99% of you guys will never be as popular with women as a serial killer.

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The next time someone tells you that women really do not go for jerks

The next time someone fixes their mouth or keyboard to tell you that being nice isn’t good enough


be sure to silence them by sending them this article… which was written by a woman.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201204/women-who-love-serial-killers

Women Who Love Serial Killers
Why some women sacrifice so much for extreme offenders.

Rosalie Martinez, a public defender and mitigation specialist, was once married to an attorney. They had four daughters. After she met death row inmate Oscar Ray Bolin Jr. in 1995, she left her husband for him. Martinez and Bolin married that same year, over the phone.
Bolin, a former truck driver, has been convicted 10 times for raping and killing 3 women in Florida. In each case, rulings have been overturned due to errors. This week, he was back to the courtroom for another retrial. Convicted again, he received a life sentence on top of two death sentences.

Martinez, who believes Bolin is not a killer, once stated that when she met him, he left her “breathless.” She sensed his loneliness and isolation. She told a reporter, “It affected me because I felt the same way.” She decided to marry him, she said, to raise awareness of the injustice of his plight.

Plenty of serial killers have attracted mates, especially those with a high media profile. Carol Ann Boone became Ted Bundy’s girlfriend while he went through his legal proceedings in Florida. She took every opportunity to describe how he was being unfairly railroaded.

Even after he was convicted for three murders, Boone maintained her stance, and during the penalty phase of his 1980 trial, she testified on his behalf. They exploited an old law and married in the courtroom just before he received a death sentence. Boone had a child with Bundy, but eventually realized he was guilty. She took her child and moved away.

Women who have married serial killers have given several different reasons. Some believe they can change a man as cruel and powerful as a serial killer. Others “see” the little boy that the killer once was and seek to nurture him. A few hoped to share in the media spotlight or get a book or movie deal.

Then there’s the notion of the “perfect boyfriend.” She knows where he is at all times and she knows he’s thinking about her. While she can claim that someone loves her, she does not have to endure the day-to-day issues involved in most relationships. There’s no laundry to do, no cooking for him, and no accountability to him. She can keep the fantasy charged up for a long time.

These wives often make significant sacrifices, sometimes sitting for hours every week to await the brief face-to-face visit in prison. They might give up jobs or families to be near their soul mate, and they will certainly be spending money on him—perhaps all they have.

The offender need not even be attractive to hook a potential wife. One-eyed Henry Lee Lucas had his share of female admirers. Despite his supposed sexual relationship with drifter Ottis Toole, he was apparently still compelling as a mate. One woman (married) even devised a plot to free him by posing as his supposedly murdered former girlfriend—a girl that Lucas had confessed to strangling and cutting into pieces.
 
Who in their right mind would want to be popular with women who serial killers are popular with?
 
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LJ you should post this article over on Laurel's "Good Reads" thread.

Twas a good read. :cool:
 
Who in their right mind would want to be popular with women who serial killers are popular with?

Being fair when you combine this, with women who stay in abusive relationships, with women who like "bad boys" the right answer might be people who don't want to die virgins.
 
My thought on this is that women seem to be attracted to men who get what they want out of life, are stress free, and genuinely happy. As I have viewed serial killers on tv, I believed they were these things prior (and some even after) being arrested. The sociopath is not typically concerned with the same stresses as the rest of us and simply doesn't care.

I'm sure there is research to support, and deny this stance. It's just an opinion.
 
I,at least,don't have that low self esteem that says the best I can do is a serial killer and rapist.
 
Serial killers are most often charismatic individuals who are able to project normalcy and lull you into a false sense of security.


Hunters don't go into the forest with bells and whistles alerting their prey to their approach.

You don't blame the deer for getting shot. Or for standing around because it didn't realise it was being hunted.



And as far as prison inmate groupies go... I'd like to think that like the rock groupies or reality star groupies it's just a niche and does not speak for women in general.
 
LOL

99% of you guys....

The OP includes himself in the serial killer group.
Well, of course. Being part of the lower 99% is not essentially a bad thing.

Serial killers are most often charismatic individuals who are able to project normalcy and lull you into a false sense of security.


Hunters don't go into the forest with bells and whistles alerting their prey to their approach.

You don't blame the deer for getting shot. Or for standing around because it didn't realise it was being hunted.



And as far as prison inmate groupies go... I'd like to think that like the rock groupies or reality star groupies it's just a niche and does not speak for women in general.
I'm not accusing women in general.

However it is worth asking why on one hand you tell a guy that being nice isn't enough to win a woman's heart and yet so many women's hearts are being won by the worst of men. No one wants to ask that question. It is not an inaccurate question. But like most cases, because it offends groups of women it is a taboo subject that most people fear to approach.

Most.
 
Technically there is no accusation to make. Humans are animals. A little more advanced sure but women have no more control over liking serial killers than guys have over liking big tits. It's hard wired into us and we can bitch but it's reality like it or not.
 
I counsel my grandsons to forget about females and to work on their education, prosperity, fitness, and careers till the females tire of the dope and niggaz.
 
Technically there is no accusation to make. Humans are animals. A little more advanced sure but women have no more control over liking serial killers than guys have over liking big tits. It's hard wired into us and we can bitch but it's reality like it or not.
But we can at least muster the self-awareness to ask why we turn right around and say "being nice isn't good enough to make a man attractive to a woman" - in light of the face that NOT BEING NICE is sometimes more than good enough.

It is a contradiction to say the least.
 
But we can at least muster the self-awareness to ask why we turn right around and say "being nice isn't good enough to make a man attractive to a woman" - in light of the face that NOT BEING NICE is sometimes more than good enough.

It is a contradiction to say the least.

It's a balancing act, methinks.

I was raised to be respectful and deferential to women.

I remember the first time I WASN'T respectful (i.e. acting like a world-class prick) I got laid that very night.

Made me reassess my approach to women. :cool:
 
It's a balancing act, methinks.

I was raised to be respectful and deferential to women.

I remember the first time I WASN'T respectful (i.e. acting like a world-class prick) I got laid that very night.

Made me reassess my approach to women. :cool:
I hope you never tried to settle down with women who went for that.

A woman who doesn't date a nice guy is broken and while nobody can force her to change, a man isn't forced to marry someone like that...
 
I hope you never tried to settle down with women who went for that.

A woman who doesn't date a nice guy is broken and while nobody can force her to change, a man isn't forced to marry someone like that...

She's not broken, she's normal. The women who aren't like that are broken. Granted broken in a good way but broken none the less and if we didn't live in the perfect happy world we live in the end result of her being broken would be one dead nice guy and her with the bad guy. Much like women's equality we look around at this world where being the baddest motherfucker for miles around counts for little and wonder why a few million years of evolution haven't caught up with five hundred (being generous) of civilization.
 
I'm not accusing women in general.

However it is worth asking why on one hand you tell a guy that being nice isn't enough to win a woman's heart and yet so many women's hearts are being won by the worst of men. No one wants to ask that question. It is not an inaccurate question. But like most cases, because it offends groups of women it is a taboo subject that most people fear to approach.

Most.


What you are failing to grasp here is how manipulative serial killers are. They wear the cloak of normalcy and play the nice guy to the tee. So many women so desperately want to believe that they've got a nice guy that they are unable to accept the fact they were deceived even after these men were convicted.

It isn't that women are going for the bad guys... they're going for the bad guys pretending to be nice guys.
 
She's not broken, she's normal. The women who aren't like that are broken. Granted broken in a good way but broken none the less and if we didn't live in the perfect happy world we live in the end result of her being broken would be one dead nice guy and her with the bad guy. Much like women's equality we look around at this world where being the baddest motherfucker for miles around counts for little and wonder why a few million years of evolution haven't caught up with five hundred (being generous) of civilization.
The women who aren't like that are further evolved - the ones who finally came down from the trees, in the mental sense of the term. The women who are like that have yet to come down from the trees. Evolution is the one thing that has the power to slowly make - and then quite suddenly (within, say, 500 years) undo - millions of years of tradition.

The biggest problem with bad boys is, and always has been, that they don't stick around to take care of their kids. This has never been good for their progeny, as the statistics clearly show, but things are about to get a lot worse for two reasons.

One, fewer guys want to put up with women and their kids they birthed from their bad boy mates. Don't mistake MILF-mania for any notion that single moms are in any way becoming more popular as marriage material: they aren't. I sincerely hope your counter is not that men are becoming more like Ice Cube from "Are We There Yet?" Men are now looking for less drama, not more, less burdens, not more. On the bright side there are probably more single fathers out there, who would logically make a better match for the single moms. I always advocate that single moms should hook up with single dads.

Second, the technology is now available to catch women who bear bad boys' kids and try to get their faithful husbands to raise them. Now we are seeing men rise up and eject these women and their progeny from their lives and out of their pocket books. The male white knights out there are being overwhelmed by this anti paternity fraud revolution. Ever wonder why feminists are fighting to defend paternity fraud? It's because they want to shield women from the side effects of their own bad choices. France is in a panic trying to outlaw DNA tests because this rebellion has gotten so much worldwide momentum. Lots of women are finding out the hard way that they can't rely on duping the nice guy anymore: they and their kids are suffering. Which, by the way, was how it was before "patriarchal" societies came into existence: when a man suspected his kids were not biologically his, he ejected all-of-the-above out of his household, or he just up and left - and, because there was no social safety net, they all died because there was no one to provide for them. Whoops.

Mating with bad boys, thus, is a huge evolutionary risk. It was a deadly risk in the past and it is turning that way again, except this time we have a social safety net at least to protect the kids. If the knuckle dragging Republicans have their way, though, there won't even be that.
 
Most of what you said I agree with so let me sum up the parts where you got it wrong.

First, evolution doesn't really work that way. We aren't better than our cousins that stayed up in the trees, we're different. We may someday find ourselves in a situation where we wish we still had some of what we lost. So I say broken, you say come down out of the trees. Ultimately it's the same thing.

Second millions upon millions of years of evolution of the biggest baddest motherfucker winning suggests that you're dead wrong about what happened in the past. For starters in the past it was next to impossible to tell if a kid was or wasn't yours but I'm sure plenty of men walked off then, I'm also certain that the number of men who had multiple wives and made damn certain they all did exactly what he said when he said it was more than sufficient to balance that out.

I'm also not certain that being a bad ass has any direct relationship to the likelihood of being a deadbeat dad. That seems in general to be a fairly modern development and not even particularly wide spread. Ultimately meh.
 
Most of what you said I agree with so let me sum up the parts where you got it wrong.

First, evolution doesn't really work that way. We aren't better than our cousins that stayed up in the trees, we're different. We may someday find ourselves in a situation where we wish we still had some of what we lost. So I say broken, you say come down out of the trees. Ultimately it's the same thing.
We are better adapted to survive no matter what the situation is. Our immune systems are stronger (at least until technology softens us up over the next 1000 years) and our Marines could mop up the floor with an equal number of Spartans in unarmed combat. Our knowledge would let us start over from scratch faster, too. Modern slackers might not be as well off as Beowulf's mystical badasses but that's about it. We're better than our ancestors in many ways. Still, society has that corrosive element to it in which slackerism and softness are wearing a lot of us down.

Second millions upon millions of years of evolution of the biggest baddest motherfucker winning suggests that you're dead wrong about what happened in the past.
Sometimes the biggest baddest motherfucker winds up getting undone by his own excesses. There is also the issue of revolutions in which the biggest baddest dude gets killed by an angry mob. Or a poison dart. Or an arrow to the head. A pussy ass wimp could end you with poisoned tea, a bear trap, or a roadside bomb. So much for the big bad ass mother fucker. And his kids, too, if said pussy assed wimp goes on a rampage. Exactly what happened to Achilles?

For starters in the past it was next to impossible to tell if a kid was or wasn't yours but I'm sure plenty of men walked off then, I'm also certain that the number of men who had multiple wives and made damn certain they all did exactly what he said when he said it was more than sufficient to balance that out.
No their numbers were not sufficient. Not even close. But they were certainly remembered.

I'm also not certain that being a bad ass has any direct relationship to the likelihood of being a deadbeat dad. That seems in general to be a fairly modern development and not even particularly wide spread. Ultimately meh.
What's a modern development? Deadbeat dads? Uh that has been an ancient problem. Badass dudes being deadbeat dads is kind of logical - he has lots of women pining for him, so he is going to stray. This is another older-than-dirt problem that women have with bad boys - they stray and take their provider resources with them, or force the mother to share said resources with another woman, thus making it less likely that either family will survive.

The only reason why badass males didn't get killed more often is because most of humanity has that same obedience dimple that Mr. Candy from D'Jango Unchained said his black slaves had. Which is why I've never been a nice guy - I never had that obedience dimple.
 
LJ you should post this article over on Laurel's "Good Reads" thread.

Twas a good read. :cool:

Disagree. I think it's an interesting topic, but the article was very superficial. I'd rather read something a little more recent that touches on the social media fan clubs that sprung up for James Holmes and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Ugh. What is happening in those girls' heads?
 
You know I sit here again wondering if I'm supposed to take you seriously or not.

We are better adapted to survive no matter what the situation is. Our immune systems are stronger (at least until technology softens us up over the next 1000 years) and our Marines could mop up the floor with an equal number of Spartans in unarmed combat. Our knowledge would let us start over from scratch faster, too. Modern slackers might not be as well off as Beowulf's mystical badasses but that's about it. We're better than our ancestors in many ways. Still, society has that corrosive element to it in which slackerism and softness are wearing a lot of us down.

Here's a good one. Did Spartans live in trees? Cus if not you need to revise your statement to include ancestors that did or better yet other descendants. While I might debate whether our Marines would be a match for Spartans (assuming equal diet and equipment) I know who I'm betting on between you and a chimp in unarmed combat. I know who I'm betting on to survive a hypothetical apocalypse too.

Spartans are still human, 100% modern human at that.


Sometimes the biggest baddest motherfucker winds up getting undone by his own excesses. There is also the issue of revolutions in which the biggest baddest dude gets killed by an angry mob. Or a poison dart. Or an arrow to the head. A pussy ass wimp could end you with poisoned tea, a bear trap, or a roadside bomb. So much for the big bad ass mother fucker. And his kids, too, if said pussy assed wimp goes on a rampage. Exactly what happened to Achilles?

Shit happens. True. I assume you have a point aside from shit happens? I find it funny that a man who prides himself on being a bad mother fucker to the point of putting in his siggy line that he's a tough sonofabitch has so much invested in the concept that being billy bad ass isn't desirable. :rolleyes:


No their numbers were not sufficient. Not even close. But they were certainly remembered.

Not even close, as in they exist until modern times and only recently and in the West at that has it stopped being fairly standard.


What's a modern development? Deadbeat dads? Uh that has been an ancient problem. Badass dudes being deadbeat dads is kind of logical - he has lots of women pining for him, so he is going to stray. This is another older-than-dirt problem that women have with bad boys - they stray and take their provider resources with them, or force the mother to share said resources with another woman, thus making it less likely that either family will survive.

It certainly seems that way. And no it doesn't necessarily go hand in hand and certainly in the past (and in some cases in the modern era. Lets be honest, Tiger could easily support a child from every woman he bedded. Yes, he's the exception not the rule but the point remains

The only reason why badass males didn't get killed more often is because most of humanity has that same obedience dimple that Mr. Candy from D'Jango Unchained said his black slaves had. Which is why I've never been a nice guy - I never had that obedience dimple.

Which is why you're a badass. And here you are advocating for your own downfall. Of course most have the obedience dimple. As you so often point out to Bot society simply wouldn't work if we didn't. You want to live with the tribe you follow the rules, don't like it live by yourself and see how fucking far you get.

I swear both you and Ish this week have had this radical case of twisting your own ideals.
 
does obama count as a serial killer .... after all the obama is killing the economy, over and over again?
 
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