1848 war memorabilia?

[butters]

does anyone know what the leather case is, specifically? i know in the picture it is with medals, but i don't know if it is a case for them or for something else.

it is embossed 'ne plus ultra issued 26 july 1848 London' and has an inner and outer sleeve, the end (top) of the inner one with a small and rough (though that may be age of the metal) metal strip attached.

crimea war memorabilia?

i have one for H and would just like to know more about it.

https://www.ukauctioneers.com/aucti...s=50&sortBy=lotsort&lotView=list&imagesOnly=N

 

[Lancecastor]

Likely Masonic.

You're welcome.

 

[Queertag45]

It's a medal case.

 

[islandman]

Is there a Brit. version of American Pickers? If yes, that show must have an online forum on knowitalls you can tap.

 

[oggbashan]

Could be associated with the Chartist movement.

There were fears in July 1848 that the Chartist movement could occupy London.

 

[butters]

Is there a Brit. version of American Pickers? If yes, that show must have an online forum on knowitalls you can tap.

not that i know of but there have to be sites that'll know. i thought spectacles, or medals, but it's that strip of metal that confuses me and wondered if it was related to matches in any way - they used to be a lot longer.

 

[butters]

Could be associated with the Chartist movement.

There were fears in July 1848 that the Chartist movement could occupy London.

ok, could google but maybe you can tell me?

with your knowledge of old stuff, i was hoping you might know what its purpose was

 

[Pookie]

Here is a British medals forum I found using google ...

http://www.britishmedalforum.com/

 

[Pookie]

Another forum ...

http://www.historicalwarmilitariaforum.com/

 

[butters]

Here is a British medals forum I found using google ...

http://www.britishmedalforum.com/

thanks, pookie. guess i could sign up to ask

 

[pointless]

Google the revolutions of 1848. It's the only thing I can think of.

 

[Pookie]

thanks, pookie. guess i could sign up to ask

You're welcome. Hopefully someone will know.

 

[butters]

Another forum ...

http://www.historicalwarmilitariaforum.com/

Google the revolutions of 1848. It's the only thing I can think of.

yeah, the european revolutions - but i did see the crimean war reference too.

the link pookie posted above has a soldiers' accoutrements forum for the british army from 1700 to 1900. that should know.

 

[oggbashan]

ok, could google but maybe you can tell me?

with your knowledge of old stuff, i was hoping you might know what its purpose was

It looks like a cigar case.

Ne Plus Ultra was the national motto of Spain. It means, among other things, "nothing beyond" or "nothing better". Spain considered itself the end of the civilised world (before the discovery of the Americas.

London is the confusing part. 1848 was the year of Revolutions in Europe but the Chartist movement in the UK effectively ended in April. The demands of the Chartists eventually reformed democratic processes in England but their mass movement dwindled away in 1848.

 

[butters]

It looks like a cigar case.

Ne Plus Ultra was the national motto of Spain. It means, among other things, "nothing beyond" or "nothing better". Spain considered itself the end of the civilised world (before the discovery of the Americas.

oooh, a cigar case - would they have kept strikes in the same case, dya think?

i knew the ne plus ultra phrase, and discovered its origins when i first started looking, but the 'Issued' and 'London', the issued more particularly, had me thinking military connections.

 

[butters]

It looks like a cigar case.

Ne Plus Ultra was the national motto of Spain. It means, among other things, "nothing beyond" or "nothing better". Spain considered itself the end of the civilised world (before the discovery of the Americas.

London is the confusing part. 1848 was the year of Revolutions in Europe but the Chartist movement in the UK effectively ended in April. The demands of the Chartists eventually reformed democratic processes in England but their mass movement dwindled away in 1848.

and the crimean didn't start till '53 so it can't be related to that.

it's fun finding this stuff out though.

 

[Pookie]

It looks like a cigar case.

Ne Plus Ultra was the national motto of Spain. It means, among other things, "nothing beyond" or "nothing better". Spain considered itself the end of the civilised world (before the discovery of the Americas.

London is the confusing part. 1848 was the year of Revolutions in Europe but the Chartist movement in the UK effectively ended in April. The demands of the Chartists eventually reformed democratic processes in England but their mass movement dwindled away in 1848.

Bingo.

https://img0.etsystatic.com/155/0/6694391/il_340x270.1103488908_ezj0.jpg

https://www.etsy.com/market/cigar_case

 

[oggbashan]

Added:

It WAS the motto of the highest degree of Freemasonry - Kadash.

There are now higher degrees but Ne Plus Ultra is still a Masonic motto for the highest rank.

So IF the owner attained the Masonry rank of Kadash he might have been presented with a cigar case showing the motto, the place and date of achieving that rank.

 

[cfuhrer]

Likely Masonic.

You're welcome.

It would have other markings on it.

 

[oggbashan]

It would have other markings on it.

Not necessarily. Masons were not supposed to flaunt their membership so if it wasn't for use at a Masonic Temple its meaning would be deliberately obscure (but obvious to fellow Masons).

 

[pointless]

googling the regiment says they were involved in a war in india only a couple of years prior to 1848, so yeah. that's all i got.

 

[butters]

Bingo.

https://img0.etsystatic.com/155/0/6694391/il_340x270.1103488908_ezj0.jpg

https://www.etsy.com/market/cigar_case

YAY! i KNEW i could rely on you guys here

Added:

It WAS the motto of the highest degree of Freemasonry - Kadash.

There are now higher degrees but Ne Plus Ultra is still a Masonic motto for the highest rank.

So IF the owner attained the Masonry rank of Kadash he might have been presented with a cigar case showing the motto, the place and date of achieving that rank.

neato!

at least we know it was a cigar case. maybe, if i find time, i can look more into that masonic link. thanks, ogg

 

[Pookie]

YAY! i KNEW i could rely on you guys here

*curtsy*

 

[oggbashan]

Ne Plus Ultra also appeared on Victorian underwear buttons and corkscrews.

In both cases it was meant to mean "the best of its kind".

The Spanish changed their motto from "Ne Plus Ultra" traditionally inscribed on the Pillars of Hercules to "Plus Ultra" after Columbus.

 

[butters]

It would have other markings on it.

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Not necessarily. Masons were not supposed to flaunt their membership so if it wasn't for use at a Masonic Temple its meaning would be deliberately obscure (but obvious to fellow Masons).

the legend is inside a sort of fancy shield shape and there's a crown above the NE PLUS ULTRA, and on the back it says WARRANTED.

the stitching is really fine on the seams. but best of all, it's so tactile, and such a lovely dark yet mellow colour.

Ne Plus Ultra also appeared on Victorian underwear buttons and corkscrews.

In both cases it was meant to mean "the best of its kind".

The Spanish changed their motto from "Ne Plus Ultra" traditionally inscribed on the Pillars of Hercules to "Plus Ultra" after Columbus.

it appears all over the damned place, even on modern stuff like sunglasses