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Never

Never

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Has anyone heard or come up with a good non-acronym for the BDSM community? I could say 'non-vanilla' but that just sounds foolish.

I'm going on an anti-acronym binge. I don't know why.

Also, what's this PYL and pyl term people are all hot-potatoes about? I turn my back for five minutes and you come up with another one?

Instead of making new acronyms you should be teaching newbies how to correctly use the English language.

Dominant – Adjective
1. exercising influence or control

Television plays a dominant role in molding public opinion on BDSM

Dominate – Verb
1. Have dominance over
2. Be in control; rule the roost

Successful masters dominate events rather than react to them.
 
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that the term "pyl" is utterly annoying now, esp. when used in a sentence like this.."it is the responsibility of the PYL to make sure that the pyl serves the PYL properly..."
 
rosco rathbone said:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that the term "pyl" is utterly annoying now, esp. when used in a sentence like this.."it is the responsibility of the PYL to make sure that the pyl serves the PYL properly..."
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Oh you are going to hate my new thread then.
 
PYL/pyl stands for pick-your-label, and is particular to Lit, so far as I know. In fact, I recall this being the creditable invention of AA, he can correct me if I am wrong. It's a very clever aversion of needing to go off on a tangent, as per my following rant.

Online, people are completly hyped about the words, whereas in my 3 dimensional life no one seems to get confused if I refer to my bottom (who is extremely submissive) or my bottom (who I also call my slave) and correct me in that a bottom refers only to a physical decision to be the do-ee in a scene, blah blah. They know who I'm talking about.

Whereas online this kind of shorthand can lead to unneccessary re-discussion of what's a Master/Mistress/Top/Daddy every time you say something, sometimes. Or, God forbid you say "SM" in a way that's inclusive of BDSM D/s. To me, SM is the whole enchilada, sorry folks, no vanilla-calming press releases here.

So, I guess that's why the proliferation of acronyms.
 
rosco rathbone said:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that the term "pyl" is utterly annoying now, esp. when used in a sentence like this.."it is the responsibility of the PYL to make sure that the pyl serves the PYL properly..."
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There's always a first time.

I actually agree with Rosco 100% on this one.

I utterly hate the PYL/pyl nonsense that has proliferated on this board.

Christ, you people are too lazy to spell submissive? Dominant? People are too mentally bereft to think outside the male top/female bottom box and apply it to their own situation? C'mon people...really.

When did PC become so fucking important we had to create something as meaningless and dead as PYL/pyl?

AA, I mean no personal disrespect, I understand what you were shooting for. It's just the idea that drives me personally batshit :p

~anelize
 
AnelizeDarkEyes said:
AA, I mean no personal disrespect, I understand what you were shooting for. It's just the idea that drives me personally batshit :p

~anelize
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Oh trust me, i understand. i've started using partner as a replacement when i can. i'm getting a little sick of the PC bullshit as well, and my apologies for copping your sigline when i've reached my torque limit.
 
AngelicAssassin said:
Oh trust me, i understand. i've started using partner as a replacement when i can. i'm getting a little sick of the PC bullshit as well, and my apologies for copping your sigline when i've reached my torque limit.
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*grin*

no apologies necessary....

It is a good one, isn't it! LOL!

:rose:

~anelize
 
First off, I'd like to thank you for this anti-acronym moment. I'm getting a bit misty-eyed here...

Netzach,
You're right, from now on I'll just write sadomasochism and damn the torpid-Os.

Angelic Assassin,
I understand why you'd want to create something like PYL and have no ire directed at you. Yes, I understand the purpose of that thread but I think one thread is not enough. I mean bringing spelling and grammar to the internet masses. I'm talking about my own, personal blitzkrieg on the next idiot who tells me he's a "real denominater".
 
Never said:
but I think one thread is not enough.
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Some of us got a little irritated in other threads as well. The irritant took it well, but others didn't. FU compromised with a single thread to keep conversation moving in the remainder.
Never said:
I'm talking about my own, personal blitzkrieg on the next idiot who tells me he's a "real denominater".
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1D10T5?
 
BDSM = chocalate, kink, perversion
PyL = Pill, younameit, wizzermazassaysit
 
it seems that acronyms are just a natural part of the internet, if there's a term used quite frequently, someone will make an acronym for it.....
 
I'm not very fond of the acronym thing myself, but rather than listen to <insert whiner here> bitching about me using the word submissive instead of slave/bitch/slut/little grrl or boi or boy or girl... I'll willingly be lazy and employ pyl. I prefer to save my self-righteous ire for Pure. :D
 
sunfox said:
I'm not very fond of the acronym thing myself, but rather than listen to <insert whiner here> bitching about me using the word submissive instead of slave/bitch/slut/little grrl or boi or boy or girl... I'll willingly be lazy and employ pyl. I prefer to save my self-righteous ire for Pure. :D
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LOL, is the only reason I use it is so I don't get all the accusations of leaving paticular persuasions out of a post I make........Hmmmmm, now I use partner at times myself AA, but that too has been critiqued as inappropriate by people who do not think a PYL/pyl can be 'equal' partners or partners at all. Somedays it just is impossible to please.:(

Catalina:rose:
 
catalina_francisco said:
... Hmmmmm, now I use partner at times myself AA, but that too has been critiqued as inappropriate ...
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But that critique doesn't bear merit. i've heard of plenty of unequal partnerships, 60/40 for instance, in other areas. After thinking a bit more on the subject, i realized we left the pollies out of the group. Shall we write it as partner(s) and see if we can get someone to bitch about that too?

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partner is a wonderful gender inspecific word which has been employed by numerous bisexual or homosexual persons for years in order to discuss their same sex partner without making an issue of it in front of persons (strangers, relatives, co-workers etc.) who may take issue with the speaker's homosexuality.

to save arguement over unimportant specifications the word partner might be worth a try instead sub/bottom/dom/top wife/husband or partner in bdsm activities with whom i am most often in a dominant position with, except on occasion when the mood strikes us and she may be dominant ... which really is rather ridiculous.

pyl while ingenious at the time i'm sure, needs to die a quick and painless death.
 
::standing behind a bullet proof glass wall::

I liked PYL/pyl. When talking specifically about a certain relationsip of the BDSM world I type it all out, when talking of myself I don't use short hand much either. Or even talking to someone who I know how they wish to be spoken to I don't use PYL/pyl.

Its handy when posting to the whole board who identify with what they have labled themselves. Without leaving anyone out. Maybe its the submissive in me speaking, but I also feel its kinda polite to use it bc of that as well. No disrespect, no one is left out, and its personal enough in one acronym then just referring to everyone in a line of /'s.
Top and bottom is just as simple and not gender confining, but the PYL/pyl is special to lit - and I'm a sentimental goober with things like that.
:)

::remains standing behind bullet proof glass wall::
 
BlueSugar said:
::standing behind a bullet proof glass wall::

I liked PYL/pyl. When talking specifically about a certain relationsip of the BDSM world I type it all out, when talking of myself I don't use short hand much either. Or even talking to someone who I know how they wish to be spoken to I don't use PYL/pyl.

Its handy when posting to the whole board who identify with what they have labled themselves. Without leaving anyone out. Maybe its the submissive in me speaking, but I also feel its kinda polite to use it bc of that as well. No disrespect, no one is left out, and its personal enough in one acronym then just referring to everyone in a line of /'s.
Top and bottom is just as simple and not gender confining, but the PYL/pyl is special to lit - and I'm a sentimental goober with things like that.
:)

::remains standing behind bullet proof glass wall::
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LOL, common sense is a wonderful thing, especially in the face of paranoia over an acronym when there are so many more annoying things to worry about such as war, discrimination, famine, and global warming. I'm with you Blue Sugar, keep the PYL/pyl to save our fingers and our feelings being hurt, and just simply for ease of understanding. After typing/reading the long list of titles a post could be referring to you often find it difficult to remember what the topic being discussed was.....sheeesh maybe I am getting old, but to me easing communication is never a burden.

Catalinahttp://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/fingers/fing20.gif
 
Originally posted by AnelizeDarkEyes

Christ, you people are too lazy to spell submissive? Dominant? People are too mentally bereft to think outside the male top/female bottom box and apply it to their own situation? C'mon people...really.
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I think people simply got tired of the endless semantic arguments.

And to the original poster, I have seen your name a few times but you are not established enough to be dumping whiny threads on us. You have made a total of 12 posts here in the last six months so don't leave your turds on BDSM's doorstep. Go vent wherever you racked up most of your 13000 posts.
 
Wow, that's pretty clannish.

When I got here Never was a fixture and to me, a welcome one. We all take hiatuses from time to time, and who cares if she has 2 posts, I think it's a legitimate question.
 
I like using PYL and pyl since that saves me a lot of typing and it certainly takes care of the senseless semantic nonsense. However it is AA invention so if he does not want it to be used anymore, I will stop using it.

posted original by Never
Instead of making new acronyms you should be teaching newbies how to correctly use the English language.
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This is extremely silly, or to say it Monty python language, ‘Stop! This is getting too silly!”

This is not an English lit forum but a BDSM forum. I do not see it as my mission to teach anyone the proper usage of the English language.

I question what the added value is of coming to a BDSM forum and explaining to the board what the difference is between Dominant and dominate.

Francisco.
 
Do we really need truisms like YKIOK or "you are being totally OTW" or whatnot?

To me, the more jargon there is in a subculture the more it's a sign of insularity, we need to make it seem like we have secret handshakes.

Every time I have to spell something out, I have to look at it again, and I usually do look at it a little differently. I prefer the verbose and specific to the shorthand of labels- finding out what, exactly, you want and you are into is more useful to me than knowing what four letter acronym you identify yourself with.

I'm also one of those people who would rather have my bottom tell me their leg is falling asleep by saying "my leg is falling asleep" instead of "yellow!"
 
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It is fact of life that when people have conversation about the same subject and terminology is used repetitive, acronyms are invented. This is not limited to BDSM but to life in general. I work in the computer industry and if there is a place where acronyms and abbreviations are used it is in the computer industry, even PC is an acronym of personal computer.

Acronyms and abbreviations is something you will have to learn to life with, yes they are annoying sometimes but they also serve a function. I do not particular enjoy the usage of acronyms but the make typing a lot faster and when talking the make conversations a lot faster.

But yes some of these acronyms are completely over the top and should be abolished.

Francisco.
 
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