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I don't want to hijack Marquis's fascinating and fun thread, so I'm sticking this message and my response to it in a new thread.
Agreed. The implications of this are very wide-ranging and horrific.
I have not had time to read the link carefully, so I'm relying on your interpretation, Netzach. The driver's licence thing that you describe above strikes me as an extreme invasion of privacy, and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets struck down by courts quickly as unconstitutional. All it will take will be the a few actresses or model to get stalked, beaten, raped, and killed to provide a rallying point and public outcry. Of course it'll polarize the public, with a lot of smug, insane Christian right-wingers saying she deserved it for earning a living in such a dirty way.
The porn industry in this country is enormous and, at the top echelons, criminal-run. They are not going to be shut out of a lucrative new market this easily. They will "fight back" in their own powerful ways, which will be largely invisible to us right now, but someone honest will write a book about it in 20 years. If the government is smart (always an iffy proposition) they'll stick with harassing the little guys, although there are so many of them, I don't know how they're going to get a handle on this without jailing a huge proportion of the country's citizens. There just aren't enough "cops" out there to catch all the criminals, although with computer tools, they might be capable of sending many people a "form letter" or two, to put the fear of god into them.
While the internet business interation of porn, at least at the bottom of the pyramid, is composed of a lot of "little guys," I wouldn't be surprised if this issue "organized them" and caused them to join forces with the bigger guys (the large producers who have mob money backing them). LOL, can you imagine an internet porn lobby in DC? I can...almost.
As for the genunine amateurs, people just posting their own pics for fun and for free, or people who repost images on groups, doubt if the the law will ever be able to deal practically with us. There are even more people who do this sort of thing than there are people trying to earn a porn living online, and scapegoating such relative "innocents" is going to bring a lot of nasty publicity to what is, at its core, another move toward more facist population control.
Should the government actually get away with, what is, in effect, a henious crime against women and men who earn money by displaying their bodies, a number of things will happen. The bigger producers, who can afford it, will move their operations outside the US into countries that are less facists and controlled. Their sites will still be accessible to US citizens, until the US government shuts that down, too--and I don't think even this administration can get away with that sort of censorship. Like to see them try though. Second thing that will happen is that there will be a huge boom in the fake ID industry. No intelligent woman is going to want to risk having her real name and address distributed to all the insane guys who jerk off on her images or films.
But what will happen to the models who have a huge body of porn material out there on the Internet? Is everyone in the world suddenly going to be privy to the personal names and addresses of porno superstars? I'm sure they and a great many lesser-known names have non-disclosure agreements with the production houses, contracts which let them sue anybody who releases their personal information. At it's core this new 2257 legislation seems illegal and heniously criminal--that's its problem. It is a tremendous invasion of an individual's right to privacy and safety. There are going to be some huge civil rights class-action cases against the government about this, I expect.
Do you know if the law extends to non-internet versions of porn: magazines, cds, and the like? Whenever we rent a movie at the local adult bookstore, are we going to be given a list of the personal names and addresses of every actor that starred in it? If not, why not? Certainly there could be underage people performing in them as well.
By the way, I say "women" above when I talk about the stalking because, just as they comprise the overwhelming majority of rape victims, they will be the ones to suffer most from this new legislation, if only because a very large percentage of the interent porn audience is male, not female. Male actors will suffer too, but not in the numbers that the actresses will.
Netzach said:
Agreed. The implications of this are very wide-ranging and horrific.
I have not had time to read the link carefully, so I'm relying on your interpretation, Netzach. The driver's licence thing that you describe above strikes me as an extreme invasion of privacy, and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets struck down by courts quickly as unconstitutional. All it will take will be the a few actresses or model to get stalked, beaten, raped, and killed to provide a rallying point and public outcry. Of course it'll polarize the public, with a lot of smug, insane Christian right-wingers saying she deserved it for earning a living in such a dirty way.
The porn industry in this country is enormous and, at the top echelons, criminal-run. They are not going to be shut out of a lucrative new market this easily. They will "fight back" in their own powerful ways, which will be largely invisible to us right now, but someone honest will write a book about it in 20 years. If the government is smart (always an iffy proposition) they'll stick with harassing the little guys, although there are so many of them, I don't know how they're going to get a handle on this without jailing a huge proportion of the country's citizens. There just aren't enough "cops" out there to catch all the criminals, although with computer tools, they might be capable of sending many people a "form letter" or two, to put the fear of god into them.
While the internet business interation of porn, at least at the bottom of the pyramid, is composed of a lot of "little guys," I wouldn't be surprised if this issue "organized them" and caused them to join forces with the bigger guys (the large producers who have mob money backing them). LOL, can you imagine an internet porn lobby in DC? I can...almost.
As for the genunine amateurs, people just posting their own pics for fun and for free, or people who repost images on groups, doubt if the the law will ever be able to deal practically with us. There are even more people who do this sort of thing than there are people trying to earn a porn living online, and scapegoating such relative "innocents" is going to bring a lot of nasty publicity to what is, at its core, another move toward more facist population control.
Should the government actually get away with, what is, in effect, a henious crime against women and men who earn money by displaying their bodies, a number of things will happen. The bigger producers, who can afford it, will move their operations outside the US into countries that are less facists and controlled. Their sites will still be accessible to US citizens, until the US government shuts that down, too--and I don't think even this administration can get away with that sort of censorship. Like to see them try though.
Second thing that will happen is that there will be a huge boom in the fake ID industry. No intelligent woman is going to want to risk having her real name and address distributed to all the insane guys who jerk off on her images or films. But what will happen to the models who have a huge body of porn material out there on the Internet? Is everyone in the world suddenly going to be privy to the personal names and addresses of porno superstars? I'm sure they and a great many lesser-known names have non-disclosure agreements with the production houses, contracts which let them sue anybody who releases their personal information. At it's core this new 2257 legislation seems illegal and heniously criminal--that's its problem. It is a tremendous invasion of an individual's right to privacy and safety. There are going to be some huge civil rights class-action cases against the government about this, I expect.
Do you know if the law extends to non-internet versions of porn: magazines, cds, and the like? Whenever we rent a movie at the local adult bookstore, are we going to be given a list of the personal names and addresses of every actor that starred in it? If not, why not? Certainly there could be underage people performing in them as well.
By the way, I say "women" above when I talk about the stalking because, just as they comprise the overwhelming majority of rape victims, they will be the ones to suffer most from this new legislation, if only because a very large percentage of the interent porn audience is male, not female. Male actors will suffer too, but not in the numbers that the actresses will.
