circumcision...ugh

thegirlfriday11

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my poor son...but he's having it done

and one of the first decisions i have to make as a mom is whether to traumatize him on the first or second day of his birth
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
my poor son...but he's having it done

and one of the first decisions i have to make as a mom is whether to traumatize him on the first or second day of his birth
Try not to think of it that way.

It's not going to be a great day for him regardless, nor will he remember it.
 
MechaBlade said:
Try not to think of it that way.

It's not going to be a great day for him regardless, nor will he remember it.

yeah....gawd, i don't want to watch, but i want to be there for him

this is the first time a medical procedure is getting to me...and i worked in medicine a long time
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
my poor son...but he's having it done

and one of the first decisions i have to make as a mom is whether to traumatize him on the first or second day of his birth

Traumatized is a rather harsh word. Especially when you consider that leaving the womb is kind of an earth shattering experience, a little nip should pale in comparison.
 
I never missed my foreskin. I wasn't even aware that I was missing one until my fiance told me I was circumcised. I think you should go ahead and have it done right away the first day. If you had just been squeezed out through somebody's ass, having your prick pricked would be low on your list of bodily insults for the day.
 
Wilben said:
Traumatized is a rather harsh word. Especially when you consider that leaving the womb is kind of an earth shattering experience, a little nip should pale in comparison.


i thought about that too....first he comes out of the womb (trauma to mother and child) then he suffers pain

kinda weird...his birth is going to traumatize my genital area then his genital area is going to be traumatized when he's born
 
smy3th said:
I never missed my foreskin. I wasn't even aware that I was missing one until my fiance told me I was circumcised. I think you should go ahead and have it done right away the first day. If you had just been squeezed out through somebody's ass, having your prick pricked would be low on your list of bodily insults for the day.


if he comes out of my ass then they'd best do the circumcision while i'm on my way to surgery if they're going to do it the first day
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
i thought about that too....first he comes out of the womb (trauma to mother and child) then he suffers pain

kinda weird...his birth is going to traumatize my genital area then his genital area is going to be traumatized when he's born

Yes, but you'll remember the pain of giving birth, he won't even really be capable of remembering the pain of being circumcised.
 
Ass is a general term, not specific to the rectal orifice, but regardless, the kid gets squeezed so hard, his skull gets warped, and his balls bulge out.

Actually, they'll probably be sewing up your episiotomy anyway, so it won't make a whole lot of difference.

Might as well both get your genitals cut the same day. Think of it as a mother - son bondage (sorry - bonding) experience.
 
smy3th said:
Ass is a general term, not specific to the rectal orifice, but regardless, the kid gets squeezed so hard, his skull gets warped, and his balls bulge out.

Actually, they'll probably be sewing up your episiotomy anyway, so it won't make a whole lot of difference.

Might as well both get your genitals cut the same day. Think of it as a mother - son bondage (sorry - bonding) experience.

LMAO!!
 
Equinoxe said:
Yes, but you'll remember the pain of giving birth, he won't even really be capable of remembering the pain of being circumcised.


i'm really beginning to understand the sacrifices a mother makes
 
Yes, but you'll remember the pain of giving birth, he won't even really be capable of remembering the pain of being circumcised.
I don't think mother's really remember the pain. If they did, everyone would be an only child. I think the mother blanks a lot of it out. And the overwhelming feeling afterwards is almost always joy.

Actually nowdays, they mostly give epidurals. Not that it eliminates labor pains, but it does make it a lot less painful.
 
i'm really beginning to understand the sacrifices a mother makes
Actually, giving birth is not the hardest part - it's the 25 years after that.
 
Why in the HELL are you having it done?

Sorry to be harsh, but why are you having it done?

Most of the world's men are uncirced, and healthy. Over a third of American babies are now uncut. Why don't you leave him the choice of being however HE wants to be, not how YOU want him to be?

And yes, he WILL remember it, in a sense. Studies show that circumcision is so painful that the child's pain response is modified half a year later - boys that have been circed respond much strongly to being vaccinated 6 months later. Look here. There have been lots of other studies that demonstrate that subjecting infants infants and children to stress has bad effects in later life (like permanent hypertension from living in a stressful home). Why hurt your kid if you don't need to?

Many of the women here like playing with their men's skins, and many of the uncirced men love their skins. And if they don't, they can make the decision to have it cut off themselves. And they can have it done just the way THEY want it, not they way some hassled hurried inexperienced sleep-deprived resident MD does it.

I've got two suggestions, if you do decide to do it. First, get it done with an anesthetic. This is an absolute must. Full local block, not a cream. And get it done by someone who knows what he is doing, and who knows not to cut too tightly.

Next, write a letter to your son, explaining to him WHY you had him circumcised, and why exactly you knew that this is what HE would want. Seal it in an envelope, and give it to him in 14 or 18 years. You might want to explain how you will compensate him if he disagrees with your decision about HIS body.

Seriously, listen to your own conscience. This doesn't even sound like something you want. So why do it? Who is making you do it?

Please have a good look at this site: http://www.cirp.org/

Also, Penn and Teller are going to be debunking circ on Showtime on the 25th or 26th. Watch it if you can. Please.
 
in the uk circumcsion is pretty rare...i'm curious. why are you having it done?
 
smy3th said:
Might as well both get your genitals cut the same day. Think of it as a mother - son bondage (sorry - bonding) experience.
Absolutely. Cut/Uncut/Intact/natural/ How ever you want to call it. Better now, believe me. This is something (as a man) wouldn't want to wish this on any guy later on or as an adult. I'll just say I was circumcised at 14. I'll spare you the gory details of recovery.


:eek:
 
EarnestImp said:
Sorry to be harsh, but why are you having it done?

Most of the world's men are uncirced, and healthy. Over a third of American babies are now uncut. Why don't you leave him the choice of being however HE wants to be, not how YOU want him to be?

And yes, he WILL remember it, in a sense. Studies show that circumcision is so painful that the child's pain response is modified half a year later - boys that have been circed respond much strongly to being vaccinated 6 months later. Look here. There have been lots of other studies that demonstrate that subjecting infants infants and children to stress has bad effects in later life (like permanent hypertension from living in a stressful home). Why hurt your kid if you don't need to?

Many of the women here like playing with their men's skins, and many of the uncirced men love their skins. And if they don't, they can make the decision to have it cut off themselves. And they can have it done just the way THEY want it, not they way some hassled hurried inexperienced sleep-deprived resident MD does it.

I've got two suggestions, if you do decide to do it. First, get it done with an anesthetic. This is an absolute must. Full local block, not a cream. And get it done by someone who knows what he is doing, and who knows not to cut too tightly.

Next, write a letter to your son, explaining to him WHY you had him circumcised, and why exactly you knew that this is what HE would want. Seal it in an envelope, and give it to him in 14 or 18 years. You might want to explain how you will compensate him if he disagrees with your decision about HIS body.

Seriously, listen to your own conscience. This doesn't even sound like something you want. So why do it? Who is making you do it?

Please have a good look at this site: http://www.cirp.org/

Also, Penn and Teller are going to be debunking circ on Showtime on the 25th or 26th. Watch it if you can. Please.

an uncut penis is unhealthy and unattractive

i'm his mother, i can make that decision...he's having it done, no questions asked...and he'll be glad for it, trust me, i'm a woman, i know these things....think about it...kids start petting in their teens and american teenage girls ....well, let's just say they'd react to an uncut penis in a way that could cause insecurity and social rejection....which is a whole hell of a lot more painful and remembered than a circumcision at birth

i just feel sad it's gonna hurt....but i don't feel guilty in a sense that i'm second guessing my decision or even think it's a bad one
 
Wilben said:
Traumatized is a rather harsh word. Especially when you consider that leaving the womb is kind of an earth shattering experience, a little nip should pale in comparison.

No, this just isn't what the research suggests. Circumcision is by far the most traumatic event that happens to a neonate. There have been numerous studies that measure stress hormones, and circ tops the list.

There have been numerous reports and studies that circumcision interferes with breast feeding, which birth alone does not do.

You can see videos of babies being circed here. Babies do not scream like this when they are born. There is just no comparison.

http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/ouch.gif
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
an uncut penis is unhealthy and unattractive

i'm his mother, i can make that decision...he's having it done, no questions asked...and he'll be glad for it, trust me, i'm a woman, i know these things....think about it...kids start petting in their teens and american teenage girls ....well, let's just say they'd react to an uncut penis in a way that could cause insecurity and social rejection....which is a whole hell of a lot more painful and remembered than a circumcision at birth

i just feel sad it's gonna hurt....but i don't feel guilty in a sense that i'm second guessing my decision or even think it's a bad one
hmmm...that's the reasons families give or circumcising 8 year old girls...

honestly? i've only ever come across 1 cut dick, it looked no better than the rest. i've never been with a man who had any health problems caused by it. my view is that nature put it there for a reason.

but i can't see that it will cause him any harm to get it done, he's your chld and i'm sure you've thought it through. i hope it all goes well for you both :rose:
 
EarnestImp said:
No, this just isn't what the research suggests. Circumcision is by far the most traumatic event that happens to a neonate. There have been numerous studies that measure stress hormones, and circ tops the list.

There have been numerous reports and studies that circumcision interferes with breast feeding, which birth alone does not do.

You can see videos of babies being circed here. Babies do not scream like this when they are born. There is just no comparison.

http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/ouch.gif

oh quit being so dramatic

no one is disputing it hurts

but so does labor and delivery and women survive it

lots of things in life are traumatic and painful...i grew up going to the ER every few months with a broken bone because i was active and adventurous...and i had some bad breaks in which the pain was unbearable and lasted for weeks....but i wasn't emotionally damaged for a lifetime because of it
 
dolf said:
hmmm...that's the reasons families give or circumcising 8 year old girls...

honestly? i've only ever come across 1 cut dick, it looked no better than the rest. i've never been with a man who had any health problems caused by it. my view is that nature put it there for a reason.

but i can't see that it will cause him any harm to get it done, he's your chld and i'm sure you've thought it through. i hope it all goes well for you both :rose:

thanks
:kiss:
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
an uncut penis is unhealthy and unattractive

"Unhealthy" is bullshit. There is no major medical organization in the world that says that circ is on balance medically necessary or strongly indicated. Look here for statements by medical organizations.

As for unattractive, that is a matter of personal opinion. And 1/3 of US babies are not circed nowadays. So US women will be used to intact men.

i just feel sad it's gonna hurt....but i don't feel guilty in a sense that i'm second guessing my decision or even think it's a bad one

Then why don't you INSIST on a local nerve block anesthetic? Why don't you have it done by a specialist if the hospital won't give a block? Why do you complain about it being painful when you are doing nothing to alleviate the pain? A nerve block is a well established procedure. Performing genital surgery on an infant without anesthesia is just cruel, and the pain is un-necessary.
 
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