9/11 suspects: 'We are terrorists to the bone'

[redpaint]

First off I am not trying to start any fighting on here. Where the blame for 9/11 fails God only knows. But this is the mind set that some people would like for us to let out of Gitmo. Back on the street is the last polace wwe need to let them be.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090310/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_guantanamo_sept11_trial


And some copys of the court paper that was relesed.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0310091gitmo1.html?link=rssfeed

 

[Stella_Omega]

Some of the people in it should be in high security prison, but that doesn't change the fact that gitmo is illegal.

 

[amicus]

I saw that on the news earlier today also.

It is a political attitude somehow, that is difficult for a rational person to understand. Democrats, the Left in general, advocate a small military, no involvement with Allies, a 'go soft' on crime and it seems a delicate sensitivity when it comes to defending America.

I think it comes from a basic disrespect for human life, a disdain for those who would act to protect themselves.

It is only a matter of time until this policy leads to disaster, as the Clinton cowardice did.

Amicus

 

[sr71plt]

It is a political attitude somehow, that is difficult for a rational person to understand. Democrats, the Left in general, advocate a small military, no involvement with Allies, a 'go soft' on crime and it seems a delicate sensitivity when it comes to defending America.

That's another crock of crap, Amicus. Those aren't anything the left "in general" advocates at all.

As far as Gitmo, it is/was basically illegal by all international law norms--and most of U.S. law norms as well--and gave us nothing but a black eye. There are other ways of dealing with these folks. The Republicans just took the easy, in-your-face approach, while, incidentally, giving our allies the finger.

You have let your ideology trap you into brain rot, Amicus.

 

[JackLuis]

That's another crock of crap, Amicus. Those aren't anything the left "in general" advocates at all.

As far as Gitmo, it is/was basically illegal by all international law norms--and most of U.S. law norms as well--and gave us nothing but a black eye. There are other ways of dealing with these folks. The Republicans just took the easy, in-your-face approach, while, incidentally, giving our allies the finger.

You have let your ideology trap you into brain rot, Amicus.

I agree with the unlawful and counter productive effects Pilot noted.
But the issue is these are self confessed, illegal combatants, Terrorists,or Brigans if you will.

The cost of 5 9mm rounds is an appropriate price to pay to eliminate their potential threat and they would welcome it. I say show them what we think of their choice, behind the ear.

 

[Liar]

I saw that on the news earlier today also.

It is a political attitude somehow, that is difficult for a rational person to understand. Democrats, the Left in general, advocate a small military, no involvement with Allies, a 'go soft' on crime and it seems a delicate sensitivity when it comes to defending America.

I see your point. (Besides your judgemental attitude towards those attitudes, that "disrespect for human life" nonsens, which I left out of the quote.) Except the "no involvment wil Allies" part. Seems to me the US is getting back to more and broader cooperating with their allies now. No?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

These losers know they're fucked. They know they don't have a chance. All they're doing is giving the US the finger from the gallows, and everyone wets their pants in fear.

Grow up, sissy boys.

 

[amicus]

Kamikazi pilots in WW2 rode that 'divine wind' to their death on suicide missions with both aircraft and submarines...human bombs are nothing new in total warfare.

When children, women, boys, girls and men wrap explosives around their body and shout, 'Allah Ahkbar!' as they detonate themselves or guide a passenger aircraft into a building, it is perhaps time to take the declaral of Jihad against western society a little bit more seriously.

Western societal concepts of ethics and morals and the treatment of Mercenaries with no country, has been stretched to the breaking point for there is no sane, rational answer as to how to deal with determined terrorists.

The fault, glaring fault, Mab's perception of the dangers involved in lowering defense capabilities and utilizing every means to deter terrorism, is a sure recipe for and invitation to another demonstration of the stated intent of Militant Islamics around the globe.

There is no neat and tidy answer, not with terrorists content to choose 'soft targets' in urban areas, just to create the horror of mass death and injury.

I sense the nation is in greater danger now than it has been prior to 9/11.

Amicus...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In Vietnam the sob-sisters burdened us with assinine SOPs designed to protect the Viet Cong antagonists. If an American collided with Charlie the SOP required 3 verbal challenges, two warning shots, then shoot to kill.

But I'm dyslexic and did it backwards. The bottomline was, they wanted to see 3 empty shells, so it worked out okay.

I'm betting that the Leftie Care Bears will kill more ragheads than Guantanamo ever insulted.

 

[DesertPirate]

Some of the people in it should be in high security prison, but that doesn't change the fact that gitmo is illegal.

No it isn't, it falls into legal because the alternative is execution by the Geneva Convention for non-uniformed combatants. We really do have the right to sumary excecution of each one when caught.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DP is correct.

The ragheads arent covered by the Geneva Convention. Theyre like pirates or bandits. Fair game and open season.

 

[3113]

WTF are you talking about?

First off I am not trying to start any fighting on here. Where the blame for 9/11 fails God only knows. But this is the mind set that some people would like for us to let out of Gitmo. Back on the street is the last polace wwe need to let them be.

Quoted from the article:

The five, who could face the death penalty if convicted on charges that include murder and terrorism...They will still be tried, but under what type of system has not yet been determined. The proceedings, however, will probably not be at Guantanamo since Obama has ordered the detention center closed within a year.

Please explain to me how closing Gitmo puts these terrorists "back on the street" as you claim. When you've done that, I'll be happy to argue the point. But the article itself says you're LYING and fear mongering, and that really pissed me off, especially when you've got the article RIGHT THERE to tell you otherwise. You're ignoring the facts and running around screaming that the sky is falling. Why? These men are on trial. They will be on trail. And if convicted, they will die. How is closing Gitmo going to change any of that?

 

[sr71plt]

Please explain to me how closing Gitmo puts these terrorists "back on the street" as you claim.

Well, it doesn't. But it's part of the far right ideology to claim it is so--and then to ignore it when it doesn't happen.

I worked for presidential administrations across the political spectrum from pretty far right to pretty far left, and they all were pretty much the same on matters of defense.

Even the present administration isn't pushing to hamstring the military arm (certainly not any more than the Bush administration did by putting it in an untenable situation--without the proper equipment). It just wants to redirect the military arm effort to where the actual threat is (and always was) rather than to save some presidential family's face by trying to clean up on a self-perceived past incomplete action.

 

[redpaint]

Quoted from the article:



Please explain to me how closing Gitmo puts these terrorists "back on the street" as you claim. When you've done that, I'll be happy to argue the point. But the article itself says you're LYING and fear mongering, and that really pissed me off, especially when you've got the article RIGHT THERE to tell you otherwise. You're ignoring the facts and running around screaming that the sky is falling. Why? These men are on trial. They will be on trail. And if convicted, they will die. How is closing Gitmo going to change any of that?

So where are you going to put them?

 

[sr71plt]

So where are you going to put them?

That's one of the problems with American society. Everyone seems to think they need to know.

 

[freshface]

So where are you going to put them?

I've heard there's still room at Marion, Ill. Have you noticed that we never hear anything from, or about, any of the terrorists currently imprisoned there? Personally, I'd like to see these men join them there with life sentences. If we execute them, we turn them into martyrs. If we isolate them from society, they become forgotten.

 

[Liar]

So where are you going to put them?

In federal prison, or on death row? If they are, you know, guilty of crimes.

 

[sr71plt]

In federal prison, or on death row? If they are, you know, guilty of crimes.

Well, that's the rub. You need to actually try them (under laws they are subject to) if you are going to imprison them somehow/somewhere in the public eye.

I haven't quite gotten over the audacity yet of the U.S. in kidnapping the leader of another country (Noreiga) and throwing him in an American prison (under a previous Bush administration)--and still holding him two years after his prison term handed down in a show trial based on the laws of a country other than his was over.

 

[3113]

So where are you going to put them?

Why do you believe any of our high security prisons, ones holding Timothy McVeigh, Neo Nazis, violent drug dealers, murderers and Bubba the buggerer can't hold them? This hatred they feel toward the U.S., does it give them superhuman powers? The ability to magic in WMD into their cells? Endear them to other prisoners? What makes these guys so much more dangerous and likely to escape prison that you would worry and fret about where we put these guys as if any maximum security prison in the states will be no more effective than a child's playpen?

If you have some solid information about how much stronger, meaner, more clever or better organized they are than any homegrown prisoner in our prisons--you know, the ones who take rifles and shoot up churches or schools or plant bombs in Oklahoma--let me know. I'll change my mind about Gitmo in a heartbeat. Or if you have facts to show that we'll be getting a wave of their terrorists friends in to break them out--hey, let me know. But unless you have facts that indicate that they can easily escape a maximum security prison and, once out, avoid being recaptured and reek havoc, then I really don't see what you're worried about or what the fuss is about shutting down Gitmo.

That's one of the problems with American society. Everyone seems to think they need to know.

Too true!

 

[DesertPirate]

Quoted from the article:



Please explain to me how closing Gitmo puts these terrorists "back on the street" as you claim. When you've done that, I'll be happy to argue the point. But the article itself says you're LYING and fear mongering, and that really pissed me off, especially when you've got the article RIGHT THERE to tell you otherwise. You're ignoring the facts and running around screaming that the sky is falling. Why? These men are on trial. They will be on trail. And if convicted, they will die. How is closing Gitmo going to change any of that?

They will be tried in U. S. courtrooms instead of the Military Tribunal they are entitled to.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

3113

Dear the problem comes along when theyre released from jail. They have to go somewhere on the planet.

Well, their native countries dont want them, and many of them can expect to be executed if they return. Countries like France throw their asses in prison for another stretch.

So! Our raghead friends can make a case in Federal court that the US is placing them in jeopardy if they are forced to leave America.

HOWDY NEW NEIGHBOR!

 

[redpaint]

I know they are not sper human, nor are they some kind of big bad boogie man. but not one of they would think twice about taking your life just becouse of where you live.They are Military prisoners not Fedural.

AS for as Gitmo goes, Do you really belive we are the only country to have a secret base where prisoners are held or have been held.

Granted this is anouther left over problem left over from bush to be take care of but it needs to be handle right and quit giving these people more rights than they really had.

 

[freshface]

They will be tried in U. S. courtrooms instead of the Military Tribunal they are entitled to.

We're Americans. We really shouldn't be doing Kangaroo courts.

 

[JackLuis]

AS for as Gitmo goes, Do you really belive we are the only country to have a secret base where prisoners are held or have been held.
.

Lots of places have "secret prisons". The USA is the only one to advertise it.

So much for secret!

We need to separate the sheep form the goats and make the goats swim home.

 

[freshface]

I know they are not sper human, nor are they some kind of big bad boogie man. but not one of they would think twice about taking your life just becouse of where you live.They are Military prisoners not Fedural.

AS for as Gitmo goes, Do you really belive we are the only country to have a secret base where prisoners are held or have been held.

Granted this is anouther left over problem left over from bush to be take care of but it needs to be handle right and quit giving these people more rights than they really had.

Other countries rip out fingernails and execute people without trial. Doesn't mean we should do those things. Oh, and last time I looked, the military was part of the Federal government.