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Muslim taxi cab drivers refuse to transport people with dogs (including guide dogs)

What do you think?

  • Suck it up or quit

    Votes: 28 73.7%

  • They should be allowed whatever...

    Votes: 3 7.9%

  • Other...

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • Where is my porn?

    Votes: 3 7.9%
  • Total voters
    38
The Heretic

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or alcohol:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2827800&page=1

Apparently it is considered a sin by some interpretations. So when threatened with losing their license they claim discrimination.

I am all for not discriminating, and for tolerance, but IMO if you take a job where you know the normal duties may conflict with your religion, you either suck it up and do it, or find a different job. And yes, I know some Christians who would not work in a store that sold alcohol, tobacco or porn and yes, if they had a problem with it, they shouldn't work there. Ditto for working on "holy days", etc.

What do you think?

Poll is coming....
 
[racial slur]It could be they're afraid the dog is capable of smelling bombs.[/slur]
 
There job is to serve the public. They shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. So screw them, if they don't want to haul people with alcohol and dogs then I guess they don't get to work the profitable airport. It is pretty stright forward and clear. They shouldn't even be in the occupation if that is the way they feel.
 
Do you live months behind the news?

I figure as long as christian pharmacists can refuse to sell the morning after pill, muslims can refuse to do whatever it is they want.
 
They should not refuse to serve people with guide dogs, that is tanamount to refusing to serve those with physical disability... a form of disrimination in itself.

As for those with alchohol in open containers, i don't allow that in my car, but to transport someone drunk, unless they are disorderly, that is part of the job description for cabbies is it not?

Maybe that's what it should come down to, did these people not understand what would be expected of them when they started the job? Unless they started working in the 20s, i'm fairly sure that it would be understood that they would be driving people who were unable to drive themselves.

As for just people with dogs... they can wait for another cabbie. I'd be hesitant to let someone with a dog into my car as well.
 
paganangel said:
if it's their cab, let em do what they want. fuckin assholes.
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So, if they said they didn't want to transport Jews, then that would be okay too? What if a non-Muslim taxi driver refused to transport a Muslim?

I am a Libertarian, but I consider a couple of criteria in such issues:

1) They are doing this job voluntarily. No one is forcing them to drive taxis.

2) Any reasonable person would know that a taxi provides what is considered a "public service" in the sense that they would expect to be able to be offered that service without discrimination as long as it was safe and legal to do so.

3) A reasonable person in the USA would not be expected to be turned down such transportation just because they were carrying alcohol or a dog - especially guide dogs (many locales have laws against discriminating against people with guide dogs).

4) A person even slightly acquainted with US culture would know that we allow alcohol here, and that employment in a public transportation would probably involve transporting it, and dogs.

5) This is at an airport, not on the street. If a taxi driver can decide to not let in alcohol or dogs, then the airport can decide not to let that taxi driver to pick up at the airport.
 
KyleW said:
Do you live months behind the news?

I figure as long as christian pharmacists can refuse to sell the morning after pill, muslims can refuse to do whatever it is they want.
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I don't agree with that either.
 
ecclectic said:
They should not refuse to serve people with guide dogs, that is tanamount to refusing to serve those with physical disability... a form of disrimination in itself.

As for those with alchohol in open containers, i don't allow that in my car, but to transport someone drunk, unless they are disorderly, that is part of the job description for cabbies is it not?

Maybe that's what it should come down to, did these people not understand what would be expected of them when they started the job? Unless they started working in the 20s, i'm fairly sure that it would be understood that they would be driving people who were unable to drive themselves.

As for just people with dogs... they can wait for another cabbie. I'd be hesitant to let someone with a dog into my car as well.
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I agree - not letting someone in with a guide dog is discrimination in itself.

When I have to cab somewhere with Basil, which isn't often but it happens, I call in advance, and tell them right off that I'm going to have a dog with me. I have a towel or blanket for him to sit on if it's a normal cab. I can understand someone not wanting a 65 lb dog who gets REALLY happy when he gets a car ride bouncing around. However, I normally try to get this one smaller cab company from Richmond - Kimber Cabs - as they are all vans, it's a small company, and none of the drivers there mind having a dog. Basil can walk around on the floor and he's happy. (Plus New West cabbies can be damn psycho.)
 
Barbdreams said:
I agree - not letting someone in with a guide dog is discrimination in itself.
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I can't see this happening in the GVRD anyways... but one never knows.
 
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Newbie here ... still feeling my way around the forum [figuratively speaking, of course :)].

Interesting topic. I think if they're discriminating against people with dogs, then we should do the same thing. Oh wait...we already do. But seriously, I agree with what was said about it being a job that they can easily quit. Nobody is forcing them to work someplace that conflicts with their beliefs.
 
i disagree... most of them have very strong religious bonds and are particular with these things...

if they are willing to work less (not driving people with dogs) and earning less then it's really up to them...

just because they service the public doesn't mean they have to give up their spiritual belief to serve you...
 
age_matters said:
i disagree... most of them have very strong religious bonds and are particular with these things...

if they are willing to work less (not driving people with dogs) and earning less then it's really up to them...

just because they service the public doesn't mean they have to give up their spiritual belief to serve you...
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Nobody's asking them to give up their beliefs, but if they are that strong, maybe they need to reconsider the line of work they're in. Discrimination is discrimination no matter if it's because of religion or not, and it has no place in a work enviroment and that's exactly what they're doing. They are discriminating against people because of a disablility. If the tables were turned, you bet your ass they'd be filing suits in court as we type this.
 
age_matters said:
i disagree... most of them have very strong religious bonds and are particular with these things...

if they are willing to work less (not driving people with dogs) and earning less then it's really up to them...

just because they service the public doesn't mean they have to give up their spiritual belief to serve you...
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No, it does not, but if their personal belief stand in the way of doing their job, they should give up that job rather than force their beliefs on the rest of society. But muslims don't seem to understand that i guess.
 
canuck_girl72 said:
Nobody's asking them to give up their beliefs, but if they are that strong, maybe they need to reconsider the line of work they're in. Discrimination is discrimination no matter if it's because of religion or not, and it has no place in a work enviroment and that's exactly what they're doing. They are discriminating against people because of a disablility. If the tables were turned, you bet your ass they'd be filing suits in court as we type this.
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believe me they have many beliefs... and some of that we can't agree with...

being a cab driver seems to be the most flexible jobs they can get...

i don't think you guys should see it as discrimination.. because it is within their spiritual belief... i mean... if they are polite and tell you you can't get in because of such and such, then it's ok... if they are rude then they're pretty screwed up...

it does seem bad that they don't allow disabled people up but ... oh well...
 
age_matters said:
just because they service the public doesn't mean they have to give up their spiritual belief to serve you...
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And remember (if you read the article), that this is at an airport. The airport doesn't have to allow just any taxi to pick up passengers at the airport. It is the Muslims who are claiming discrimination because the airport is saying that if the taxi drivers don't meet their standards of service (which include transporting people with packages of alcohol, and/or traveling with dogs), then they can't pick up passengers at the airport.

IMO it isn't discrimination on the part of the airport because they have service standards that are the same regardless of religion/etc. and any the taxi drivers know what the standards are.

Moreover, if the taxi drivers can say who they want to serve, then the airport can more or less do the same thing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
age_matters said:
believe me they have many beliefs... and some of that we can't agree with...

being a cab driver seems to be the most flexible jobs they can get...

i don't think you guys should see it as discrimination.. because it is within their spiritual belief... i mean... if they are polite and tell you you can't get in because of such and such, then it's ok... if they are rude then they're pretty screwed up...

it does seem bad that they don't allow disabled people up but ... oh well...
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NOT oh well. Not at all. We see it as dicrimination because it IS discrimination. Really i don't care about the people with pets or if people have OPEN alchohol, but aside from that, they either need to just stop catering to non-muslims completely (see how well that goes) or accept everyone.
 
age_matters said:
believe me they have many beliefs... and some of that we can't agree with...

being a cab driver seems to be the most flexible jobs they can get...

i don't think you guys should see it as discrimination.. because it is within their spiritual belief... i mean... if they are polite and tell you you can't get in because of such and such, then it's ok... if they are rude then they're pretty screwed up...

it does seem bad that they don't allow disabled people up but ... oh well...
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I understand that they have strong beliefs, but like eccletic said, they shouldn't force those beliefs on the rest of society and even if it's politely done, it's still forced. And to say "oh well.." doesn't quite cut it with me because I AM disabled. And I have had cabbies ask me not to get into their cabs and it hurts. I don't have a dog or anything like that, I have a bad leg and can't walk properly. Either way, it's discrimination and it's not right. I don't do it to them. I don't ask them not to come to my place of business or deny them my services because I think the money might be from terrorist organizations [I'm a stockbroker]. And if I did, I know my license would be revoked.
 
The Heretic said:
And remember (if you read the article), that this is at an airport. The airport doesn't have to allow just any taxi to pick up passengers at the airport. It is the Muslims who are claiming discrimination because the airport is saying that if the taxi drivers don't meet their standards of service (which include transporting people with packages of alcohol, and/or traveling with dogs), then they can't pick up passengers at the airport.

IMO it isn't discrimination on the part of the airport because they have service standards that are the same regardless of religion/etc. and any the taxi drivers know what the standards are.

Moreover, if the taxi drivers can say who they want to serve, then the airport can more or less do the same thing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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opps sorry i didn't read the article...
well i think it's a give and take for people to coexist...
maybe abit of awareness from your part can reduce or prevent the frustration when you are in that kind of situation...
 
The Heretic said:
And remember (if you read the article), that this is at an airport. The airport doesn't have to allow just any taxi to pick up passengers at the airport. It is the Muslims who are claiming discrimination because the airport is saying that if the taxi drivers don't meet their standards of service (which include transporting people with packages of alcohol, and/or traveling with dogs), then they can't pick up passengers at the airport.

IMO it isn't discrimination on the part of the airport because they have service standards that are the same regardless of religion/etc. and any the taxi drivers know what the standards are.

Moreover, if the taxi drivers can say who they want to serve, then the airport can more or less do the same thing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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You saved me a lengthy post. :D I agree with this 100%.
 
age_matters said:
opps sorry i didn't read the article...
well i think it's a give and take for people to coexist...
maybe abit of awareness from your part can reduce or prevent the frustration when you are in that kind of situation...
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Awareness about what?
 
canuck_girl72 said:
I understand that they have strong beliefs, but like eccletic said, they shouldn't force those beliefs on the rest of society and even if it's politely done, it's still forced. And to say "oh well.." doesn't quite cut it with me because I AM disabled. And I have had cabbies ask me not to get into their cabs and it hurts. I don't have a dog or anything like that, I have a bad leg and can't walk properly. Either way, it's discrimination and it's not right. I don't do it to them. I don't ask them not to come to my place of business or deny them my services because I think the money might be from terrorist organizations [I'm a stockbroker]. And if I did, I know my license would be revoked.
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i'm sorry to hear that cabbies discriminate against you because of your disability... those people should get burnt...

but i still don't see the issue we've been discussing as a discrimination...

a little bit of awareness would help greatly i believe...
 
ecclectic said:
Awareness about what?
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awareness about their restrictions...

i.e. if you have a dog, then don't go to a muslim cabbie...

you have to know it's not their fault not carrying you because you have a dog...
 
age_matters said:
i'm sorry to hear that cabbies discriminate against you because of your disability... those people should get burnt...

but i still don't see the issue we've been discussing as a discrimination...

a little bit of awareness would help greatly i believe...
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If you're telling a blind person that they can't get a service because the need a dog as their eyes, you've denied them that service as a result of that dog, it IS discrimination.

I think I'll agree to disagree with you on this one :)
 
age_matters said:
awareness about their restrictions...

if you have a dog, then don't go to a muslim cabbie...
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1) Muslim taxi drivers don't put a big sign on their taxi saying "MUSLIM TAXI SERVICE - ALCOHOL/DOGS NOT ALLOWED". :rolleyes:

2) This is at an airport. The taxi drivers wait in line for their next customer. The customer doesn't choose who the taxi driver is - they get the next one in the line.

3) Many of the taxi drivers are Muslim. If you had read the article first before posting about it, you would have seen the statement: "Three-quarters of the 900 cabbies licensed to operate at the airport are Muslim, most from Somalia."
 
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