3 Teens Shot and Killed Breaking into a House - Stand Your Ground Rule? How?

[Chris_Michael]

https://gma.yahoo.com/killing-3-tee...-oklahoma-010103618--abc-news-topstories.html

So, there is an ongoing investigation and discussion over this apparent "Stand Your Ground" case. 3 teens broke into a house and were shot dead by a person armed with an AR-15.

THREE UNKNOWN PEOPLE are in the goddamn house. How is this Stand Your Ground?

Fucking hell, man. I would have shot them too. What do you expect? Seriously, people argue against gun violence when it's unnecessary but then demonize those who actually do protect themselves. This just blows my fucking mind.

3 teens can overtake a person and very seriously harm them. What if they had weapons?

What the fuck? Would it be okay with a kitchen knife? I mean, for fucks sake! Do you politely ask them to fucking leave.

Goddamn it, I'm fine with the gun law debate and discussion, but we should not demonize people for legally protecting themselves against crime especially while it's happening on your personal property. This just pisses me off. You took the liberty of putting some citizen's life at risk, and that puts you at risk. You lost. You're dead. Bye, Felicia. Your best years were ahead of you but now you're with Big Man J up in Heaven.

 

[phrodeau]

One had a knife and one has brass knuckles. One was unarmed. He could have shot to wound, or not shot at all. He shot and killed all three. That's way beyond protecting himself.

 

[oggbashan]

One had a knife and one has brass knuckles. One was unarmed. He could have shot to wound, or not shot at all. He shot and killed all three. That's way beyond protecting himself.

'Could have shot to wound?' You've been watching too many Hollywood movies.

If you shoot, you shoot to stop. A wound might not be enough to stop an intruder, particularly one high on drugs.

 

[phrodeau]

'Could have shot to wound?' You've been watching too many Hollywood movies.

If you shoot, you shoot to stop. A wound might not be enough to stop an intruder, particularly one high on drugs.

Aiming is enough to stop most intruders. The rest will most likely stop after you kill one of them.

 

[Hard_Rom]

There is no shoot to wound. Aim at center of target and keep pulling trigger until it goes down.

The issue is do you really need an AR for home defence? Would not a very loud shotgun do the same? An AR is a highly inappropriate weapon for home defence in a residential area.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't quibble with using effective force against intruders. I do quibble, on broader grounds, with a civilian being permitted to own an AR-15.

 

[phrodeau]

There is no shoot to wound. Aim at center of target and keep pulling trigger until it goes down.

The issue is do you really need an AR for home defence? Would not a very loud shotgun do the same? An AR is a highly inappropriate weapon for home defence in a residential area.

At a distance of, at most, ten yards, shoot to wound is possible for any responsible gun owner.

 

[Hard_Rom]

At a distance of, at most, ten yards, shoot to wound is possible for any responsible gun owner.

I disagree. Stop take time to take a proper stance and shoot, maybe. Peek around a corner then stick gun out and blaze away, be lucky to even hit anything. It's why full auto and shotguns work so well in confined areas. Accuracy not that big a deal with shotguns and automatic weapons.

 

[dan_c00000]

This just seems like a headline to grab clicks. When you read the article there's nothing in there to lead you to believe anyone could challenge anything. Hell, once the cops arrested the getaway driver they charged her with the deaths!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Aiming is enough to stop most intruders.

Then there was the Quaker who caught a burglar in his kitchen, leveled his shotgun at him, and said, "Friend, I mean thee no harm, but thee are standing where I mean to shoot."

 

[Wrong Element]

Aiming is enough to stop most intruders. The rest will most likely stop after you kill one of them.

That's an argument. I don't expect much of a controversy here, though. This isn't Trayvon Martin minding his own business -- it's not a stretch to assume strangers breaking into your house might react violently if surprised, even if violence wasn't the initial reason they broke in.

 

[dan_c00000]

Plus, there are always crazy stories like this and this.

 

[sr71plt]

This isn't Trayvon Martin minding his own business --

Not that it was proven that Trayvon Martin was only minding his own business where he was shot (not that he should have been shot).

 

[jomar]

At a distance of, at most, ten yards, shoot to wound is possible for any responsible gun owner.

Good one!

 

[thør]

I disagree. Stop take time to take a proper stance and shoot, maybe. Peek around a corner then stick gun out and blaze away, be lucky to even hit anything. It's why full auto and shotguns work so well in confined areas. Accuracy not that big a deal with shotguns and automatic weapons.

Actually, accuracy IS important at close range with any weapon. The pattern of my 12ga bear defense gun at 10 yards is pretty darn small.

 

[Chris_Michael]

People play too many damn videogames. You can't just put a bullet where you choose. You can aim perfectly and the weight of the trigger pull can change the trajectory drastically.

By your finger using its muscle, it can make the bullet miss by a lot. This is where the 1911 guys will step in and say, "That's why you don't use a plastic gun." Yeah, whatever.

I've shot a 1911. The trigger pull is nearly nothing. I mean, if that's your thing then hey more power to you. I'll take my 3lb trigger pull any day.

 

[BotanyBoy]

One had a knife and one has brass knuckles. One was unarmed. He could have shot to wound, or not shot at all. He shot and killed all three. That's way beyond protecting himself.

Or they could just not be doing an armed B&E in the first place and they would have gotten to live!!

How about blaming the CRIMINAL for once??

The issue is do you really need an AR for home defence? Would not a very loud shotgun do the same?

Is there a reason AR's aren't good for home defense?

An AR is a highly inappropriate weapon for home defence in a residential area.

You're full of fucking shit and don't have a clue.....Absolute fuckin' LIAR.

100% WRONG as it gets. AR's are some of the best HD rifles you can get.

I don't quibble with using effective force against intruders. I do quibble, on broader grounds, with a civilian being permitted to own an AR-15.

Why? Oh because you're a hysterical queen when it comes to AR's for some reason.

At a distance of, at most, ten yards, shoot to wound is possible for any responsible gun owner.

The dumb ass speaks again

Do tell Phro how does one "shoot to wound"?? hmmm??

LMAO......

 

[phrodeau]

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Do tell Phro how does one "shoot to wound"?? hmmm??

LMAO......

You bust a cap in their asses.

I can't believe how dense some people are.

 

[Hard_Rom]

AR's are way to over powered. You can penetrate quite a few vinyl sided homes with one of their rounds. A through and through can still penetrate a drywalled partition and hit someone in the next room.

Get a shotgun with a custom light load. Something that drywall can stop.

Firing a gun like an AR inside a house is fucking stupid even if you are defending it.

Best home defence is lots of outside lighting, a barking dog and a very loud security alarm. Then resort to a half loaded cartridge of birdshot to their faces. Guns don't prevent robberies. Lights, dogs and alarms will.

 

[sr71plt]

Why? Oh because you're a hysterical queen when it comes to AR's for some reason.

Oh, look. Hard Rom answered your stupid question for me.

 

[Chris_Michael]

The "shoot to wound" argument is pure stupidity. I'd like to see primary sources that show that there is ANY chance it's possible to shoot to wound. No wonder you derps want to ban guns. You don't even know how self defense works.

By the way, let's say you're protecting yourself with another type of weapon. Are you going to stab to wound, use pepper spray, or use hand-to-hand combat? Just curious.

What do anti-gun nuts do to protect their home from invsions anyway? Call the cops who will... bring a gun? And then you Tweet about how cops shouldn't use guns?

 

[sr71plt]

I only want to ban certain guns--there's absolutely no reason for civilians to have assault weapons--and want to have the others closely regulated. And I can't see anyone in this situation being expected not to shoot to drop them one way or the other any way that would get the job done. So, you can take your dogmatic stereotyping and stick it where the sun don't shine.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You bust a cap in their asses.

I can't believe how dense some people are.

You do realize that can easily kill someone right?

AR's are way to over powered.

Based upon what the scary looks???

LOL it's a fuckin .223 man....they're called "pea shooters" for a reason.

You can penetrate quite a few vinyl sided homes with one of their rounds

Any gun can do that, use frangible safety or high expansion ammo instead of armor piercing rounds/steel core/FMJ.....problem solved.

Firing a gun like an AR inside a house is fucking stupid even if you are defending it.

Did it a whole bunch on a professional level, never had a problem.

Firing a 240B or a 203 in a house is fucking stupid, Ar? not so much.

You don't know what you're talking about because you've never so much as taken a class, you don't even know what frangible ammo is.

Oh, look. Hard Rom answered your stupid question for me.

With lot's of ignorance, as expected.

You're a hysterical queen SR, you should educate yourself so you don't look so fucking dumb when discussing the subject.

AR is just another semi-auto rifle. Most hunting rifles are WAY more powerful than an AR....but don't let that fact stop you from acting a fool.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Of course a hunting rifle is more powerful, dipshit. They use a full rifle cartridge not an intermediate assault rifle round. I may have just been a lowly supply tech driving a forklift around. But I have fired FN battle rifles C1 and C2s, Browning semi-auto pistols and Sterling submachine guns.

Plus various hunting weapons and bows.

I know full well what the various arms can do.

A .223 is not the same as a .22LR. Just because the round is just 3 one thousands of an inch larger in caliber does not mean they equate is fire power. The AK uses 7.62mm ammo and is not up to a C1's power.

I am not an expert but I am familiar and so do have a legit opinion.

Where you such a massive fucking idiot before the massive head wound or should I cut you some slack due to being brain damaged?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I know full well what the various arms can do.

Apparently not you seem to think AR's are a terrible home defense weapon and that's simply un-true.

A .223 is not the same as a .22LR.

I never said it was.

I am not an expert but I am familiar and so do have a legit opinion.

I am an expert, and your opinion is WRONG.

You can safely shoot in a house (safer than bird shot from a shot gun) with an AR-15 just fine, they make fantastic home defense weapon.

Where you such a massive fucking idiot before the massive head wound or should I cut you some slack due to being brain damaged?

You, being entirely in the wrong here, aren't in any position to be cutting anyone any slack from anything.

Much less call me an idiot when you're the one who's being corrected LOL