3.14 by tigerjen

[Candy can]

I'm sorry, but this is not only one of the worst poems on Literotica, which is a major feat in itself, but perhaps one of the worst poems in the history of the Internet. But I guess when you have shameless self-promotion, multiple voting for your poems, and multiple voting against any poem above yours, then anything is possible. No wonder you have the anonymous feedback turned off.



3.14 by tigerjen

pie
apple
blueberry
blackberry
peach
boston creme
gooseberry
plum
chocolate creme
strawberry cream
cherry
hairpie
snatch
cunt
twat
pussy

 

[tigerjen]

Candy.....

Candy can,

I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it.
I'm not the only one on Lit who has their
Anonymous feedback shut off, BTW.

I can't help it if my poems get voted on.....I can't stop
that. Since you quite new to the game here, I have
not self-promoted myself in a while on the boards.....I've
been focusing on promoting others' work.

In regards to "3.14"......it seems that you didn't get
the "joke"......"3.14" is pi in math terms....and in the
poems are diff. types of pie. My opinion is that you
did not get the gist of the poem.

That is my 2 cents.....case closed for now

TJ

 

[WickedEve]

I thought 3.14 was a very clever poem and now that I know what 3.14 means, I think it's even better! lol
Tigerjen, you haven't been promoting yourself because you've been promoting my work! Thank you! Now keep it up, or I'll get out my whip!

 

[tigerjen]

Right on, WickedEve!

I thought 3.14 was a very clever poem and now
that I know what 3.14 means, I think it's even better! lol
Tigerjen, you haven't been promoting yourself
because you've been promoting my work! Thank you!
Now keep it up, or I'll get out my whip!

WickedEve......
You're awesome! Thank you, thank you!
I am glad to hear that someone thought that "3.14"
was a clever poem.....some people just don't get
it half the time ya know......
I will keep on promoting you.....heehee about the whip!
I think your work is cool!

thank you again!

TJ

 

[Candy can]

It's a list, not a poem. Perhaps if you had come up with a rhyme or meter scheme it might have worked, but I see nothing erotic about:

hairpie
snatch
cunt
twat
pussy

 

[KillerMuffin]

While I agree that the pi poem is pretty stupid, but that's my opinion, I must interject a note of caution.

You are accusing tj of voter fraud. While fraud at Lit isn't really a big deal in the worldwide scheme of things, it is a big deal in this fishpond.

If you have concerns about voter fraud, take it up with the webmistress in a private manner. Do not make it public because you are accusing someone and besmirching their reputation. I don't like tj, and I pretty much can't stand her poetry. However, we're innocent until proven guilty here. I wouldn't want her reputation ruined by accusations that are unsupportable and may not be true.

The only person who can validate those accusations is the webmistress.

 

[tigerjen]

Killermuffin......

I don't know why you don't like me, or dislike
my poems, but that is your right and I am not going
to let it bug me.

I do agree with you.....on the point that all are
innocent until proven guilty.

TJ

 

[tigerjen]

Candy can......

It's a list, not a poem. Perhaps if you had come up with a rhyme or meter scheme it might have worked, but I see nothing erotic about:
hairpie
snatch
cunt
twat
pussy

Candy....

Everyone has their own style of writing a poem......that is
what makes certain poems stand out ....a person may or
may not like it, that is their opinion. Some poems do
have a "meter", yes, but some poems may not always
have one.

Since I see you joined up with Lit last month, I do welcome
you; however, I want to remind that most people who
journey to Literotica are here to get off and get pleasure
from others' content of writing and not always worry
about form/style/meter (I do agree spelling is a must!) in
it.

My 2 cents.....again.

TJ

 

[DarkWaves]

Ohhh! The pie poem... list... word thingy... wasn't stupid! Well, not to me. Then again, I may be simple and it doesn't take much to entertain me.
I know some of what I write needs to get lost in cyber space...
Anyway, I think Literotica is a great place! And I love reading all these different styles. So far, I haven't found anything stupid. Everything on here is someone's baby. And you should never tell a momma that she's gotta stupid baby!

 

[tigerjen]

DarkWaves.......

Ohhh! The pie poem... list... word thingy... wasn't stupid! Well, not to me. Then again, I may be simple and it doesn't take much to entertain me.
I know some of what I write needs to get lost in cyber space...
Anyway, I think Literotica is a great place! And I love reading all these different styles. So far, I haven't found anything stupid. Everything on here is someone's baby. And you should never tell a momma that she's gotta stupid baby!

DarkWaves....
I'm glad that you didn't think my "pie" poem wasn't
stupid........and yes, Literotica is a great place for
diff. styles.........I wish they had a cream pie icon to
put into replies!

TJ

PS...I loved the line about "everything on here is someone
else's baby! GOOD POINT!

 

[DarkWaves]

I wish they had a cream pie icon to put into replies!

That would be yummy for some... depending on the "pie."

But getting back to stupid... Telling someone that their poem is pretty stupid is like telling someone they are ugly! Instead you should tell the ugly person, "Hey, why don't you apply a smidgeon of pink blush to your cheeks. I think it would accentuate your cheek bones. And I bet that new hair style we saw on Jennifer Aniston would look great on you!"
This way, you're assisting in improving the looks of the ugly person. If you just say, "You're monkey ugly!" then what can they do about it? Offer suggestions for improvement. But remember the ugly person or poet with stupid poems may not agree with you. They may think things are fine the way they are.

 

[KillerMuffin]

LOL

tj doesn't need my help in poetry improvement. Me giving her advice on how to write a poem would be rather like a dog giving a nuclear engineer advice on how to deactive a core rod after it's been switched on.

I suck at poetry. That's why I don't like tj's stuff because it's poetry and I don't really care for it. I don't particularly care for tj herself because of her tacky self-promotion tactics. But, I'm entitled to my opinion.

 

[DarkWaves]

Yes, sweetbuns with a gun, you're entitled to your opinion. But it would have been better to email tj and tell her that her poem is stupid and her self-promotion is tacky. But I'm glad you didn't! It's more fun for this guy when you Lit chicks air your dirty laundry. I like a good cyber cat fight. Tigerjen, you need to jump in with claws and fangs and go at it with KillerMuffin.

 

[Guest]

3.14

In my opinion Candy Can is correct and TigerJen is wrong.

This is not a subjective opinion, but one based on literary standards. That being said, TigerJen can call whatever she wants a poem. What difference does it truly make? The members of Literotica primarily are not on this site to learn to write poetry, short stories either good or bad. They're simply here to express their erotic thoughts, feelings to a larger community for the purposes of entertainment.

Now, 3.14 if TigerJen wants that to be considered a poem then it is subject to the standards that define poetry. It fails those standards in the same way an author cannot write a story consisting of a single sentence. That is a statement. What 3.14 is in my opinion is a stream of words connected by a concept, a pun or turn on the term pi and other connotations.

It's more a joke, a bad joke, but just a joke.

It's poetry. It's also a car, a trash can, and whatever else you want it to be.

My problem with it, is that it is not erotic. Not clever for me.

SA Storm

 

[SA Storm]

Correction

 

[Manjaro_Eve]

I respect your opinion SA Storm, but...

I think, perhaps, you are put off by the fact that tigerjen's "poem" is different. It doesn't follow the "rules." But do you always follow the rules? Poetry is about expressing yourself. So why can't tigerjen express herself one word at a time, and have her words considered as poetry? There are so many styles of poetry, and someone had to come up with them at some point. (I wonder if they had a problem in the beginning?) So, this is simply tigerjen's style... like an artist who splashes the canvas with his paint brush, frames it, and sells it for thousands. He's an artist and his work is art. Some love it, some don't, but it's still art. His art!

And in its own way, it is clever! I liked the pi - pie play on words, and how the list gradually and innocently went from one type of pie to something very different and sexual. Yes, it was simple... but original!

Keep expressing yourself tigerjen!

By the way, SA, some of us are here to learn. I've been learning and having fun since I got here.

 

[RisiaSkye]

I almost didn't jump into this, because I'm tired of my work getting spammed with ones, and every time I join a conversation in this forum, it happens again. But, given the turn things have taken in that transparent little arena of late, I finally decided, and I quote--"Fuck It."

I agree that 3.14 isn't poetry. I get the joke, but it's a one trick pony. One dimensional doesn't do it for me. But, that's my opinion, right? It's certainly done well in voting, so someone must like it. Who am I to argue with success? Even my favorite authors of all time have produced work that I find substandard for various reasons. It's one opinion among several, a.k.a. No Big Deal.

Not every piece of work suits every palate, tigerjen. This isn't meant as an attack on you, but remember to read the definition of the board--a forum to discuss the work you love or hate. Someone can dislike a particular work without it being a personal attack, unless you decide to take it that way.

You get a lot of words for $.02, huh?

 

[Bluetrain]

It's a list, not a poem. Perhaps if you had come up with a rhyme or meter scheme it might have worked, but I see nothing erotic about:

hairpie
snatch
cunt
twat
pussy

hmmm. there is a subgenre of poetry called "list poems," and it's quite respected in it's own right. Skillfully crafted, a list poem can make a powerful statement. For example, here's a list poem a student of mine wrote recently:

"hollow golf ball beneath the furnace
empty litterbox in the corner
removed pet door
pawprints on the deck
washed food bowl in the cupboard
suddenly popular birdbath
stained, blue collar on the front stairs

bloodstains on the blacktop
tomorrow's rain
bloodstains on the blacktop
tomorrow's rain
bloodstains on the blacktop

my cold feet at night"



It's quite a haunting poem, and its a list poem.
now, i'm looking at tj's pie poem and wondering if its 33 syllables have any symbolic significance? perhaps if you divide the lines (16) by the syllables (33), you get a repeating number (.4848) which, like pi, and man's mystery with women, goes on forever?

tigerjen! you're a genius!

 

[SA Storm]

3.14

 

[daughter]

rules and breaking them

Risia--

You raise some valid points and since I certainly have no popularity to lose, I'll join you in being candid.

I'm all for breaking rules and stretching boundaries. However, one of the things Dr. Sanchez shared with her students is that forms won't deform you. Neither will rules choke your creativity. They are tools, options to enrich your creativity.

In every other art form, we expect the artist to study, emulate, practice, perfect. Why do we expect any less from the poet? Even if you're a hobby writer, doesnt' it matter to you that you present your best? I'm no pro, but I want to give the best I have.

Jane Kenyon wrote, "Yes. We all have something to say, and we all use language, so people think that they themselves could do this. It's like the mother who says, looking at Picaso's paintings, "My child draws better than that." Poeple don't know how hard it is to write, what a struggle it is to know what you want to say and they to say what you mean."

Poetry unlike any other art form seems to be an art that everyone believes that they can do it. They believe they needn't bother studying, practicing or honing any skills. Rather the belief seem to be that desire and raw emotion alone is enough to render art.

I can respect the individual's desire to express himself. I'd like to see the writer respected for her efforts. That does not however mean that only praise should be offered. A reader should be afforded the same opportunity to share an honest reaction to a work.

I reject the notion that rejecting a work is rejecting the person. I don't know the individual. A reply is a response to words on a page.

Peace,

daughter

 

[Manjaro_Eve]

Some of my long time, favorite poets and authors: Lord Byron, Robert Burns, Percy Bysshe Shelley, Chaucer, and Shakespeare... and now tigerjen! What can I say? I have bizarre, eclectic taste.

SA, why not hang the Renoir and poker pups, side by side? I have a Currier & Ives lithograph hanging in my living room, and on the adjacent wall hangs a print of the poker playing pooches.

 

[Bluetrain]

actually, several highly spiritually cultures, including the ancient egyptians, viewed 1+1 as equalling 3.

How? single entity (1) plus single entity (1) euqls 2. however, you also have to factor in the act of adding as a single entity as well.

so: 1 +(1) 1 = 3.

and yes, since poetry transcends PC or other social labels, words on paper can be poems, as evidenced by Snyder, cummings, etc..

p.s. should I wear my poker playing dogs tie with picasso shirt?

 

[Manjaro_Eve]

p.s. should I wear my poker playing dogs tie with picasso shirt?

Only if you're a daring nonconformist... lol

 

[REDWAVE]

Dead link

Hey, Tigress-- the link to your member page doesn't work. You might want to fix that.

As for 3.14, I think it's definitely not one of tigerjen's better poems. But I don't think it's awful either. And hey-- when you write a lot, they can't all be gems!

Re self-promotion-- sure, tj promotes herself, but she also promotes other poets. And I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with self-promotion. To me, she doesn't carry it to such an extreme where it becomes obnoxious.

 

[tigerjen]

Bluetrain, YOU ROCK!

hmmm. there is a subgenre of poetry called "list poems," and it's quite respected in it's own right. Skillfully crafted, a list poem can make a powerful statement. For example, here's a list poem a student of mine wrote recently:

"hollow golf ball beneath the furnace
empty litterbox in the corner
removed pet door
pawprints on the deck
washed food bowl in the cupboard
suddenly popular birdbath
stained, blue collar on the front stairs

bloodstains on the blacktop
tomorrow's rain
bloodstains on the blacktop
tomorrow's rain
bloodstains on the blacktop

my cold feet at night"



It's quite a haunting poem, and its a list poem.
now, i'm looking at tj's pie poem and wondering if its 33 syllables have any symbolic significance? perhaps if you divide the lines (16) by the syllables (33), you get a repeating number (.4848) which, like pi, and man's mystery with women, goes on forever?
tigerjen! you're a genius!

Bluetrain,
I want to say THANK YOU and that YOU ROCK!

I can always say to those who put down my stuff
"I told you so" but I won't. I think what Bluetrain
put up here makes a good point!

Any writings of yours would you like me to check out?

TJ