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Man sent to prison for tales of child sex, torture

07/05/01

COLUMBUS - A man who wrote in his journal fictitious tales of sexually abusing and torturing children has been sentenced to 10 years in prison.

A civil-rights lawyer questioned the prosecution of Brian Dalton, saying the case has free-speech implications.

"What you're saying is somebody can't, in essence, confess their fantasy into a personal journal for fear they have socially unacceptable fantasies, then ultimately they end up getting prosecuted," said Benson Wolman, a former director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Ohio.

"This is the only case that I know of where we are talking about a journal - just written words. It surprises and offends me that an action should be brought based on a journal," he said.

Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien called the case a "breakthrough" in the battle against child pornography.

Dalton, 22, of Columbus, was charged with pandering obscenity involving a minor after his probation officer found the journal during a routine search of his home. He was on probation from a 1998 pandering conviction involving photographs of child pornography.

The 14-page journal contains the names and ages - 10 and 11 - of three children who had been placed in a cage in a basement. It details how the children were sexually molested and tortured.

The contents were so disturbing that members of a grand jury asked a detective to stop reading after about two pages, said Christian Domis, an assistant county prosecutor.

"It was seriously the most disturbing thing I ever read," Domis said. "There was a woman on the grand jury who was crying."

Dalton pleaded guilty, and prosecutors, in exchange, dropped a second pandering charge.

"I know what I wrote was disturbing," he told Franklin County Common Pleas Judge Nodine Miller at his sentencing Tuesday. "Over the past few months, I looked back at it and realized it was not something I could do. I don't know how I imagined to write anything like that."

Prosecutors said police at first were concerned that the stories were real. However, Dalton said they were fictitious, and there was no evidence to the contrary, Domis said.

The indictment accused Dalton of creating, reproducing or publishing obscene material involving a minor.

Wolman said he cannot recall an obscenity case involving "mere words that were not disseminated." Dalton said he never intended for anyone else to read the journal.

"It is just this kind of thing, I think, that is a misapplication of what the law intends," Wolman said.

Dalton would have faced up to 16 years in prison if convicted of both charges.

"The law hasn't really been challenged and he would have had the opportunity to do that," defense attorney Isabella Dixon said. "But the cost to him is a lot of time in jail to challenge it."
 
That was just a shot across the bow to all you pornographers. One by one, we will pluck you all from your den of perversion. Repent now, and sin no more.
 
I really need to think about this one. Do you go to jail for contemplating a crime? As conservative as I am, I don't think it right to put someone to jail for their fantasies. Maybe some surveillance on this guy for the potential of acting these out, but I am amazed at this outcome.
 
Back up everyone. The man was on probation for child pornography when this happened. On PROBATION. That means you're allowed to go free IF...

It's that IF the story should be focused on. Being on Probation does not mean you've got all your rights back, and having no truck with child pornography, private or not, is most very likely a condition of his probation.

There's no way in Heaven or Hell anyone in this country is going to jail just for something he wrote in his journal. It's absolutely likely this guy is going to jail for breaking the terms of his probation.

Not that the ACLU doesn't have a case here, but let's all relax and stop freaking out about visions of Thought Police, and try getting all the facts straight first.
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
Back up everyone. The man was on probation for child pornography when this happened. On PROBATION. That means you're allowed to go free IF...

It's that IF the story should be focused on. Being on Probation does not mean you've got all your rights back, and having no truck with child pornography, private or not, is most very likely a condition of his probation.

There's no way in Heaven or Hell anyone in this country is going to jail just for something he wrote in his journal. It's absolutely likely this guy is going to jail for breaking the terms of his probation.

Not that the ACLU doesn't have a case here, but let's all relax and stop freaking out about visions of Thought Police, and try getting all the facts straight first.


Well, Now that Im straight on that, I will rest easier at night. Since he was on probation I think he should go to jail. I have no tolerance for those guys.
 
Originally posted by Dixon Carter Lee
Not that the ACLU doesn't have a case here, but let's all relax and stop freaking out about visions of Thought Police, and try getting all the facts straight first.
It does give me reason to ponder having watched the progressive acceptance of the "Political Correctness" ideas over the past few years and now the adamant advocacy of creating laws defining "hate crimes" under which the criminal is to be punished not for his crime, but for his thoughts leading to or during the commission of it. Doesn't this raise the specter of the idea of Thought Police?
 
first off let me say that i think this guy is scum and i think he should be beaten . with that said , i don't think that he should be beaten and sent to prison for a journal . we are supposed to protect the right to free speach , no matter how perverse . this guy is seriously derranged and i think he probably would stike again . but this particular case raises too many questions about the first amendment . and i think that the only reason this man is in prison is becasue the grand jury viewed his journal as obscene . and that is not the job of a grand jury!
 
Unclebill said:

It does give me reason to ponder having watched the progressive acceptance of the "Political Correctness" ideas over the past few years and now the adamant advocacy of creating laws defining "hate crimes" under which the criminal is to be punished not for his crime, but for his thoughts leading to or during the commission of it. Doesn't this raise the specter of the idea of Thought Police?

It's good to see a libertarian speak out against Bush and the Right Wing RepubliKan Nazis.
 
Originally posted by Unregistered
It's good to see a libertarian speak out against Bush and the Right Wing RepubliKan Nazis.
Nice try but the Left/Liberal/Democrat faction are the champions of these particular causes. You really should get your information straight. If you notice, it is the same people who are advocating the present effort at campaign reform which is a poorly masked suppression of freedom of speech and a measure designed to assure reelection of the incumbent politician.

And if you will recall, Bush declined to sign into law a proposed Texas statute creating a hate crime category of law.

And get a spinal implant.
 
WriterDom said:
Man sent to prison for tales of child sex, torture

"Over the past few months, I looked back at it and realized it was not something I could do. I don't know how I imagined to write anything like that."

Many of us here at the BB are writers of one sort or another. Now, I want it known, that I am in no way making excuses for this man or what he did (and I have heard numerous cases of ppl going to prison for breaking parole, no matter how slightly they did it). But .. as for writing.... we can imagine anything and write about anything.. that doesn't make us guilty or perverted or sick or demented.

I have been asked, and comtemplated, to write a story which takes place in a prison between guard and inmate. I have never (nor will i ever) engage in sexual actvities with inmates but even so, I know I could write it very convincingly, but I won't. All it takes is for the wrong person to get it in their hands and I would be out of a job, a career. For them, it would be proof of my guilt.

When I was in training to be a correctional officer we were taught; If it is in writing then it happened, and it happened the way it was written.
 
as for going to jail for thoughts, hmmmm where is big brother.....but breaking probabtion is an entirely different story.....wondering how these scum bags, still exist..............

p.s. savage........would love to be your inmate :p :p :p
 
hmmmmm april and savage were.........................When I was in training to be a correctional officer we were taught; If it is in writing then it happened, and it happened the way it was written.....:) ................just a light hearted fun :)
 
I think a distinction needs to be made here between incest and child abuse. Too often people seem to assume they are synonimous. I have yet to encounter a story here that involved child abuse, either inside or outside of a family.


Unclebill, you are just flat wrong. Being against campaign finance reform and hate crime laws does not make the Republicans champions of freedom of speech. When it comes to pornography and that sort of thing, there are plenty of republicans who want to meddle with what people do with their lives. Like pretty much the entire Christian right. Don't even try to deny it.
 
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Originally posted by Young Knave
I think a distinction needs to be made here between incest and child abuse. Too often people seem to assume they are synonimous. I have yet to encounter a story here that involved child abuse, either inside or outside of a family.
There is a distinct difference between incest and child abuse/molestation. But if I remember the stats correctly, most molestation is perpetrated either by family members or close family friends. A relatively small percentage is actually perpetrated by strangers.

And I tend to take a severe attitude toward molesters. It is my considered opinion that the death penalty is too lenient. For this particular class of criminal I would seek an exception to Amendment VIII and try to invoke burning at the stake in the public square.

Originally posted by Young Knave
Unclebill, you are just flat wrong. Being against campaign finance reform and hate crime laws does not make the Republicans champions of freedom of speech. When it comes to pornography and that sort of thing, there are plenty of republicans who want to meddle with what people do with their lives. Like pretty much the entire Christian right. Don't even try to deny it.
Considering the intent of the Founders to assure the protection of those who express political dissent, I was pointing out that in this respect, it is the Republicans/Conservatives who defend free speech and the opposing ideology which seeks to constrain and limit dissent with their objectives.

I well remember the Meese Commission of the Reagan Presidency and that they could never put pornography into objectively definable terms.

For this reason, I do not believe they can achieve it today with even more freedom of communication available. Pornography is a very subjective thing. I challenge anyone to get two randomly selected people to agree on more than perhaps one item if that many.

And the final argument I offer is the "slippery slope" idea. Because if you allow restriction of any speech, you have accepted the legitimacy of censorship and all speech is then subject to censors.
 
uhhh... yayati no baka, that was totally fucked over what the hell are you sayin'?
 
Witch Hunt...

Anything between Consenting Adults...

If Jerry Fallwell doesn't like it, why doesn't he run for president?...
Because he knows he wouldn't win
 
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