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The power of hate. A musing about trolls.

ABSTRUSE

ABSTRUSE

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I can't help but notice, certain folks are hell bent on posting words wrought with venom and scorn.

Is it a childhood problem?

Is it the camaraderie of the Authors here?

Is it a cry for attention?

I find it sad, more so than distastefull.

Any other thoughts on this?
 
Ab's

I'm feeling pretty strong about this, it is detracting from enjoyment of the forum.

There have been many arguements strongly argued on a variety of topics, often dividing into two camps and a they run a course until we exhaust ourselves.

When someone starts handing out labels like the only living abortion directed at an individual this for me extends far beyond reasonableness no matter how you wish construe the privilages granted by 'freedom of speech'.

I have reported the post to a moderator and informed the poster of my action, I have no reason or wish to be annonymous in protesting the post. I have never had any communication with the poster, they were probably unaware of me until some thirty minutes ago but I have reached the point where my enjoyment of the forum is being suspended by a few.

I'm perfectly aware that many will defend the right of anyone to say anything. I would just like to say that the cloak of annonymity afforded by Lit. affords privilages not available in 'real life' with those privilages comes responsibility and I for one have had enough of people who cannot accept responsibility and behave reasonably toward others.

They can disagree, they can argue, they can shout, but don't call someone the only living abortion and expect me to stay quiet.
 
At times I've given in and spewed back, but it's become obvious to me that if we really ignore trolls, or anyone outrageously rude or cruel, then they'll go away, or at least not get what they want from us.

I became dejected reading Cloudy's futile self-defense recently, but I knew it would be as futile for me to jump in as it was for Lucifer and others. (Not picking on you Cloudy. I can't imagine how you felt at the time, but obviously the troll did not care, only us.)

For those who can't stand not helping out, PM the victim (vs. going after the troll); or even PM the troll, but don't let them have the public attention they seek.

Please, people, if we ignore them they can't hurt us. Let them take up space and fade away. I'll do my bit too.

Perdita
 
I saw your post Neon, and I think the majority of us are in agreement.
Personal attacks are unwarrented and unneeded.

If I make a comment about someone, it's in jest and to someone I know is capable of being a good sport.

I have a deep admiration and affection for so many folks here.

Nonetheless, I cannot tolerate the childish behavior of mudslinging when some profess to be literate.

I'll admit to being a hijacker, a jester or a smartass, but I would not slander another Author here.
 
I completely agree with Perdita here (see my first post and the "Troll Poster"), and I also completely understand and back what Neon said.

I've done the same as you in the past, Neon, but it gets you absolutely nowhere.

They thrive on attention, any kind of attention. The more knee-jerk and defensive the better.

Let's not let them get to us and start driving the good people away.

I also promise to do my part, by keeping my big mouth shut and not going off on one, when provoked.

Lou
 
I'm still curious as to why this happens, how do we stop from creating new trolls? Could breastfeeding help? (sorry, mesmerised by Perdita's breast... came to mind, harder to troll with your mouth full)
 
Lou and Perdita,

I have no intention of engaging these individuals on any level. My post should be regarded as 'notice' that I took this action and not the individual they were assaulting.

The only way is to ignore them as you both correctly say. But I also expect the site owners to show a degree of responsibility toward the majority. True the offender can simply change identity and start over.

Perhaps, having stated a public action for which I am quite happy to take any fall-out, others might wish to contact the moderators (through the link at the bottom of the offending post) and express their displeasure.

I note what you say Lou about no action being taken, possibly it needs more than one complaint, I'm not 'rounding up a posse' here because you should act on your own convictions, but I for one am not stopping until some moderation is brought to bear.
 
I'm out of it for the time being, although completely willing to support anyone going through the same thing.

I've decided that a couple of idiots aren't going to ruin the AH for me....not gonna happen.

I can't promise, however, not to point out bigotry when I see it....yeah, it's a hot-spot, but y'all know how that is. Until then, I'm trying to restrain myself, and succeeding so far....
 
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Neon, rest assured that I have taken action in the past and reported said person and one of their fellow trolls to the moderators. I also publicly stated this and got labled "Tittle-Tattle", or some such thing. :rolleyes:

Having been at the receiving end of their childish venom before, I have no intention of touching them, or anyone like them, with a ten foot barge pole.

I'd never had anyone on my ignore list before that incident.

Lou
 
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Re-read, and heed, Perdita's post (Lou's too). And remember what Granny always said, "Just consider the source."

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
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Tatelou said:
Neon, rest assured that I have taken action in the past and reported said person and one of their fellow trolls to the moderators. I also publicly stated this and got labled "Tittle-Tattle", or some such thing. :rolleyes:

Having been at the receiving end of their childish venom before, I have no intention of touching them, or anyone like them, with a ten foot barge pole.

I'd never had anyone on my ignore list before that incident.

Lou
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Back in my preschool days we had means of dealing with tattle tales! Everyone form a line for the spanking machine!
 
psychocatblah said:
Back in my preschool days we had means of dealing with tattle tales! Everyone form a line for the spanking machine!
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Dammit, somebody has seen through my ruse. :rolleyes: :p

And, precisely, we're all supposed to be over the age of 18 here.

Lou
 
perdita said:
At times I've given in and spewed back, but it's become obvious to me that if we really ignore trolls, or anyone outrageously rude or cruel, then they'll go away, or at least not get what they want from us.

I became dejected reading Cloudy's futile self-defense recently, but I knew it would be as futile for me to jump in as it was for Lucifer and others. (Not picking on you Cloudy. I can't imagine how you felt at the time, but obviously the troll did not care, only us.)

For those who can't stand not helping out, PM the victim (vs. going after the troll); or even PM the troll, but don't let them have the public attention they seek.

Please, people, if we ignore them they can't hurt us. Let them take up space and fade away. I'll do my bit too.

Perdita
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Sadly, I agree Perdy. I desperately wanted to, as you put it so eloquently, 'spew' back at the sad, bigoted individual. But I made myself sit by and watch, knowing that attention would just feed it.

I'm afraid its going to be my watchword from now on. DON'T. As you suggest, I will pm the victim, support them, not the foulness issuing from the sad mind of the troll.

Mat :rose:
 
Hissy fit?

Oh my, do we have another gang-banging hissy fit in progress?

Gang bang gang bang gang bang gang bang gang bang gang bang gang bang gang bang gang bang gang bang.

Pass the used condoms ya all and take a big swig cuz that's the only protein shake ya all will be drinking any time soon unless you conduct a flask raid on a sperm bank.

And I've been "reported" again? Oh shit, on an allegedly free speech porn jerk off site. Oh well.

But listen, do any of you like have a job or something?
 
Tantrum Causes

Even the most good-natured toddler has an occasional temper tantrum. Tantrums are a normal part of development and don't have to be seen as something negative. "Children don't have the same inhibitions or control [that adults have], and the fact that they feel negative emotions is normal," Dr. Feldman explains. "Tantrums should be seen as opportunities for education, not as catastrophes."

There are several basic causes of tantrums that are familiar to parents everywhere: the child is seeking attention or is tired, hungry, or uncomfortable. In addition, tantrums are often the result of a child's frustration with the world: she can't get something (for example, an object or a parent) to do what she wants. Frustration is an unavoidable part of a child's life as she learns how people, objects, and her own body work.

Imagine not being able to communicate your needs to someone. Imagine how it feels when you are determined to program your VCR and not being able to do it, no matter how hard you try, because you can't understand how. It's pretty frustrating - do you swear, throw the manual, walk away, and slam the door on your way out? That's the adult version of a tantrum. Children use the only tools at their disposal for venting frustration.

Before age 2, a child begins to develop a strong sense of self. She wants a great deal of independence to express that self and a great deal of control over her environment - more than she is actually capable of handling. The conditions are right for power struggles as the child thinks "I can do it myself" or "I want it, give it to me." When a toddler discovers that she can't do it herself and that she can't have everything she wants, the stage is set for a tantrum.
 
I usually try and hold out until something trips my chivalry circuits into overdrive.

That usually takes a special kind of angering phrase or deed.

Now a separate comment.

Hello sarahhh, how are you? You seem a bit off today. Hope tomorrow is better for you and may all your zuchinni be devoid of goats.
 
LOL RW,

I should have remembered, having raised some.

Lou, Perdita,

I should have read your posts first. :rolleyes:

My defence: I am not used to the free speech no matter what. Meaning you don't walk away from abusive words without opening your mouth. You speak up if someone is uttering unacceptable sounds.

I'll try to shut up.

:(
 
Raging Whoremoans said:
Tantrum Causes

Even the most good-natured toddler has an occasional temper tantrum. Tantrums are a normal part of development and don't have to be seen as something negative. "Children don't have the same inhibitions or control [that adults have], and the fact that they feel negative emotions is normal," Dr. Feldman explains. "Tantrums should be seen as opportunities for education, not as catastrophes."

There are several basic causes of tantrums that are familiar to parents everywhere: the child is seeking attention or is tired, hungry, or uncomfortable. In addition, tantrums are often the result of a child's frustration with the world: she can't get something (for example, an object or a parent) to do what she wants. Frustration is an unavoidable part of a child's life as she learns how people, objects, and her own body work.

Imagine not being able to communicate your needs to someone. Imagine how it feels when you are determined to program your VCR and not being able to do it, no matter how hard you try, because you can't understand how. It's pretty frustrating - do you swear, throw the manual, walk away, and slam the door on your way out? That's the adult version of a tantrum. Children use the only tools at their disposal for venting frustration.

Before age 2, a child begins to develop a strong sense of self. She wants a great deal of independence to express that self and a great deal of control over her environment - more than she is actually capable of handling. The conditions are right for power struggles as the child thinks "I can do it myself" or "I want it, give it to me." When a toddler discovers that she can't do it herself and that she can't have everything she wants, the stage is set for a tantrum.
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RW, LOVED this post. So apropos, and well positioned in the thread . LOL. Perfect.

Now, what were we talking about? :confused:
 
Black Tulip said:
LOL RW,

I should have remembered, having raised some.

Lou, Perdita,

I should have read your posts first. :rolleyes:

My defence: I am not used to the free speech no matter what. Meaning you don't walk away from abusive words without opening your mouth. You speak up if someone is uttering unacceptable sounds.

I'll try to shut up.

:(
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Think, GANDHI.

RF
 
Thanks everyone for stepping in for me here.

For the record:

I did NOT give her a one vote. I commented, and she chose to tell me to go fuck myself in the comments of her story.

Naming me as bombing her story.

For that, I am going to report her for public slander.

I hadn't seen the post on the board before this.

As the saying goes, small things...

Oh, and another :D What goes around...
 
For those of you that haven't seen...

Pardon???
07/12/04 by boxofrocks
Don't you DARE accuse me of giving you one votes!!

I either give a 5, or NOTHING, and you my sweet, got NOTHING!!

So, I commented. Sue me.

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goddammit
07/12/04 by Anonymous
go fuck yourself boxofrocks

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No more quim
07/12/04 by sarahhh in the confessional
OK guys, no more pics.

Boxofrocks here is trashing me and my story with nasty comments and 1 votes when we were just having fun and getting to the naked truth.

And can you believe an author with a story in the contest (Cloudy) complained over in the Author's Hangout forum on the bulletin board about me offering nude pics for the Nude Day Contest? I think she misread the contest title as Prude Day Contest.
 
They can disagree, they can argue, they can shout, but don't call someone the only living abortion and expect me to stay quiet.
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This is mild compared with what is routinely posted on the general board.
 
Trolls! They've been around for as long as I've been here, and nothing ever gets done about them. IGNORING them is not the answer. Why? Because they know which buttons to push to get the attention they require whether it be bigotry, religion or politics, etc.

Yet another thread devoted to bringing this problem into the light, and until the owners of this site decide to listen and do something about it nothing will change. So until that day, I will keep adding people to my ignore list until I am at one with my enviroment. lol

Carl
 
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