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Brinnie

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I have a name for my pain... LadyG.

And for every five people like Tiana that speak out, there's 20 more that don't. I am not one of them...


LadyG had not only moved mine and others people threads, but she had DELETED MY THREADS AND INDIVIDUAL POSTS!
Now, I'm not the type of person to narc or rat someone out, but this is an issue of free speech and it has gone WAY to far... :mad:


Take a look at the following screenshot. I have a $1,000 reward or anyone who can find this thread.
I guarentee you won't find it ANYWHERE!

Now start browsing back in the How-To Cafe and you'll eventually come to a pages with nothing but removed/deleted threads. hundreds of them.


So last night I made a poll in the How-To section about LadyG, in which almost EVERYONE voted for her removal, but of course, she deleted that too.






WHAT THIS CALLS FOR IS A PETITION:​
Not a petition for LadyG to be banned, but her removal of her position as a moderator. Literotica is a free speech board and there is no place for such censorship here.

  • What I am asking is for anyone who values their free speech to: GO HERE and write a short paragraph explaining that LadyG should be removed from her position as mod of the HT-Cafe and why.


Don't do it for me, do it for Lit..
Together we can make a difference. :)
​
 
Fenikkusu said:
Have you addressed this issue to the site owners?
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What ever do you mean?
I used the form provided in my last post to sent my request of LadyG's removal, yes.
 
Brinnie said:

What ever do you mean?
I used the form provided in my last post to sent my request of LadyG's removal, yes.
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No offense intended. I was curious as to whether the site owners have decided on a disciplinary action. If the above mentioned person is a moderator they may have certain rights as to delete what they may deem inappropriate ( I'm not saying your post was or was not). However if they are not they have consented in their intitial sign on agreement to not become abusive pending removal of their privileges to this forum.

Gie. :rose:
 
Fenikkusu said:
No offense intended. I was curious as to whether the site owners have decided on a disciplinary action. If the above mentioned person is a moderator they may have certain rights as to delete what they may deem inappropriate ( I'm not saying your post was or was not). However if they are not they have consented in their intitial sign on agreement to not become abusive pending removal of their privileges to this forum.

Gie. :rose:
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I don't really understand... Lit is a Free Speech board.
Moderators given the power to delete, are only to using sparingly for such things as copyright infringment, child porn and spam.
 
Brinnie said:
I don't really understand... Lit is a Free Speech board.
Moderators given the power to delete, are only to using sparingly for such things as copyright infringment, child porn and spam.
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What are Moderators?

Moderators are volunteers who help make the Bulletin Board more enjoyable by removing spam and answering questions. The names of the Moderators are listed next to the Forum which they moderate. If you have a question about a certain forum that has a Moderator, feel free to PM that Moderator and he or she will do their best to make your time on the site fun!

I can assume the fun factor is out?

I see your point.

thank you. Gei.
 
Brinnie said:
I don't really understand... Lit is a Free Speech board.
Moderators given the power to delete, are only to using sparingly for such things as copyright infringment, child porn and spam.
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It's not censorship. It's just that no one want's to hear from you. :rolleyes:
 
Fenikkusu said:
What are Moderators?

Moderators are volunteers who help make the Bulletin Board more enjoyable by removing spam and answering questions. The names of the Moderators are listed next to the Forum which they moderate. If you have a question about a certain forum that has a Moderator, feel free to PM that Moderator and he or she will do their best to make your time on the site fun!

I can assume the fun factor is out?

I see your point.

thank you. Gei.
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I can't comment on the content or appropriateness of it on that particular board, but there are reasons other than just child porn and copyright infringement that can lead to posts being deleted or moved. Sometimes, things are appropriate on a certain site, but simply don't belong on a given board.

Not that it applies to what Brinnie was talking about, these "moved" posts and threads by a moderator, but on other occasions...

Just my .02

Q_C
 
No.

This is not a free speech issue.

I have no beef with the mod, so I won't pretend I do.
 
Questions:

Hi Brinnie,

BR: Literotica is a free speech board and there is no place for such censorship here.

This is not accurate. Literotica officially *supports* free speech. Think of it like a bookstore that, in some way, contributes to the cause.


Whats' IN the bookstore is up to the owners. If they don't want to carry "How to fuck your dog," that's their right. It's not censorship. The author has a 'free speech' right on the subject, but that doesn't include getting his or her book into THAT store.

Think of it like the website [Thyr... ] you ran, for a while, which suppported free speech, but whose content was up to you, including whether to run "Brinnie is an idiot" threads by Jane Doe. If you remove Doe's threads, have you censored her, or interfered with her 'free speech'? No.

*What is Lady G supposed to have done other than move threads she takes to be inappropriate"?

*Why is she wrong, according to you?" (about what's appropriate to that forum)

Let me mention one other key fact: It's up to a moderator how much, if any, abuse and argument about themselves personally or about their decisions that they decide to allow.

Having looked at *some* of your threads she recently moved (I was spurred by curiosity about your complaints), all I see is abuse of her, i.e., calling her names.

There is at least one area/forum within Lit that is very free in speech, though again subject to some controls. In the General Board, which is unmoderated, you may 'flame' anyone to your heart's content within the law and Lit's most liberal rules. You may call Joe Blow an idiot and post reasons why, but not post his home address, for example.

Author's H is a less appropriate forum, but is also unmoderated. But how much anyone listens to accusations that have no posted facts with them, is up to them.

So neither I, nor anyone reading this thread has *gotten from you* any basic information about what improper thing LadyG is supposed to have done. Removing abuse of herself is entirely within the range of her proper authority.

best,
pure
(moderator of another forum)
 
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I'd just like to know what it is about the word 'moderate' that you don't understand.

Free speech is very much like the the phrase "never apologise" it carries its own censorship by definition.
 
gauchecritic said:
I'd just like to know what it is about the word 'moderate' that you don't understand.

Free speech is very much like the the phrase "never apologise" it carries its own censorship by definition.
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Just like to know what it is about the word 'asshole' that you don't understand.
 
Brinnie said:


Just like to know what it is about the word 'asshole' that you don't understand.
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I have a picture on my screen which illustrates it.
 
Do you see, now?

This is exactly why I went to the trouble of pointing out your objectionable conduct yesterday.

First you posted a flock of press releases from the Free Speech Coalition, put Admin under your picture, and acted as if you filled some official position within the organization.


Yesterday, you were only posting unprofessionally undiplomatic and crude messages, but it certainly hasn’t taken you long to begin abusing your assumed authority by initiating a personal vendetta against people who have offended you by failing to follow the commands which your delusion informs you that they should.

Again, I recommend to any of your followers who are seriously concerned about the Free Speech Coalition, to get their information directly from their official online site, and not depend upon you as a conduit for information.

Link to Free Speech Coalition
 
What you don't understand is that she's ABUSING her power...

I'm getting PM's from people who say they've written helpful tutorials, only to have it deleted/moved because they're on LadyG's bad side. And I'm about to publish that shit. I don't give a fuck if I'm not supposed to or not, if LadyG wants to play hardball, it's on...


Virtual_Burlesque: You're full of shit.
 
Brinnie said:
. . . I'm about to publish that shit. I don't give a fuck if I'm not supposed to or not ...

Virtual_Burlesque: You're full of shit.
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If you cared to look, I believe the reason for your problem is contain in your complaint.

And thank you, too, Brinnie. Character assassinations by you are accolades.
 
Just please stop with your high tech wizardry (that I don't know how to do) pasting images in your post that are wider than my screen.
 
PS-- free speech

I had not noticed, but...

[[Brinnie, in the How To forum, you're running a thread about 'how to replace a shitty moderator' and a another thread attacking her. That looks like 'free speech' to me.]]

Correction to the above, 7-18.

//Brinnie, in the How to forum, a screenname called 'skyy angel' is running a complaint thread {entitled, "How to replace a shitty moderator"} about the How To forum. You have access to it, and in fact have posted to it. That looks like free speech to me.//

Since you have not presented any examples of alleged improper behavior, it looks that what you call 'censorship' is her moving three or four *additional* threads attacking her, calling her a stupid #$^%$# etc.

Lady G, in fact, need not permit any flames against her since they are, by definition 'off topic.'

You have access to the General Board where flames are allowed and you can do so to your heart's content. That also is free speech.

Having glanced over the 'how to remove a shitty moderator' thread, i see a few other people have noted the lack of substance or evidence around your complaints.

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[above are unofficial comments; i am a moderator at another Lit forum]

pure.
 
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Pure said:
I had not noticed, but...

Brinnie, in the How To forum, you're running a thread about 'how to replace a shitty moderator' and a another thread attacking her. That looks like 'free speech' to me.

Since you have not presented any examples of alleged improper behavior, it looks that what you call 'censorship' is her moving three or four *additional* threads attacking her, calling her a stupid #$^%$# etc.

Lady G, in fact, need not permit any flames against her since they are, by definition 'off topic.'

You have access to the General Board where flames are allowed and you can do so to your heart's content. That also is free speech.

Having glanced over the 'how to remove a shitty moderator' thread, i see a few other people have noted the lack of substance or evidence around your complaints.

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[above are unofficial comments; i am a moderator at another Lit forum]




pure.
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THAT IS NOT MY THREAD, PEASEANT!
 
Brinnie said:
So last night I made a poll in the How-To section about LadyG, in which almost EVERYONE voted for her removal, but of course, she deleted that too.
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OK. Take a look at that poll you posted and tell us what does it have to do with "How To", and then convince us you didn't make all those votes yourself.
 
Freedom of speech is generally assumed to have limitations. Those limits depend upon where you are, but almost all governments that protect freedom of speech also have laws that limit that freedom. Laws that define slander and liabel and provide civil and legal penalties are one example. Laws in Many European countires that outlaw "hateful" speech are another.

In general, your freedom of speech carries with it the same limitation as your freedom to swung your fist. It ends at the exact point where my nose begins.

People who insist on exercising their freedom to speak with no bounds tend to have few friends. Most all of us censor ourselves, that self cencoring coming under headings like, tact, politeness and common courtesy.

This is not to take a side. It is merely to point out that rational limits upon one's freedom to speak exist. Some are written into law. Some are simply defined individually as acceptable and inapproriate social interaction.
 
From one peasant to another (note spelling)

Hi Brinnie

[below are unofficial comments]

Originally Posted by Pure to Brinnie

//I had not noticed, but...

Brinnie, in the How To forum, you're running a thread about 'how to replace a shitty moderator' and a another thread attacking her. That looks like 'free speech' to me.

Since you have not presented any examples of alleged improper behavior, it looks that what you call 'censorship' is her moving three or four *additional* threads attacking her, calling her a stupid #$^%$# etc.

Lady G, in fact, need not permit any flames against her since they are, by definition 'off topic.'

You have access to the General Board where flames are allowed and you can do so to your heart's content. That also is free speech.

Having glanced over the 'how to remove a shitty moderator' thread, i see a few other people have noted the lack of substance or evidence around your complaints.

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[above are unofficial comments; i am a moderator at another Lit forum]

pure. //

Brinnie replied:

THAT IS NOT MY THREAD, PEASEANT!

You are correct, Brinnie. I misspoke. [I will make the correction.] BUT

There is, in fact, a thread in How To, called 'how to get rid of a shitty moderator', under the name of 'skyy angel'.

You have access to it, and have posted to it. So the point remains, that you have free speech in that thread, about conditions in the How To forum.

The point also remains that what's currently deleted (i.e., shifted to mod queue) of yours, is simply *additional* threads of you calling Lady G names.

You can, however, start an 'anti Lady Jane' thread in the general board. For a long time there was a "Laurel is a cunt" thread, and if that's your idea of effective debate (as opposed to egg on your face), start a similar one for Lady Jane.



pure
 
You do sound a bit like the People's Front of Judea (Life of Brian)....

Petition-schmetition. Pffaw!

That is, if you're not going to take up arms, the next most viable answer is this: Don't post any more stories here, don't read stories here, don't click on ads.

That's it! Problem solved. Lit goes out of business and Bill&TedsLit.com with no censorship thrives.

Huh? What do you mean people here don't really care about freedom, and free speech? What do you mean they only pay lip service to it? Nonsense! I say, balderdash!

Next you're going to try to tell me that folks here would willingly change the ages of characters in their stories to 18 just to get their story posted!!??

Inconceivable!

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Seriously, start a new site. Allow everything. I will post everthing I've ever written on it, and anything new. I've already committed myself to not posting any new stories on this site once I learned about the age/bestiality/whateverelseIforgot restrictions. (Even though I haven't written any of those yet.)

Heck, just from a user interface perspective, Lit has a lot of problems that could easily be improved upon.

(It wouldn't bother me if the Lit folks said "we don't post stories about kids because we find them distasteful." Telling me they're knuckling under makes me want to step away and offer no support at all.)

And, just to make sure you're on the right page: Just what government imposed restrictions would you support (if you were in charge here)?
 
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