34 year old model and former tennis pro dies from Covid vaccine

[renard_ruse]

Stephanie Dubois, a Canadian model and former professional tennis player died days after taking a Covid vaccine. Even Wikipedia acknowledges that her death was caused by the vaccine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stéphanie_Dubois

 

[dolf]

Stephanie Dubois, a Canadian model and former professional tennis player died days after taking a Covid vaccine. Even Wikipedia acknowledges that her death was caused by the vaccine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stéphanie_Dubois

Yes, it's possible. Serious reactions are rare and the vaccine is considerably less likely to harm you than the disease, which is the calculation we make with almost every medicine and procedure we have.

But please, " even Wikipedia"‽ implying it's a highly credible source?
Don't be a dork.

 

[Conager]

If anybody was making an actual calculation no one would recommend that a 34 year old female tennis pro get the vaccine. The risk of dying from covid-19 was likely zero, since she was a healthy 34 year old and female.

The argument for her getting vaccinated has nothing to do with the calculation of her personal risk it is a calculation of what is considered for the greater good not her individual risk.

 

[ll74]

If anybody was making an actual calculation no one would recommend that a 34 year old female tennis pro get the vaccine. The risk of dying from covid-19 was likely zero, since she was a healthy 34 year old and female.

The argument for her getting vaccinated has nothing to do with the calculation of her personal risk it is a calculation of what is considered for the greater good not her individual risk.

Anyone who factors risk in such a simple measure of "is she going to die from the virus?" is already an idiot.

The risk should be calculated by assessing her risk of being infected by a virus, the risk of others infecting her with an unknown variant, the risk she poses to others as well as the speed at which variants are developing.....and those are just a few things to consider.

 

[Conager]

Anyone who factors risk in such a simple measure of "is she going to die from the virus?" is already an idiot.

The risk should be calculated by assessing her risk of being infected by a virus, the risk of others infecting her with an unknown variant, the risk she poses to others as well as the speed at which variants are developing.....and those are just a few things to consider.

Other than your idiotic imposition of a what-if about variance developing which no one knows whether a vaccine will or won't take care of those that's exactly what I just said. Do try to pay attention. What is it about this virus that makes everybody so incredibly stupid?

 

[ll74]

Other than your idiotic imposition of a what-if about variance developing which no one knows whether a vaccine will or won't take care of those that's exactly what I just said. Do try to pay attention. What is it about this virus that makes everybody so incredibly stupid?

Why did you see my response as an accusation of you? I was building off of your statement.

Whether or not a vaccine works on a variant isn't really my concern, though they do seem to be effective on current variants. Vaccines work to reduce the ability and speed for variants to develop, which make the chance of a anti-body resistant strain developing reduce as a result.

 

[colddiesel]

This thread seems to be confusing two different women with the same name.

 

[Brains_N_Boobs]

This thread seems to be confusing two different women with the same name.

Nice catch. Well done.



https://64.media.tumblr.com/3dce01a0ee39f7291c197f063a1449fe/tumblr_p122grFhnm1t1fdzao1_400.jpg http://www.mrspider.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/DSC_9447-Edit-3-450x600.jpg

 

[renard_ruse]

No surprise, Biasapedia censored the cause of death.

This society is Clown World on steroids.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Then why don't you do us all a favor and remove yourself from it, clown boy.

Or you can at least get a good start, by ceasing to post anymore of your crap on social media- in particular this message board.

 

[renard_ruse]

Then why don't you do us all a favor and remove yourself from it, clown boy.

Or you can at least get a good start, by ceasing to post anymore of your crap on social media- in particular this message board.

Fuck off Rory.

 

[renard_ruse]

Then why don't you do us all a favor and remove yourself from it, clown boy.

Or you can at least get a good start, by ceasing to post anymore of your crap on social media- in particular this message board.

The funny thing is you establishment dorks think most lurkers agree with you.

News flash, at least half the population don't.

That's what really bothers you.

 

[renard_ruse]

Then why don't you do us all a favor and remove yourself from it, clown boy.

Or you can at least get a good start, by ceasing to post anymore of your crap on social media- in particular this message board.

This thread seems to be confusing two different women with the same name.

No it doesn't.

Enjoy your vaccines. Even if you don't die you've enriched big pharma for no rational reason.

 

[Lazaran]

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Renal Rube gets it wrong again.

She was neither a tennis player nor 34 years old.

Stephanie Dubois was a 39 year old British model.

Renal Rube owes her family an apology, as well as the family of Stephanie Dubois the 34 year old Canadian tennis player who is still very much alive.

While Renal Rube is at it, an apology to the GB is also in order for constantly posting misinformation.

 

[renard_ruse]

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Renal Rube gets it wrong again.

She was neither a tennis player nor 34 years old.

Stephanie Dubois was a 39 year old British model.

Renal Rube owes her family an apology, as well as the family of Stephanie Dubois the 34 year old Canadian tennis player who is still very much alive.

While Renal Rube is at it, an apology to the GB is also in order for constantly posting misinformation.

Nope, don't. You owe me an apology for the abuse you and the rest of the human scum on here have dished out against me since 2007 I think. Before I ever even posted a single political utterance I received bizarre rude unwarranted attacks from many of the same losers who still infest this board under various alts.

As for your "point," the fact is that thousands have died already from these ridiculous vaccines over a joke illness and the MSM refuses to discuss it.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Poor dumb retard rube, he's such a victim.

 

[njlauren]

Nope, don't. You owe me an apology for the abuse you and the rest of the human scum on here have dished out against me since 2007 I think. Before I ever even posted a single political utterance I received bizarre rude unwarranted attacks from many of the same losers who still infest this board under various alts.

As for your "point," the fact is that thousands have died already from these ridiculous vaccines over a joke illness and the MSM refuses to discuss it.

A couple of points (not that it will matter, MAGA idiots can't reason).

1. Thousands of deaths from the vaccine? Worldwide? In the US? And where is the citing from a legitimate journal, not Newsmax or Breitbart are the like.

2.Even assuming the vaccine did cause 'thousands of deaths', to date many hundreds of millions of doses have been given which means the ratio is tiny

3. All drugs have side effects, ever see drug ads? The ones that talk about you can get a rare form of cancer and die? Want to know a fact? People die from taking Tylenol and Aspirin, people die from taking antibiotics when they get a reaction, people die from other medical treatments. When they say a treatment is safe it means that the levels of people who potentially can get sick or die from it are very small, which fits the vaccine. If you use the logic of this, you should avoid taking antibiotics, anti depressants, refuse chemo or radiation when you get cancer and refuse to take any kind of NSAID (aspirin, Tylenol, Ibuprofen). If you need an operation you should refuse it, since people die from Anasthesia every year.

4. Saying "I won't get a vaccine because it enriches big pharma" is like saying I won't buy a car because it enriches GM, I won't buy food because it enriches big business, I won't buy a house because mortgage lenders make twice the cost of the house in interest payments.

5. And oh, yeah, assuming that not getting vaccinated is no big deal shows your lack of any kind of real education. Take a look at India, you might think covid is no big deal, but if one of the variants come here, you could end up getting it and die or have long term consequences (unless you believe the Orange Orangutangs claim still that Covid is the flue; 600k dead, and these days a lot of those dying are not the old and sick people your type said was expendable.

Immunity because you had it or were exposed? That immunity is limited and because of the nature of natural exposure it likely won't protect you from variants (unlike vaccines which do. The last numbers that came up with covid deaths among those who test positive, is that of all the people who have gotten sick and test positive for covid and then die, 99.75% of them are unvaccinated. Given that half the population is now vaccinated, that says a lot).

And if you have had covid and get vaccinated, guess what? You are likely not need to get a booster shot, it works that well.

6.Basic biology 101, which you don't learn if you go to schools like the OP did where they teach that the earth was created 6000 years ago in 6 days by God and never changes......

Viruses to replicate use the cells of other organisms to replicate , they use the replication mechanism of the target cell to replicate themselves, replicate the dna strings that make up the viruses dna code, and spawn new viruses. When an organism other than a virus replicates the dna (called transcription, literally copying) when it divides it is a perfect or almost perfect copy (mutations do happen with cellular division, also DNA in a cell can be damaged by radiation, chemicals, etc).

When a virus replicates it is a sloppy process and the copy is not perfect, pretty much every transcription a virus makes has errors in it. When a virus invades a human being, it replicates rapidly and the replicated viruses replicate, each introducing new errors. Every person who is infected can generate basically an unlimited number of variants. While it is true that most of these are small changes, as viruses move on to other hosts and replicate in the billions, and so forth, the errors accumulate (think of the game of telephone where you have 1 million people, can you imagine what the message would come out like at the millionth person?)

Ever wonder why they have never come up with a vaccine or cure for the common cold? It is because the rhinovirus family it belongs to replicates fast and creates a ton of variants in a short period of time. Even if you could come up with a vaccine, it likely would work a very, very short time, maybe weeks, before it was made obsolete. Ever wonder why the flu vaccine has such a low rate of success? The are so many flu variants out there that they can only guess which one is going to be dominant.

Want another fact? If you are vaccinated, even if you get covid it suppresses the ability of the virus to replicate (not to mention it puts your odds of dying or getting a serious case to near 0 range). On the other hand, every unvaccinated idiot who gets exposed increases the number of varients by an exponential number, and it multiplies with each unvaccinated person who gets it. So far we have been lucky, the vaccines are effective against the variants out there, but the more unvaccinated people there are, the higher the odds that a)a variant will show up that the vaccine doesn't work against and b)that the variant will not only be more infectious (as has already happened, the South African variants, the Indian ones, the European ones were more virulent than the original strain that came out of China) but also will be more deadly.

Piece of fact from history: While not a virus, the bubonic plague wiped out more than half of Europe's population. Want to know another fact? It originally was transmitted via fleas that came off of carriers like rats and mice, and that was bad enough, that killed a lot. Want to know what really caused the carnage? The plague bacteria mutated and become pneumonic plague (airborn transmission), it went person to person and that is where about 75% of the deaths occurred for obvious reasons. That mutation happened in human beings as the bacteria copied itself..and the thing is, bacteria as I noted are much better at copying themselves, they don't create variants that easily. Too, that was when Europe's population was probably 80 million and people didn't travel much more than a couple of miles from where they were born. We have a world of 8 billion people where people travel freely all over it, if a relatively slow mutating bacteria could cause that kind of havoc (I think post black death Europe's population was 30M) when people didn't travel much, imagine a world that has 100 times the population Europe did and travels frequently.

Even if you just take the US, assume we are isolated, we have 330M people, if 75M refuse to get vaccinated that is a large pool that can breed 'super covid' that makes vaccines ineffective and /or kills a lot of people fast.

 

[Champakian]

The amazing thing here is that you use the, it's a tiny minority, just move on argument.

But when we were pointing out that the Covid deaths were a tiny minority (a vulnerable minority), we were ridiculed.

It's a true hypocritical, you can have your cake and eat it too, style of reasoning.

 

[Rotadom]

If anybody was making an actual calculation no one would recommend that a 34 year old female tennis pro get the vaccine. The risk of dying from covid-19 was likely zero, since she was a healthy 34 year old and female.

The argument for her getting vaccinated has nothing to do with the calculation of her personal risk it is a calculation of what is considered for the greater good not her individual risk.

If she gets the vaccine, there's less chance of her spreading it to others. Is this still really questionable?

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

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Renal Rube gets it wrong again.

She was neither a tennis player nor 34 years old.

Stephanie Dubois was a 39 year old British model.

This is priceless! But but but...I read it on the internets!

 

[njlauren]

The amazing thing here is that you use the, it's a tiny minority, just move on argument.

But when we were pointing out that the Covid deaths were a tiny minority (a vulnerable minority), we were ridiculed.

It's a true hypocritical, you can have your cake and eat it too, style of reasoning.

Um, tiny minority is a meaningless basis for comparison because it isn't defined. For example, like 1 person in a million got blood clots from the Astra Zeneca vaccine, that is 1 in 1x10 ^6h. (one in a million)

In terms of the vaccine, worldwide the number of people who have died is like a couple of thousand or so. 1.87B (billion) doses have been given worldwide which is like .000001 (1 in 100 million).

If we had tried to do what the shithead GQP wanted us to do and ignore it, pretend it was only something that killed old and sick people, we likely would have lost 2-3 million people (put it this way, thanks to variants,natural herd immunity failed, if it hadn't Sweden would have been in like Flint and India would be fine, Italy would have been smooth sailing by last fall..and it wasn't. If we lost 3 million people, that is one in a hundred (1%), and it could have been higher.


That also leaves out all the people crippled by covid or that despite the current GQP propoganda, a lot of younger people have been effected.

So when you talk about "small minority" use numbers, small minority is meaningless. And while 2000 people dying is never a good thing, the vaccines are preventing people from getting sick and among those who get covid and are vaccinated, a really tiny minority get really sick from it, and even tinier minority die from it. Put it this way, if you looked at covid deaths , 99.75% of them are people who are unvaccinated, a very tiny number of people who die of covid were vaccinated. and if you look at overall death rates (covid officially had like a .02% death rate among unvaccinated), among the vaccinated the death rate is like .00001 and that may be overstated).

Not to mention that people that have been vaccinated almost never get long term symptoms and they also tamp down the variants that could end up killing a lot of non vaccinated people.

In the US, so far, we have lost to covid 600k people, which is .002 (2 in 1000, or 1 in 500).

 

[PaxNurgle]

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Renal Rube gets it wrong again.

She was neither a tennis player nor 34 years old.

Stephanie Dubois was a 39 year old British model.

Renal Rube owes her family an apology, as well as the family of Stephanie Dubois the 34 year old Canadian tennis player who is still very much alive.

While Renal Rube is at it, an apology to the GB is also in order for constantly posting misinformation.

This, X 1000.

 

[njlauren]

Gee it was a total misquote

What a surprise. Reminds me of when the GOP was claiming that in Wisconsin this one town had more people vote then lived in the town. The only problem was whoever googled the population of the town picked up a town in Michigan with the same name that was much smaller, but who needs fact checks, if the town name is the same they must be the same *lol*. This is SOP with right wing websites and so called news sites, their research is if they find something that matches their bias they immediately post it and forget to look at the details. like the guy posting this part of Federalist 28 claiming it supports the second amendment and the right to revolt against the government, the section cited was pointing out that if we didn't have a consistent national government, if we were a confederacy of small regions/states, that the only protection the people would have would be to take up arms, because there would be no strong central government to mediate disputes or courts to check and balance the power of local government . (these days I despair of that though, just look at the judges the GOP have put on the bench for the most part, they are like the judges in Nazi germany, their only role is to protect GOP power, not rights, not voting rights and certainly not minority rights.