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Dominating an Alpha Male/Female - Challenge or Goal?

s'lara

s'lara

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There was something Risia, Netzach and Quint recently said on the "Switching - Revisited" thread that made me think about this subject.

All of the ladies above stated that dominating an alpha personality was enjoyable ... somewhat decadent in nature.
That being the case, it seems as if this particular type of domination is the creme brulee of Topping. Pardon the food analogy, but i am craving something sweet. me? i am submissive and topping is outside of my realm of interest.

Now on to the questions.

1. Is topping an alpha person more of a challenge?

2. Do you find it more satisfactory to Top an alpha male/female than to Top a willing submissive?

3. Are your limits pushed when dominating an alpha male/female and, if so, do you find that your resulting satisfaction is akin to the feeling of completing a difficult task?

i have other curious questions, but three seems to be within the realm of "non-irritant." Thanks for the posts in advance.

lara
 
s'lara said:
1. Is topping an alpha person more of a challenge?

no, they roll over and beg to be whipped


2. Do you find it more satisfactory to Top an alpha male/female than to Top a willing submissive?

no

3. Are your limits pushed when dominating an alpha male/female and, if so, do you find that your resulting satisfaction is akin to the feeling of completing a difficult task?

Switches are a different breed. No higher or lower on the pecking order. Why fish in that lake when there are so many subs kissing at your feet.
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it's just my lil humble opinion, but i don't believe one with a real alpha personality can be dominated or "topped". if they could be, they would not be alpha.
 
1. Is topping an alpha person more of a challenge?


Since most of the subs I meet are alpha males, no. Being a submissive does not mean the male is not an alpha.

2. Do you find it more satisfactory to Top an alpha male/female than to Top a willing submissive?

Not really. Being an alpha does not mean he is a unwilling.

3. Are your limits pushed when dominating an alpha male/female and, if so, do you find that your resulting satisfaction is akin to the feeling of completing a difficult task?

What limits?
 
ownedsubgal said:
it's just my lil humble opinion, but i don't believe one with a real alpha personality can be dominated or "topped". if they could be, they would not be alpha.
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IMHO, being "alpha" and being a Top or Dom/me are two totally separate things. To me, being an Alpha just means you have a strong personality, and yes, you may have a tendancy for control.

I don't think it prevents you from being submissive.

There are a lot of comments here on different threads about people who are dominant/alpha types in their work life, for example, yet when they come home they are able to leave that person at the door.

*edit* I realize OSG you weren't saying that alpha=Top. Your post just triggered a thought I was having.
 
s'lara said,


There was something Risia, Netzach and Quint recently said on the "Switching - Revisited" thread that made me think about this subject.

All of the ladies above stated that dominating an alpha personality was enjoyable ... somewhat decadent in nature.
That being the case, it seems as if this particular type of domination is the creme brulee of Topping. Pardon the food analogy, but i am craving something sweet. me? i am submissive and topping is outside of my realm of interest.

Now on to the questions.

1. Is topping an alpha person more of a challenge?


Judging by the responses, I think your question is not quite precise enough. There are two kinds of cases: 1) An Alpha personality type, president of Daimler Benz want to go to a mistress and, almost unbidden, grovel and (for example) be peed on. S/He plans to and agrees to 'sub' and carries that out in spades. 2) An Alpha person wants to try out being 'topped' and plans to 'speak his/her mind, etc as usual; i.e., NOT roll over, but be made, say, after an hour of whipping, to lick the top's boots. Such a person might be of 'switchy' nature.

In the second case, in view of the resistance I say, imo, yes, that's domination par excellence.

I can't speak for N or others, but I think that while there is a glee in seeing the President of a company grovel spontaneously, that is NOT, the satisfaction you, s'lara are asking about; rather it's the satisfaction in the second case. If I understand them correctly.

:rose:
 
ownedsubgal said:
it's just my lil humble opinion, but i don't believe one with a real alpha personality can be dominated or "topped". if they could be, they would not be alpha.
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Sorry not true.
 
redelicious said:
IMHO, being "alpha" and being a Top or Dom/me are two totally separate things.
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Exactly. There is nothing sweeter than the submission of an alpha man.
 
Alpha males

Most submissive men I meet are alpha males and in fact many times they sustain mostly dominant social relationships with vanilla women.

But as soon as they meet a dominant female, they will go out of their way to fall on their knees. And they will do almost anything to submit to You.
 
ownedsubgal said:
it's just my lil humble opinion, but i don't believe one with a real alpha personality can be dominated or "topped". if they could be, they would not be alpha.
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Then i have to ask my next question: What is a "real" alpha personality? Someone who cannot be topped? A person who would never bend their will because someone else demanded it?

Not picking on you sis, i just thought your perception of "alpha" was a little iron-clad.

lara
 
Pure said:
<snip>
Judging by the responses, I think your question is not quite precise enough. There are two kinds of cases: 1) An Alpha personality type, president of Daimler Benz want to go to a mistress and, almost unbidden, grovel and (for example) be peed on. S/He plans to and agrees to 'sub' and carries that out in spades. 2) An Alpha person wants to try out being 'topped' and plans to 'speak his/her mind, etc as usual; i.e., NOT roll over, but be made, say, after an hour of whipping, to lick the top's boots. Such a person might be of 'switchy' nature.

In the second case, in view of the resistance I say, imo, yes, that's domination par excellence.

I can't speak for N or others, but I think that while there is a glee in seeing the President of a company grovel spontaneously, that is NOT, the satisfaction you, s'lara are asking about; rather it's the satisfaction in the second case. If I understand them correctly. <snip> [/B]
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*smiles* Precision wasn't the goal, just acquisition of information. However, you do make a point regarding the two types of "alpha" personalities. For purposes of my question, let it be clear that the alpha of which i speak is in the category of number 2.

Actually, the satisfaction i am curious about is whether the sense of accomplishment, after successfully dominating an alpha, is more satisfying than dominating the willing submissive. Does the challenge, the fight to get the alpha to want to submit feel better somehow? More Toppish? More powerful? Why is it domination par excellence? Does it take resistance to make you (addressing all and not just Pure - smile) reach that particular plateau?

Thanks for helping out with the clarification Pure.

lara
 
Re: Re: Dominating an Alpha Male/Female - Challenge or Goal?

Ebonyfire said:
1. Is topping an alpha person more of a challenge?


Since most of the subs I meet are alpha males, no. Being a submissive does not mean the male is not an alpha.

2. Do you find it more satisfactory to Top an alpha male/female than to Top a willing submissive?

Not really. Being an alpha does not mean he is a unwilling.

3. Are your limits pushed when dominating an alpha male/female and, if so, do you find that your resulting satisfaction is akin to the feeling of completing a difficult task?

What limits?
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No limits eh? *smile* If You were a submissive, You would make Someone very happy ... or very scared. *chuckles*

You don't think an alpha male (as in alpha male who is clearly dominant and would have difficulty in submitting easily) would push against the boundaries of Your Dominance? Exhaust them a little ... maybe take You to a level You weren't sure You were capable of?

lara
 
Re: Re: Re: Dominating an Alpha Male/Female - Challenge or Goal?

s'lara said:
No limits eh? *smile* If You were a submissive, You would make Someone very happy ... or very scared. *chuckles*

You don't think an alpha male (as in alpha male who is clearly dominant and would have difficulty in submitting easily) would push against the boundaries of Your Dominance? Exhaust them a little ... maybe take You to a level You weren't sure You were capable of?

lara
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Are you kidding? Dommes are hard to find and good Dommes are even harder. He knows that if he does not do what he is told the next sound he will hear is "don't let the door hit your ass as you leave".
 
alpha males as subs

They make beautiful subs because they are WANT to submit. They want to serve.

They are not happy with vanilla submissive partners, and they want to give it up.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dominating an Alpha Male/Female - Challenge or Goal?

Ebonyfire said:
Are you kidding? Dommes are hard to find and good Dommes are even harder. He knows that if he does not do what he is told the next sound he will hear is "don't let the door hit your ass as you leave".
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OK, so as i understand it, this kind of "alpha" male would not be of interest to You. What i am talking about is having an alpha male push You to grip him tighter. What i get from Your post is that You expect no resistance or there is no "Ebony Ma'am" to serve. Correct?
 
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s'lara said:
OK, so as i understand it, this kind of "alpha" male would not be of interest to You. What i am talking about is having an alpha male push You to grip him tighter. What i get from Your post is that You expect no resistance or there is no "Ebony Ma'am" to serve. Correct?
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Exactly. No sub of mine would push Me to do anything. they know better. I am not there to answer the call of their nature. I am stern enough, I doubt if one could take sterner.
 
Pure's second definition of an alpha is exactly on the mark for me; I would have no interest whatsoever in a male that crumbled upon contact. It really is about the challenge presented, the battle of wills. Not just having him do what I want, but MAKING him do what I want. But truly, the only thing I would really want to get out of it is mental. I can't imagine wanting my hypothetical alpha to please me physically. Just wanna hurt him, humiliate him, and make him battle himself as much as me. Truly a mindfuck.

This is kind of significant only because it's a need that isn't fulfilled anywhere else. I get all kinds of physical sensations as a submissive, as a bottom. I get lots of mental ones, too, but not nearly the ones I would get from orchestrating, from inflicting, from hearing the screams and knowing not only that I'm not the one making them, but that I am the cause of them. So it would be a totally different level of gratification.

Would this be more satisfying? Well, my comparison is my more tender dominant feeling towards girls. I'd like to do more of the gentle loving Dom thing to non-alpha females. But I think that would be more long-term satisfaction, whereas the alpha domination would be immediate wild gratification. I'd never try to be in a relationship like that; I wouldn't be interested. I don't want an emotional connection with someone that I would be so blatantly and thoroughly using.

I don't know my Topping limits. I've never done what I just described, only had the restless empty feeling that precedes it. So I could talk big and say that I don't think I would have too many hesitations and doubts about what I'm doing, even though I've explicitly admitted that it would be as close to non-SSC as I can come. But really, maybe there's too much compassion in me. Maybe I'd feel sorry for the poor bastard as he's glaring at me, covered in red from neck to knees, erection straining uselessly into the air as it has been for hours. Probably not, but I can't totally ruin my nice-girl image, can I? o)

Again, this is the ramblings of someone who's only been there in her fantasies, and those VERY sporadically. (I'd actually like to pinpoint when I get them, if it's dependent upon the level of submission I'm currently feeling or if it's unrelated.) Certainly not an authority on the matter, but since you mentioned me in the first post I thought I'd speak up.
 
Ebonyfire said:
Sorry not true.
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as i said, it's just my lil old opinion. :) also, we all may not be defining "alpha" in the same way. to me, someone being a CEO for instance doesn't make them an alpha. but i do believe that alpha = Dominance, as in the sort of person who naturally gravitates to positions of controls and leadership, who is naturally looked up to for guidance by others, etc. head of the pack. top wolf. to me, that is alpha, and that is Dominance. such a person cannot imo be submissive, it is a physical and mental impossibility.
 
This board needs to define every term before conversations begin. It seems as though every other conversation becomes a fight over semantics.
 
Hiya, Im new here, but was curious about the whole term 'alpha'.

I checked the library and also the Deviants Dictionary but could find no reference to it (I could be blind). There seems to be some confusion even on this thread as to what it means specifically. Can anyone enlighten me, as I would be most grateful.

S
 
"alpha" means first, or the beginning. it also means:

al·pha

adj.
Being the highest ranked or most dominant individual of one's group.
 
ownedsubgal said:
as i said, it's just my lil old opinion. :) also, we all may not be defining "alpha" in the same way. to me, someone being a CEO for instance doesn't make them an alpha. but i do believe that alpha = Dominance, as in the sort of person who naturally gravitates to positions of controls and leadership, who is naturally looked up to for guidance by others, etc. head of the pack. top wolf. to me, that is alpha, and that is Dominance. such a person cannot imo be submissive, it is a physical and mental impossibility.
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Ok, i've read enough and stayed silent enough.

Humble though it be, osg caught the gist of an Alpha male. A true alpha leads until driven out by another alpha, or killed. The BS babble of alpha and beta personalities in today's modern psy-pop confuse the issue. If you have an alpha personality in that context, you have a drive to succeed and that drive keeps you on a bleeding edge.

i assume s'lara asks about the Alpha of the pack?
 
People are just defining things any which way they want...so I will do the same! :devil: If my response is deemed not to be on topic...please ignore it! ;)

I will define "alpha" as being the strong-willed sort of personality. A person who is hard-driving, logical, authoritative, harsh and forceful. I was involved with one such girl for a short while and she will be the basis of my reply.

It was extremely satisfying to humiliate, degrade and discipline her. She would have a keenly submissive reaction to every provocation because it was such a departure from her normal demeanor. I was very much in my comfort zone when we were in the bedroom.

The biggest challenge, which led to the termination of the relationship, was her abrasive and unyielding attitude outside the bedroom. Sorry to be blunt, but she was just too difficult of a person for me to be around all the time. I am an intense person myself, but I have better things to do than spend 30 minutes ranting about how to cook spaghetti or something trivial like that. :rolleyes:
 
AngelicAssassin said:
Ok, i've read enough and stayed silent enough.

Humble though it be, osg caught the gist of an Alpha male. A true alpha leads until driven out by another alpha, or killed. The BS babble of alpha and beta personalities in today's modern psy-pop confuse the issue. If you have an alpha personality in that context, you have a drive to succeed and that drive keeps you on a bleeding edge.

i assume s'lara asks about the Alpha of the pack?
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Ahh the wolf pack theory. This i have been apprised of in the past. AA Sir, pray elaborate on the Alpha wolf and its position in the pack if You will.

lara
 
Quint said:
<snip> Certainly not an authority on the matter, but since you mentioned me in the first post I thought I'd speak up.<snip>
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i don't think anyone can be a true authority on this subject because the needs of each always differ. Thanks for the post - enlightening and forthcoming. *smiles*

lara
 
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