109 women prosecuted for false rape claims - feminist fee fees are hurt

[LJ_Reloaded]

Let the bleeding butthurt flow.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

At least 109 women have been prosecuted in the last five years for making false rape allegations in the UK, according to campaigners who are calling for an end to what they claim is the aggressive pursuit of such cases.

On Tuesday, the charity Women Against Rape (War) is taking its campaign to the House of Commons, where some of those who have been jailed for lying about rape allegations will speak out against their treatment by the authorities.

The vast majority of the convictions in the last five years, 98 out of 109, involved prosecutions for perverting the course of justice – which carries a maximum life jail term – rather than the lesser offence of wasting police time, which has a maximum tariff of six months in prison or a fine.

A US law professor, who will be speaking at the Commons, said the UK’s stance on false allegations is more aggressive than in countries such as the United States, Canada and Australia. Prof Lisa Avalos, of the University of Arkansas, said false allegations in the US were dealt with as a misdemeanour offence, not a felony – and most women were not jailed if found guilty.

“In the course of my research I have not found any country that pursues these cases against women rape complainants in the way the UK does. The UK has an unusual approach and I think their approach violates human rights,” she said.

 

[PayDay]

Stifled and buried genuine rape cases are a problem equal to false claims.

http://www.thecrimenumbersgame.com/
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/18/police-crime-figures-manipulation-chief-inspector
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2014/Chicago-crime-rates/

Toxicology tests showed she had heroin and alcohol in her system, but not enough to kill her. All signs pointed to foul play. According to the young woman’s mother, who had filed a missing-person report, the police had no doubt. “When this detective came to my house, he said, ‘We found your daughter. . . . Your daughter has been murdered,’ ” Alice Groves recalls. “He told me they’re going to get the one that did it.”

On October 28, a pathologist ruled the death of Tiara Groves a homicide by “unspecified means.” This rare ruling means yes, somebody had killed Groves, but the pathologist couldn’t pinpoint the exact cause of death.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Let the bleeding butthurt flow.

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

At least 109 women have been prosecuted in the last five years for making false rape allegations in the UK, according to campaigners who are calling for an end to what they claim is the aggressive pursuit of such cases.

On Tuesday, the charity Women Against Rape (War) is taking its campaign to the House of Commons, where some of those who have been jailed for lying about rape allegations will speak out against their treatment by the authorities.

The vast majority of the convictions in the last five years, 98 out of 109, involved prosecutions for perverting the course of justice – which carries a maximum life jail term – rather than the lesser offence of wasting police time, which has a maximum tariff of six months in prison or a fine.

A US law professor, who will be speaking at the Commons, said the UK’s stance on false allegations is more aggressive than in countries such as the United States, Canada and Australia. Prof Lisa Avalos, of the University of Arkansas, said false allegations in the US were dealt with as a misdemeanour offence, not a felony – and most women were not jailed if found guilty.

“In the course of my research I have not found any country that pursues these cases against women rape complainants in the way the UK does. The UK has an unusual approach and I think their approach violates human rights,” she said.

Life in prison does seem a bit excessive but six months is probably not enough. The liar should get at least as much prison time as the accused would have gotten if he or she had been convicted, especially if the accusation is malicious.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Stifled and buried genuine rape cases are a problem equal to false claims.

http://www.thecrimenumbersgame.com/
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/18/police-crime-figures-manipulation-chief-inspector
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2014/Chicago-crime-rates/

The moment you talk about false rape claims the feminists go "but what about teh wimmenz"...

This is about false rape claims and people who are victimized by them. You already get tons of air time about victims of rape. Can you tolerate 5 minutes out of 365 days of air time being reserved to something that isn't about catering to feminists?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Life in prison does seem a bit excessive but six months is probably not enough. The liar should get at least as much prison time as the accused would have gotten if he or she had been convicted, especially if the accusation is malicious.

Good point there.

 

[badbabysitter]

false allegations are treated the same no matter what the crime....it's being challenged because the UK specifically treats false rape allegations by women as different then false allegations of literally any other crime

why specifically women making false allegations is treated as more heinous should be the question you're asking

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

false allegations are treated the same no matter what the crime....it's being challenged because the UK specifically treats false rape allegations by women as different then false allegations of literally any other crime

why specifically women making false allegations is treated as more heinous should be the question you're asking

No they're not treating false rape allegations differently than other allegations.

They're treating them as acts of malice and a waste of law enforcement's time.

You know, you feminists like to crow about how women aren't as violent as men - the reality is y'all mostly like to get men to do your violence for you. Like when Tonya Harding got her ex-husband to fuck up Nancy Kerrigan and then later falsely accused him of rape, forcing him to change his name to protect his life, when women vindictively hurl false rape claims SPECIFICALLY so random male white knights can come and beat the guy senseless,

wait for it

when a woman's false rape claim got an entire city of black people killed or run out of town (Rosewood)

Most of the time, though, women falsely accuse guys to get the police or law enforcement system to fuck the dude up.

 

[badbabysitter]

actually.. they are specifically treating womens false allegations as different then say mens false allegations

in this case.. men's false allegations are treated merely as assault allegations.. but womens false allegations are treated as sexual assault allegations

that.. by very definition.. is two different punishments for the same crime


if this is anything, it's an indictment on how men are not perceived as victims ..

if you truly wanted this to be less about feminism and more men's rights..you'd want men treated the same way

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

actually.. they are specifically treating womens false allegations as different then say mens false allegations

And in this same drug crazed reality, the universe revolves around the Earth and all politicians are honest people.

 

[Wynfield]

While this is really sad I do think that we as a society have to do more to prevent sexual harassment and assault. It is a serious problem at colleges and in the military. One day when I have daughters I want them to be safe. 1 out of every 6 American women will either be raped or have someone try to rape them in their lifetime. We need to bring this down to 0.

 

[Boxlicker101]

While this is really sad I do think that we as a society have to do more to prevent sexual harassment and assault. It is a serious problem at colleges and in the military. One day when I have daughters I want them to be safe. 1 out of every 6 American women will either be raped or have someone try to rape them in their lifetime. We need to bring this down to 0.

I doubt that anybody will disagree with you, but men and boys are also sometimes victims of assault and sexual harassment and this should be prevented too. One reason for the serious penalties for false reports of rape, besides tarnishing the reputation of the falsely accused, is that it tends to lessen the perceived seriousness of genuine rape.

 

[PayDay]

No they're not treating false rape allegations differently than other allegations.

They're treating them as acts of malice and a waste of law enforcement's time.

They often treat all rape claims this way, made in good faith or not, male or female. Ask me how I know.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

false allegations are treated the same no matter what the crime....it's being challenged because the UK specifically treats false rape allegations by women as different then false allegations of literally any other crime

why specifically women making false allegations is treated as more heinous should be the question you're asking

Because when a woman makes a rape allegation it will carry more weight due to the deterrence the penalty of making a false accusation provides?

Did I get it right?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

While this is really sad I do think that we as a society have to do more to prevent sexual harassment and assault. It is a serious problem at colleges and in the military. One day when I have daughters I want them to be safe. 1 out of every 6 American women will either be raped or have someone try to rape them in their lifetime. We need to bring this down to 0.

You mean the way we brought murders down to 0?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I doubt that anybody will disagree with you, but men and boys are also sometimes victims of assault and sexual harassment and this should be prevented too. One reason for the serious penalties for false reports of rape, besides tarnishing the reputation of the falsely accused, is that it tends to lessen the perceived seriousness of genuine rape.

False allegations makes people believe real victims less. It's not just that way with regards to rape, it's that way with all crimes. It's called the 'crying wolf' effect.

Also, men who are accused of rape can wind up dead as a result. Feminists like to ignore or downplay this because, well, they don't like men at all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-accused-of-rape-beaten-to-death-by-gang.html

Also see the ROSEWOOD massacre and the Tulsa race riots - both were due to false rape accusations.

 

[badbabysitter]

You see, the UK did a big ass study on false accusations way back in 2005 and found that in many cases of " false accusations" that they had been anything but false accusations

here , let me give you a quote to summarize

The interviews with police officers and complainants’ responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. This reproduces an investigative culture in which elements that might permit a designation of a false complaint are emphasised (later sections reveal how this also feeds into withdrawals and designation of ‘insufficient evidence’), at the expense of a careful investigation, in which the evidence collected is evaluated

the 2006 Cambridge study also seemed to confirm this in which showed that the veracity of accusations were often based on how the police officers felt about the alleged victim. The study noted that some investigators have fixed views and expectations about how genuine rape victims should react to their victimization and that qualitative research also suggests that some officers continue to exhibit an unjustified scepticism of rape complainants, while others interpret such things as lack of evidence or complaint withdrawal as 'proof' of a false allegation."

furthermore

in the 2005, 2006, and 2010 study on it.. it was noted that many factors were also included as " proof" of a false accusation..such as withdrawl of charges, lack of direct evidence, not co-operating with the police... or that force or a weapon were not used...if no injuries were sustained... if the subject ad a previous sexual history with the accused


while certainly not all false accusations are true.. to predicate the belief that they are this widespread terror tactic used to oppress men is ludicrous and downright insulting to basic logic

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

You see, the UK did a big ass study on false accusations way back in 2005 and found that in many cases of " false accusations" that they had been anything but false accusations

here , let me give you a quote to summarize

The interviews with police officers and complainants’ responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. This reproduces an investigative culture in which elements that might permit a designation of a false complaint are emphasised (later sections reveal how this also feeds into withdrawals and designation of ‘insufficient evidence’), at the expense of a careful investigation, in which the evidence collected is evaluated

the 2006 Cambridge study also seemed to confirm this in which showed that the veracity of accusations were often based on how the police officers felt about the alleged victim. The study noted that some investigators have fixed views and expectations about how genuine rape victims should react to their victimization and that qualitative research also suggests that some officers continue to exhibit an unjustified scepticism of rape complainants, while others interpret such things as lack of evidence or complaint withdrawal as 'proof' of a false allegation."

furthermore

in the 2005, 2006, and 2010 study on it.. it was noted that many factors were also included as " proof" of a false accusation..such as withdrawl of charges, lack of direct evidence, not co-operating with the police... or that force or a weapon were not used...if no injuries were sustained... if the subject ad a previous sexual history with the accused


while certainly not all false accusations are true.. to predicate the belief that they are this widespread terror tactic used to oppress men is ludicrous and downright insulting to basic logic

But nobody's calling it a widespread terror tactic. What people are saying is that false rape accusations hurt women and can get male victims killed.

Your fee fee's are so terribly hurt by this that you have to try to derail this in an argument over what percentages of rape accusations are false or malicious and that's not even the point.

And you just. Don't. Fucking. Get. It.

 

[badbabysitter]

But nobody's calling it a widespread terror tactic. What people are saying is that false rape accusations hurt women and can get male victims killed.

Your fee fee's are so terribly hurt by this that you have to try to derail this in an argument over what percentages of rape accusations are false or malicious and that's not even the point.

And you just. Don't. Fucking. Get. It.

then why are you out of the gate saying that the victims of these allegations are the ones that are really hurting here... and saying and dong nothing that would suggest that these false accusations may not be what they seem

you have already determined that these women going forward to complain about their treatment is..and I quote "feminist fee fees are hurt"

this diminishes any validity right from the get go

I'm not trying to derail anything you said.. I just want you to look deeper at a subject then just your distaste for feminism

these people going forward can just as easily been men having their accusations being labeled " false"... and if my discussion about false accusations is any indicator .. it would show men would get it even harder........ but you have directly implied that false accusations should be meted out with harsh justice

and if it is harder for men to prove their accusations... are you just as willing to punish them as you are willing to punish women for doing the same thing

 

[Kitty]

*googles "fee fees"*

 

[badbabysitter]

*googles "fee fees"*

it's just an attempt to diminish people by saying their feelings got hurt because they want rape accusations taken seriously

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

then why are you out of the gate saying that the victims of these allegations are the ones that are really hurting here... and saying and dong nothing that would suggest that these false accusations may not be what they seem

Because a woman who hurls false rape allegations could get jail time at worst.
A man who is falsely accused of rape could get killed.
Other women rape victims could get denied justice because of previous women crying wolf.

Is this so hard for you to understand? My GOD, woman.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

it's just an attempt to diminish people by saying their feelings got hurt because they want rape accusations taken seriously

Your feelings are hurt because women who maliciously hurl FALSE rape accusations are getting punished.

You literally lied about the subject matter right here. But that's what feminists do.

 

[badbabysitter]

Because a woman who hurls false rape allegations could get jail time at worst.
A man who is falsely accused of rape could get killed.
Other women rape victims could get denied justice because of previous women crying wolf.

Is this so hard for you to understand? My GOD, woman.

but if that man who made false accusastions actually had been raped.. you'd be okay with them being punished


that's what I'm saying here.. not all false accusations are false.. and that goes for both men and women

if this were men fighting for their rights when it came to false accusations.. methinks you'd be singing a different tune

 

[badbabysitter]

Your feelings are hurt because women who maliciously hurl FALSE rape accusations are getting punished.

You literally lied about the subject matter right here. But that's what feminists do.

my feelings arent hurt at all

how do you know that the women in your OP are malicously hurling false accusations?

there is literally nothing in that piece to suggest so

you literally lied about the subject matter right there. But that's what people who are trying to score gender politics do

 

[oggbashan]

The number of women convicted of making false accusations of rape is very small. Even when convicted, the penalties are usually light.

The damage done to the man accused can be severe, and even if the allegation is not proven, the mud can stick, wrecking his life.

Extracts from the CPS (Prosecutors) Advice. (I have bolded some passages):

10. A person who deliberately makes a false allegation in the knowledge that there is a risk that the police will conduct an investigation may be guilty of perverting the course of justice. But, in reaching a decision to prosecute, the prosecutor must be able to prove that the allegation was in fact false. If there is any question as to whether the original allegation might in fact have been true, then there is not a realistic prospect of conviction, and no charge of perverting the course of justice should be brought.

11. Many rape or domestic violence cases will consist of one person's word against another's. Where this is the case, if the complainant no longer supports the prosecution, it should not be assumed that the original allegation was made with the intention of perverting the course of justice. It follows that when the complainant no longer wishes to support the prosecution but maintains that the allegation is in fact true, this is unlikely to be sufficient in itself to found a case for perverting the course of justice.

12. The prosecutor should be aware that complainants may sometimes retract a true allegation. For example they may be subjected to pressure, fear of violence, or intimidation, which may itself constitute a criminal offence. Other factors which may also be relevant include: a desire to give an existing relationship another chance; the impact upon children; embarrassment; a fear of going to court; family/community pressure which may stem from the immediate and extended family, the wider community and from cultural traditions; insecure immigration status; and mental health issues/learning disabilities. These examples are not exhaustive.

13. It is known that in such cases, a complainant who has been told that his/her refusal to give the prosecution his/her continued support will not necessarily mean that the case is not pursued, may say that she/he fabricated the original allegation. This on the face of it amounts to an admission to perverting the course of justice, but in such cases there is a risk that the complainant may have admitted to an offence she/he has not committed in an effort simply to bring the prosecution to an end.

14. When prosecutors are considering the case of complainants who have retracted allegations of rape or domestic violence, they should always ask themselves the following questions.

15. First, whether there is evidence which tends to suggest that the original allegation was or may have been true. Such evidence might include:

medical evidence,
the tape of any 999 call,
any CCTV footage,
any other evidence (e.g. witnesses, DNA).

16. Second, whether there is a background of domestic violence which may have influenced the complainant's decision to retract. Useful sources of information may include any voluntary specialist support services, Independent Domestic Violence Advisor (IDVA) or Independent Sexual Violence Advisor (ISVA) involved in the case. Prosecutors might also consider the complainant's GP records, the Multi-agency Risk Assessment Conference (MARAC) notes, the Domestic Abuse, Stalking and Harassment, and Honour-based and Forced Marriage (DASH) risk assessment, or whether there have been previous call-outs of the police to the address.

***

24. There may be highly exceptional circumstances in which a prosecution may be appropriate following the retraction of a truthful allegation. For example, where an unconvicted offender continues to commit crimes and escape justice, and this puts other members of the public at risk. However, when applying the public interest stage of the Full Code Test, prosecutors should bear in mind the comments of the Lord Chief Justice in A (R v A [2010] EWCA Crim 2913) that "experience shows that the withdrawal of a truthful complaint of crime committed in a domestic environment usually stems from pressures, sometimes direct, sometimes indirect, sometimes immensely subtle, which are consequent on the nature of the individual relationship and the characters of the people who are involved in it."

25. On the other hand, prosecutors should bear in mind that a false allegation of rape or domestic violence can have a devastating effect upon the person who has been wrongly accused.

26. Applying the public interest factors set out in the Code, prosecutors should bear in mind that a prosecution for perverting the course of justice is more likely to be required where:

a false complaint was motivated by malice
a false complaint was sustained over a period of time (particularly where there were opportunities to retract)
the suspect in the original allegation was charged and remanded in custody
the suspect in the original allegation was tried, convicted and/or sentenced
the person who made the original allegation has previous convictions or out-of-court disposals relevant to this offence, or a history of making demonstrably false complaints
the suspect in the original allegation was in a vulnerable position or had been taken advantage of
the suspect in the original allegation has sustained significant damage to his or her reputation.

27. Applying the public interest factors set out in the Code, prosecutors should bear in mind that a prosecution is less likely to be required where:

the original allegation appears not to have been motivated by malice
the person retracting the allegation has been threatened or pressurised into doing so by the suspect of the original allegation, his or her family, friends or other persons
there is a history of abuse or domestic violence or intimidation which might offer mitigation such as to make it likely that a nominal penalty will be imposed
the suspect of the original allegation was not charged, detained or convicted and has not suffered damage to his or her reputation as a result of the original allegation
the person who made the original allegation appears not fully to have understood the seriousness of making a false allegation bearing in mind his or her age and maturity
the person who made the original allegation appears not fully to have understood the seriousness of making a false allegation bearing in mind any learning disability or mental health issues.