american gov considers the christian right as "nuts" ?

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ok, as a brit i'm rather shocked by this. how long has this been known?
LONG c&p to follow...

Rove 'described fundamentalist Christians as nuts'
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
Published: 14 October 2006



Efforts by the Republican Party to rally grassroots support for next month's mid-term elections were knocked yesterday by a new book suggesting that right-wing evangelical Christians are regarded with contempt by the White House's top strategists and courted strictly for their votes.

The book, by former White House insider David Kuo, suggested that Karl Rove, President Bush's top political advisor, and his staff, routinely refer to fundamentalist Christians as "the nuts". That is unlikely to be taken kindly by the evangelicals who voted in 2004 and made the crucial difference in securing President Bush's re-election.

Mr Kuo writes: "National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as 'ridiculous' and 'out of control'."

Mr Kuo also suggested the White House's Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, where he was deputy director, was a get-out-the-vote machine more than an instrument of policy.

His book, Tempting Faith, could do great political damage in an election season in which Republicans are fighting to retain control of the House and Senate.
Already, evangelical leaders have expressed disquiet that the Bush regime has not enacted their agenda as they had hoped, and party strategists have fretted that many Christian conservatives will not vote.

Mr Kuo's claims have been challenged by his former boss, Jim Towey, who told the New York Times he kept the office of faith-based initiatives non-political.

The White House has its share of religious conservatives, including President Bush. But the Christian wing of the Republican Party has co-existed uneasily for years with apologists for big business and hawkish security policies.

In his best-selling analysis of the Republican movement, What's the Matter With Kansas?, Thomas Frank described a party that "talks Christ but walks corporate". Earlier this week, television host Tucker Carlson said "the elites" in the party had "pure contempt" for the evangelicals, but added that the evangelicals were "beginning to figure it out".
 
All the extreme forms of religion are nuts, be it Christian, Hindu, Islam whatever.
 
i can't believe anyone is surprised that this administration is disingenuous.
 
Retrieval said:
All the extreme forms of religion are nuts, be it Christian, Hindu, Islam whatever.
then why does their gov only admit that in private, while it publicly agrees with these nuts?
 
sillywabbit said:
The nuts are part of their base.
but the nuts...or rather, their attempts to court the nuts...are crippling the freedom that their nation is supposed to stand for.

selling their souls and everyone elses too.
 
Anyone who believes a Jewish man, born of a virgin, who levitated on water, rose from the dead, speaks to them personally and is coming back after 2000 years to judge the living and the dead IS nuts. What's nuts is that this is a surprise to anyone.
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
Anyone who believes a Jewish man, born of a virgin, who levitated on water, rose from the dead, speaks to them personally and is coming back after 2000 years to judge the living and the dead IS nuts. What's nuts is that this is a surprise to anyone.
hey, as long as they don't try to inflict their beliefs on me then they can believe whatever they like!
what is nuts is trying to make your faith the law.
 
Sometimes you feel like a nut...

"Every time I look at you I don't understand
Why you let the things you did get so out of hand.
You'd have managed better if you'd had it planned.
Why'd you choose such a backward time in such a strange land?
If you'd come today you could have reached a whole nation.
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication.
Don't you get me wrong.
I only want to know.

Tell me what you think about your friends at the top.
Who'd you think besides yourself's the pick of the crop?
Buddha, was he where it's at? Is he where you are?
Could Mohammed move a mountain, or was that just PR?
Did you mean to die like that? Was that a mistake, or
Did you know your messy death would be a record breaker?
Don't you get me wrong.
I only want to know.

Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ,
Who are you? What have you sacrificed?
Jesus Christ Superstar,
Do you think you're what they say you are?" -- Tim Rice

Me, I'm always nuts.

Good to see you, DCL.
 
Karl Rove is a manipulative, evil genius. Which means he will use advantages where he sees them and these guys provided an unethical font of money and ignorance and faith.

If they actually gave a damn about the people whose votes they were courting, they would have gotten them something, anything, in legislation other than lip service.

Not at all surprised. Knew this.
 
dolf said:
then why does their gov only admit that in private, while it publicly agrees with these nuts?
They are disingenuous, vote grabbing, opportunistic, corrupt morons. Just saying.
 
Hester said:
i can't believe anyone is surprised that this administration is disingenuous.
Politicians in general are disingenuous - and that is putting it kindly. To put it bluntly, politicians lie and lie and lie some more. For the most part, all a politician cares about is power. If they have to lie, cheat or steal to get power (and they do) they will.

The fault? Ours. We believe the lies because they are lies we want to believe. The sooner we seek out the truth and try to come to terms with it, instead of being lazy and believing lies because that is easier, the sooner we will be better off. Not going to happen though - most people can't get to that point.

Doesn't mean the Christian Right is going to change their views either, but enough of that voting populace has become disenchanted that combined with the people disnechanted with Iraq and the "War on Terror", Congress is going to change significantly this time around. It remains to be seen whether that mood will carry over into the next presidential election.
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
Good to see you too. There may be a Kingdom for me somewhere, if I only knew.

You've always struck me as the Tim Rice type:

"Don't you get me wrong,
I just want to know..."

Like John Hiatt says:

"In the middle of the night
With your covers pulled up tight
It'll come to you..."

I've always respected what you've had to say, DCL. It's one of the consistencies of Literotica that seems to pull me back.
 
Thanks.

I do like Tim Rice, though I tend to agree with one critic who once said that Tim doesn't write lyrics so much as he "puts bits of information to music."
 
And does it damn well.

A quote I ran across the other day:

"It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."--G.K. Chesterson


And for the record, this nut thinks the ultra-conservative, hard-line, hard-hearted church nazis are the real nuts.
 
I wonder what's going to happen in 2008 when the evangelicals in their base no longer have GWB in the house trying to push their agendas. Who will they hitch their wagon to then? How many times can you sell your soul to the Devil in the name of God?
 
KindaKinky said:
I wonder what's going to happen in 2008 when the evangelicals in their base no longer have GWB in the house trying to push their agendas. Who will they hitch their wagon to then?

Well, I guess we'll just have to pray about that, now won't we? ;)
 
ranajja said:
Well, I guess we'll just have to pray about that, now won't we? ;)

Now that you mention prayer, do you suppose the evangelicals wanted to put it back in schools so much because there doesn't seem to be enough in churches?

You drag God into politics and the Devil won't be far behind. Since The Devil likes power, he'll attach himself to the most powerful party. And since Republicans have been elected more times than Democrats, it's only logical that he would choose that party.

The corruption and compromises that I've seen between religion and politics is why I look for God in myself and guidance in church than at the polls.
 
KindaKinky said:
I wonder what's going to happen in 2008 when the evangelicals in their base no longer have GWB in the house trying to push their agendas. Who will they hitch their wagon to then? How many times can you sell your soul to the Devil in the name of God?
Boooooooooyaaaaaaah.



Now we know why the Democrats were staying away from Foley... they were keeping the skies clear for this nukular attack.

What a thing to let slip to the Republican bible belters just weeks before the election... what a horrible thing.

If this story gains legs on Monday it's purple kool-aid time for the GOP.
 
Republicans' first strategy on Monday: Kuo is a nutcase and a liar.

If he's such a nutcase and a liar, then why was he a White House insider? And exactly what is Tucker Carlson's angle, and can the GOP keep a lid on him?
 
I'm not surprised in the least. The GOP has paid their religious base nothing but lip service since they were put into office. I was tempted to post a link to this story a few days ago but waited to see if anyone else picked up on it.

The question now is, will they actually wake up and see that they were used and abused by the Republican party or will they write this off as an evil rumor spread by those 'liberals' trying to besmirch the righteous.
 
They call them "nuts" in private. In public, it sounds more like this:
State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Tuesday that (Pat) Robertson has the right of any private citizen to say whatever he wants, but added that the broadcaster's remarks "do not represent the views of the United States."

"His comments are inappropriate," he said. "Allegations that we are planning to take hostile action against the Venezuelan government are completely baseless and without fact."
Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, who ran against Robertson for the GOP presidential nomination in 1988, called the comments "stupid" and "ludicrous" and suggested Robertson apologize "very quickly."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
I'm not surprised in the least. The GOP has paid their religious base nothing but lip service since they were put into office. I was tempted to post a link to this story a few days ago but waited to see if anyone else picked up on it.

The question now is, will they actually wake up and see that they were used and abused by the Republican party or will they write this off as an evil rumor spread by those 'liberals' trying to besmirch the righteous.
I heard about it on the radio during our drive to 'Frisco; I thought it was some liberal who said it. Lo and behold it was a former White House insider.

The Democrats could maximize the effect of this by pushing the issue in their last ditch attack ads. This is the one they need to pile on. Having stayed (for the most part) away from the Foley scandal, they can now speak up without penalty. It's all about David Kuo. Liberals didn't say this; David Kuo did. Liberals didn't spread the rumor - David Kuo, former White House insider, did. Back it up with quotes from Tucker Carlson. Rinse. Repeat.

If I were a Democrat strategist, I would be screaming "IS IT MONDAY YET???"
 
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