though you waited for a while....then thinking we knew nothing of the account because of the continuing build-up of funds in an account that was "closed" you decided to help yourself to a little over $400. Also, the fact that you used an ATM card to take the money may also possibly constitute Federal Wire Fraud Charges.
Now, in order to simplify this whole matter, you can simply pay back the money you took from the account to us or I will personally see to it that I employ every bit of legal gratification I can possibly muster against you. As you should well know, we have the bank statements, and the court papers granting us ALL the monies and interest earned since his death.
Had it not been for the little trick with the guitar I would probably not be nearly as upset with this bit of deceit. It's not the money....it's the principal of what you did....you were trusted and you abused that trust.
You can choose to close this matter by sending a cashiers check or money order in the amount of $400.00. (we will forgive the rest) A personal check is not acceptable.....the trust issue, you understand.
As we would like to finally end this matter,......and to avoid the legal mess this will no doubt create; you quick response to this is requested. If I have no response by the end of this week, which would be 2/2/02...in either the form of the money or at least an e-mail,....then you will force me to proceed with legal filings. If you need a short period of time to raise the money......let me know......perhaps we can come to an agreement.
I am sorry it has to be this way....but it was your choice.

sincerely,
 
I will make note that the tone of this angers me greatly. This man has harrassed my sister about a man whom he had not seen in over 26 years.

When the friend died, his elderly and very decrepit cat was left in her care. (They had left the cat locked up in the man's trailer for about a week in the summer Texas heat.) She had been the one who cared for the cat during the friend's many hospital stays. After the friend's death and after trying to care for that poor old cat, I called my sister and told her it was time for euthanasia for that wretched animal. She literally did not have the money it took. I paid for it out of my pocket. Perhaps I could dig out that reciept for presentation to this excessively greedy man.

I am guessing that there is no lawyer who would bother wasting his time on such a trivial amount as 400$ and that this is simply a clear cut case of harrassment (morally---I know that legally it would take more than just an e-mail).

Pleae forgive my anger--I am trying very hard to be coherent but am nearly foaming at the mouth with rage at this.
 
BlondGirl said:
My sister was friends with a man who died 2 years ago. During their friendship, there was no contact between him and his children. (It was perhaps a friendship that lasted 3 or 4 years. My sister is a nurse and she is who he turned to when in need.) She took care of him as he grew more and more ill, traveling back and forth between Austin, dealing with medical issues, helping him with his therapy after a stroke, sitting his cat, buying him his beloved cigarettes and favorite dinners. He left everything to her in a handwritten will--his home, his motorcycle, etc. He had her name on a bank account receiving money off a CD to help offset costs.
At his death, that will disappeared, of course. Gifts he had given her that his adult children found out about were demaned back so them to sell. (He was a classical guitar player and an amateur astronomer--She plays guitar and has interrests in astronomy and it was only natural that he gave her his guitars and some other such items. This was done long before his death and was after his stroke--he could no longer play. They enjoyed concerts together and such. I witnessed no interraction on my sister's part that was not in his best interrest. There was no funeral--his children had him cremated and out of courtesy for the community he lived in, agreed to a "memorial service" where my self, my sister, my son, (We knew the man too--had spent lots of time with him as a natural result of their relationship), a close friend of his and his children attended. It maybe was an effort of 10 minutes and his son at one point dug out a long piece of bone to inspect out of the box before the scatterring. It was very disturbing.
My sister, in the interrest of peace, gave in on most of their requests. But, of course, there were still some bills that were coming in and such for him and his needs--things his very distant children didn't know about or seem to care about. My sister recieved bank statements saying that his CD was still depositing money in the bank and she paid for such things and probably gas money or whatever. Not much--she told me at the time that the money was there and asked about what she should do with it. It seems to me that having someone's name on your bank account with yours is a VERY CLEAR and DISTINCT sign of who should be in charge of that in the event of one's death or incapacitation.
She recieved this e-mail this morning Please give your input and thoughts for me to pass on to her. Thanks.
~~~~~~~~

Greetings, This is from -----. I'm guessing that you remember me.....--------'s son.

I wish this was going to be a friendly message, however,...we have recently received the final documents from the courts in Texas granting us the power to close all accounts in his name. There seems to be a discrepancy in what the acct. balances were upon his death and what the balances were when we went to close them. When we asked the bank to check on this.....it seems as though you have helped yourself to some of the interest earned on the CD acct.
Now, as a reminder, that was the account we accompanied you to close at the bank in Texas.
After speaking to a lawyer friend of mine, he seems pretty well convinced that you have broken quite a few laws by taking that money.
The fact that you closed the account in person released you at that point from any legal claim to the monies in that account. The bank simply reopened the account in the interim of waiting for execution of the estate as a place for the interest to be accrued.
So.....simply put.....you knew that the money was not yours. It seems as though you waited for a while....then thinking we knew nothing of the account because of the continuing build-up of funds in an account that was "closed" you decided to help yourself to a little over $400. Also, the fact that you used an ATM card to take the money may also possibly constitute Federal Wire Fraud Charges.
Now, in order to simplify this whole matter, you can simply pay back the money you took from the account to us or I will personally see to it that I employ every bit of legal gratification I can possibly muster against you. As you should well know, we have the bank statements, and the court papers granting us ALL the monies and interest earned since his death.
Had it not been for the little trick with the guitar I would probably not be nearly as upset with this bit of deceit. It's not the money....it's the principal of what you did....you were trusted and you abused that trust.
You can choose to close this matter by sending a cashiers check or money order in the amount of $400.00. (we will forgive the rest) A personal check is not acceptable.....the trust issue, you understand.
As we would like to finally end this matter,......and to avoid the legal mess this will no doubt create; you quick response to this is requested. If I have no response by the end of this week, which would be 2/2/02...in either the form of the money or at least an e-mail,....then you will force me to proceed with legal filings. If you need a short period of time to raise the money......let me know......perhaps we can come to an agreement.
I am sorry it has to be this way....but it was your choice.

sincerely,
Your sister needs to get an at lawyer now and fight it she took care of him his kids did not did tey ever come around if not then they are nothing but a bunch of greedy fucker and she should sue for the gifts back. good luck
 
They sold everything. Including the antique guitar that he used to perform with. And would a lawyer even be involved for a measley 400$?

I am wondering if this guy has a drug habit or something and is just looking for a quick bit of cash.
 
BlondGirl said:
They sold everything. Including the antique guitar that he used to perform with. And would a lawyer even be involved for a measley 400$?

I am wondering if this guy has a drug habit or something and is just looking for a quick bit of cash.

Whatever his reason his behaviour is reprehensible and not worthy of any human being. Presumably your sister has the bills that came in - if so she should tell him to go take a flying fuck and be prepared to defend herself if necessary. I know the law is a complete ass but surely some compassion should prevail here.
 
Tell em to go to hell

If she used this money to pay for things that were provided for him she did no wrong. I do not know the laws where she is but I do suggest that she consult an attorney NOW instead of waiting for these greedy little suckers to haul her into court. Personally if it was me, and this is only my opinion, I'd tell him to go to hell after kissin my ever lovin ass, find an attorney and sue his ass first. Let the judge decide who gets what after hearing the facts especially after the handwritten will just disappears. In this case I see so many shoulda, woulda, coulda's. She should have helped him file the will in probate and made sure that she had the original giving only the copy to the family. Even now, if she pays the $400 back, who's to say that this prick isn't still going to turn around and turn her in? He could still nail her ass to the wall with it whether or not it's been paid back. And by paying it back she's admitting guilt and they WILL use that. All I can say is make sure she contacts an attorny AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!

Good luck!

And just what I know from the law here, anything over $100 is considered a felony......
 
Tell your sister to send an itemized list of all expenses - including putting the cat to sleep - to demonstrate that the money was spent settling the father's estate. Say that she is willing to provide receipts if necessary, and ask for the "lawyer friend"'s name so she can forward the documentation to him as well. Add that if they continue to harass her - after all that she did for their father when they were no where to be found - then she would be very happy to take this up in small claims court where she will go after any and all expenses she incurred on behalf of their father. Since they are now in charge of his estate, they will have to answer for the expenses. And somehow I doubt they would like to bring their utter lack of decency to light in a court of law.
 
I don't know if she would still have the reciepts. It has been over a year and I don't usually keep stuff past that myself. I can call the vet to see if they would document the care fo the cat--I don't remember what that cost was. Postage to send the guitar to them and the other items was not something they factored in either. I think that was 60 or 70$. My sister was just trying to have peace in her grieving and get on with things. I feel for her so deeply. And there were only 2 people in this world that loved that friend of hers--he was living out the rest of his life in paradise--and was about 1/4 of the way of building his cabin. The storm windows were sitting there in the place they were to be put in the not-yet-built walls at the memoral "service".

I really don't understand how someone could be so damned greedy--it is a foreign idea to me. I understand wanting the last cookie on the plate but to harrass someone for an amount of money that can easily be made in less than a week of honest work?
 
My sister's friend insisted on keeping the will. I am not sure, but i think he had only had it notarized or signed by witnesses or what--without proof of its existance, it is irrelevant. She was not expecting him to die and was not really concerned about it.

Is there really any lawyer who would touch this? And I know she cannot afford to be dumped into a legal battle right now.
 
BlondGirl said:
Is there really any lawyer who would touch this? And I know she cannot afford to be dumped into a legal battle right now.

There are lawyers out there who will take this case, she also may be able to see if some law students might be interested in getting involved as well. I know that there are people willing to help her.....up here we have something called "Legal Aide" That consists of law students and lawyers who help with this kind of thing as well, I don't know about the costs, but I know it's not much......
 
Ther may be a few details I missed, but I have a few observations:

1. If the bank account had her name on it she is entitled to any and all of it.

2. Scrounge up any receipts that could even remotely be considered expenses for his care. Then find out how much the care she gave him would cost if it had been provided by paid caretakers. Submit all of this to the estate for payment, they may bounce some of it out but she should be entitled to something. Private nursing care is not cheap, even on a part-time basis.

3. See if you can find out if the missing will was notarized, if so the Notary Public should have a record of what kind of document was signed.

4. Consider getting legal counsel, not only should your sister not have to pay anything back she should be compensated for her services.

I'm not a lawyer but I've seen a few people go through similar ordeals. Good luck to you.
 
Thank you so much for the responses to this. I sent most of them to my sister and she has now already responded with a letter that is intense and very obviously non-confrontational. Your input helped her to bolster her knowledge that she was right. (I had forgotten the actual circumstances of that money--My sister had been screwed by that bank and had went to close all her accounts there. That was when the money was found to still be there by her. She had originally emptied the account for his children to pay for funeral expenses. I am wondering how much they spent versus how much they took out at that time? Greedy mother-fuckers.

My sister is her department manager and they are lucky to have her. She is very good and mediation. (LOL-like everybody--not so much with family members with old issues, but incredible with people outside her family.)
I am very proud of her and love her to pieces and glad to be her sister.

Thank you again for your responses, input, and encouragement.
 
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