The Rosie Archives

Definately interesting....have to find time to read more but can say I can identify with what she says on number 11.

Catalina

i've read some of her stuff and she reminds me of the submissive Screamer (kanthra adair) and both have a no bs look at the culture.

Refreshing stuff, but not unique to either women. Our Anelize is cut from their cloth. So are a few others.

i've liked Rosie's take on how sex has always been an integral part of D/s. Lots of us (myself included) tend to focus on the sexual aspects of D/s because ... well, the D/s and the S/M moves us on an erotic level. Even non-sex play can be a sexual stimulus. While that's not all there is to D/s and S/M, it's a large part of it for many. No surprise there.

Good reading though.

lara

From what I have read of Screamer Girl, I was never a big fan....to me it often seemed to be more about making a big noise in your face type attitude, or perhaps it is that attitude which detracts often from what is being said and also gives an impression of 'if you don't like my way, FINE, but my way is the best and right way'. Her whole site is geared around that message IMO, including the blaring red background and messages of why people might like to get out before entering.

I see Rosie as presenting her view in a direct and honest way, but also not coming across with an 'I'm the authority on this' type attitude, but presenting facts as she has experienced them or heard of from others. There is less confrontation mode, and more an open and honest speaking of her relationship and what works for her/them while still not giving the impression she looks down on others who do it differently.

The difference between the two I think is Screamer claims she deals in reality with an underlying attitude that if you don't agree with her, you don't and thus are not the type who should read her 'truth', whereas Rosie also speaks about reality but accepts her reality is not necessarily everyone's but also does not mean she is above others or feeling the need to warn people to not read her words. I think Screamer, like many who rely on making noise to get attention, stuns and even silences a lot of people into believing she must be the authority all subs are waiting for....sorry, I am able to speak for myself and don't need someone screaming in my face how things are supposed to be done. Perhaps her aversion to the 'hearts and flowers' type D/s is a sign of Screamer's unresolved personal issues.

Catalina

s'lara said:

i've liked Rosie's take on how sex has always been an integral part of D/s. Lots of us (myself included) tend to focus on the sexual aspects of D/s because ... well, the D/s and the S/M moves us on an erotic level. Even non-sex play can be a sexual stimulus. While that's not all there is to D/s and S/M, it's a large part of it for many. No surprise there.



lara

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I got the impression (from the extract below) that though she felt sex was part of the mix for many, for her personally as much as she liked it, she felt she could live without the sex but never without the domination. While I would not like to have to make a choice, I know from my years in the vanilla lifestyle that the dominance has to be the choice I would make if necessary as sex alone without SM and D/s, does not do it for me. Just have to hope none of us have to make a choice this difficult. Does show the diversity of how we all experience our realities though.


http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands/rosie/rosie1.htm
"Now I'm a ghost of a different shade--I really love the non-sexual domination as well as the sexual. I see the latter as simply an intensified version of the former: while both light a fire under me, one cooks the soup a lot faster . No, actually, it's not as trite as that: the non-sexual domination, while more subtle and less obviously sexy, has had a far more profound effect on my sexuality than the less-frequent-but-more-dramatic physical scenes that we do. It seems that the constant non-sexual domination I experience in my relationship has served to enhance the sexual episodes, in the sense that it has softened me up, that is, made me more consciously and more deeply submissive and less prone to resistance or other hang ups during a scene.

I'm not the type, however, who could live happily with her partner without any S&M. I could survive easily (if not entirely enjoyably) in a relationship without any physical sex, but if you took away the mental aspects as well (say for instance, if someone suddenly waved a magic wand at Donald and he turned vanilla), I'd be absolutely miserable. While this isn't literally true, it almost feels right to me to say that I _want_ sex, but I _need_ domination."


Catalina

catalina_francisco said:

I got the impression (from the extract below) that though she felt sex was part of the mix for many, for her personally as much as she liked it, she felt she could live without the sex but never without the domination. While I would not like to have to make a choice, I know from my years in the vanilla lifestyle that the dominance has to be the choice I would make if necessary as sex alone without SM and D/s, does not do it for me. Just have to hope none of us have to make a choice this difficult. Does show the diversity of how we all experience our realities though.


http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands/rosie/rosie1.htm
"Now I'm a ghost of a different shade--I really love the non-sexual domination as well as the sexual. I see the latter as simply an intensified version of the former: while both light a fire under me, one cooks the soup a lot faster . No, actually, it's not as trite as that: the non-sexual domination, while more subtle and less obviously sexy, has had a far more profound effect on my sexuality than the less-frequent-but-more-dramatic physical scenes that we do. It seems that the constant non-sexual domination I experience in my relationship has served to enhance the sexual episodes, in the sense that it has softened me up, that is, made me more consciously and more deeply submissive and less prone to resistance or other hang ups during a scene.

I'm not the type, however, who could live happily with her partner without any S&M. I could survive easily (if not entirely enjoyably) in a relationship without any physical sex, but if you took away the mental aspects as well (say for instance, if someone suddenly waved a magic wand at Donald and he turned vanilla), I'd be absolutely miserable. While this isn't literally true, it almost feels right to me to say that I _want_ sex, but I _need_ domination."


Catalina

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i wouldn't like to make that choice either. Quel horreur. However, if you read on, you'll see she talks about how sex is very much a part of D/s for her. Check this out:

"I don't crave someone to make all my decisions for me just for the sake of the decisions being made, I crave it because the abject lack of power this implies turns me on immensely. Sex is mixed into all of it for me, and I can't separate it from the other aspects of a D/S relationship, just as I can't separate the squashed potatoes from the smashed peas from the mushy carrots in a five-day-old stew."

http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands/rosie/rosie6.htm

While she'd pick Domination over the sex, the erotic feelings she recognized in her D/s relationship pretty much permeated her activities. That is kind of the point of my previous post ... the sexual aspect is a large part of D/s. Whether or not we'd choose one over the other does not negate the fact that sexual undertones exist throughout much of what we do/have done.

lara

s'lara said:

i wouldn't like to make that choice either. Quel horreur. However, if you read on, you'll see she talks about how sex is very much a part of D/s for her...

While she'd pick Domination over the sex, the erotic feelings she recognized in her D/s relationship pretty much permeated her activities. That is kind of the point of my previous post ... the sexual aspect is a large part of D/s. Whether or not we'd choose one over the other does not negate the fact that sexual undertones exist throughout much of what we do/have done.

lara

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True...I also think the one we are with has some impact on how the mix works best for us.

Catalina

catalina_francisco said:

From what I have read of Screamer Girl, I was never a big fan....to me it often seemed to be more about making a big noise in your face type attitude, or perhaps it is that attitude which detracts often from what is being said and also gives an impression of 'if you don't like my way, FINE, but my way is the best and right way'. Her whole site is geared around that message IMO, including the blaring red background and messages of why people might like to get out before entering.

I see Rosie as presenting her view in a direct and honest way, but also not coming across with an 'I'm the authority on this' type attitude, but presenting facts as she has experienced them or heard of from others. There is less confrontation mode, and more an open and honest speaking of her relationship and what works for her/them while still not giving the impression she looks down on others who do it differently.

The difference between the two I think is Screamer claims she deals in reality with an underlying attitude that if you don't agree with her, you don't and thus are not the type who should read her 'truth', whereas Rosie also speaks about reality but accepts her reality is not necessarily everyone's but also does not mean she is above others or feeling the need to warn people to not read her words. I think Screamer, like many who rely on making noise to get attention, stuns and even silences a lot of people into believing she must be the authority all subs are waiting for....sorry, I am able to speak for myself and don't need someone screaming in my face how things are supposed to be done. Perhaps her aversion to the 'hearts and flowers' type D/s is a sign of Screamer's unresolved personal issues.

Catalina

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Screamer is certainly more strident in her opinions and while i appreciate the brash, "i'm walking here" tone, i don't necessarily believe she speaks for all submissives nor do i think one single person can do so. Rosie and Screamer, in their own way, challenged people and their viewpoints of BDSM, but their underlying similarity is the same ... they caused people to become passionate about their ideals, such as you just did with stating your strong aversion to Screamer, Cat.

While i don't claim to know what issues Screamer has or Rosie for that matter, i certainly don't spend too much time on the delivery of the message, but rather the message if it's a good one and makes sense to me.

Each lady riled up others and that, imo, is what makes them both similar.

lara

s'lara said:

Rosie and Screamer, in their own way, challenged people and their viewpoints of BDSM, but their underlying similarity is the same ... they caused people to become passionate about their ideals, such as you just did with stating your strong aversion to Screamer, Cat.



lara

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LOL, believe me, I have been passionate and outspoken about my ideals since about 5 yo when I first discovered racism. While it is good to have representation of sub's speaking their mind, I don't think they have been the cause of people finding passion about what they believe in their own D/s reality and voicing it. I tend to think the internet has made it more possible for those voices to be heard by a wider audience, as has a widening acceptability of discussing lifestyle issues, but there have always been people with a view and courage to speak it. I do like challenging ideas and ideals though as I think whether it is a view you agree with or not, it adds to growth of all those who wish to discuss and examine it, and yes, does get some to think deeper than the 'what feels good' reflex which is always fun. I'm just not a fan of loud anywhere which is probably why Screamer presses all the wrong buttons for me (plus I don't agree with all she says or the way she sees/says it).

Catalina

catalina_francisco said:

LOL, believe me, I have been passionate and outspoken about my ideals since about 5 yo when I first discovered racism. While it is good to have representation of sub's speaking their mind, I don't think they have been the cause of people finding passion about what they believe in their own D/s reality and voicing it. I tend to think the internet has made it more possible for those voices to be heard by a wider audience, as has a widening acceptability of discussing lifestyle issues, but there have always been people with a view and courage to speak it. I do like challenging ideas and ideals though as I think whether it is a view you agree with or not, it adds to growth of all those who wish to discuss and examine it, and yes, does get some to think deeper than the 'what feels good' reflex which is always fun. I'm just not a fan of loud anywhere which is probably why Screamer presses all the wrong buttons for me (plus I don't agree with all she says or the way she sees/says it).

Catalina

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i agree that there are people who have been and are still vocal about their ideas on the culture. However, people are further impassioned when challenged. i don't believe that people like Screamer and Rosie are solely responsible for lifestylers being forthright and outspoken about their ideals. However, i do believe that their particular brand of writing and expression of thought did generate (and still does) an interest and cause for impassioned debate regarding BDSM.

To be able to evoke strong feelings regarding a particular topic does not mean those feelings aren't already present, it just means that you were able to tap into that persons mindset hard enough for them to verbalize (strongly) their ideals. There are plenty of us who are forthcoming in our thoughts and beliefs, but that high level of passionate expression regarding those thoughts and beliefs usually presents itself when we're "stimulated" in some way. That's what these ladies have done and that's cool. As with you, i appreciate being challenged with ideas, whether or not i agree with them.

lara

s'lara said:

i agree that there are people who have been and are still vocal about their ideas on the culture. However, people are further impassioned when challenged. i don't believe that people like Screamer and Rosie are solely responsible for lifestylers being forthright and outspoken about their ideals. However, i do believe that their particular brand of writing and expression of thought did generate (and still does) an interest and cause for impassioned debate regarding BDSM.

To be able to evoke strong feelings regarding a particular topic does not mean those feelings aren't already present, it just means that you were able to tap into that persons mindset hard enough for them to verbalize (strongly) their ideals. There are plenty of us who are forthcoming in our thoughts and beliefs, but that high level of passionate expression regarding those thoughts and beliefs usually presents itself when we're "stimulated" in some way. That's what these ladies have done and that's cool. As with you, i appreciate being challenged with ideas, whether or not i agree with them.

lara

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Is one of the things I like about Lit BDSM Talk....we do manage to keep challenging each other's ideas and thoughts and learning from our eclectic experiences.

Catalina

Researching this Screamer person led me to this interesting "blog" .


Has anyone heard of this "Old Russian Woodshed"?

rosco rathbone said:

Researching this Screamer person led me to this interesting "blog" .


Has anyone heard of this "Old Russian Woodshed"?

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i've heard of it and saw some of the pictures.

http://www.russianwoodshed.com/crossroads1.htm

The pics show welting, severe marks, etc. on the the thighs and buttocks of various women and men. Tweak.

lara

You are such a spy, S'lara. You and Queenbee Flea would make a hell of a team. Going everywhere on the sly and peeping and knowing everything.

rosco rathbone said:

You are such a spy, S'lara. You and Queenbee Flea would make a hell of a team. Going everywhere on the sly and peeping and knowing everything.

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i don't know nearly as much as i should, but these topics tend to run into one area. If someone asked me to opine on welding and creating building structures, i'd be up a creek sans paddle. Queenbee would likely make a better spy ... she's much cooler and that avatar screams sassy spy.

s'lara said:

i don't know nearly as much as i should, but these topics tend to run into one area. If someone asked me to opine on welding and creating building structures, i'd be up a creek sans paddle. Queenbee would likely make a better spy ... she's much cooler and that avatar screams sassy spy.

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Yeah, alright, spy.

catalina_francisco said:

The difference between the two I think is Screamer claims she deals in reality with an underlying attitude that if you don't agree with her, you don't and thus are not the type who should read her 'truth', whereas Rosie also speaks about reality but accepts her reality is not necessarily everyone's but also does not mean she is above others or feeling the need to warn people to not read her words. I think Screamer, like many who rely on making noise to get attention, stuns and even silences a lot of people into believing she must be the authority all subs are waiting for....sorry, I am able to speak for myself and don't need someone screaming in my face how things are supposed to be done. Perhaps her aversion to the 'hearts and flowers' type D/s is a sign of Screamer's unresolved personal issues.

Catalina

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I have to disagree with you here, Cat. I think they both do they same thing, and that's exactly what you're describing in your post. It's just what you bring that causes you to be irritated, not what she happens to be writing.

Let me put it to you this way. I know and love you, we've met and talked in person, I've gotten to know you a bit, and understand how you think and what your views on BDSM and submission are, and I enjoy reading your posts and get something out them; however, there may be someone on this board who finds your posts strident and shrill, preaching and irritating, and of absolutely no merit whatsoever.

My point is, we each have our own viewpoints about what we read not only because of what we are reading but because of what we bring to the table.

I don't think Rosie and Screamer are much different. I just think your viewpoint is.

I happen to see interesting views on both pages, but happen to find Screamer's stuff more interesting. She speaks to the no-bullshit person that I've brought to the table.

I don't HEAR screaming, Cat. Just the same conversational tone I always use. LOL.

~anelize

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I have to disagree with you here, Cat. I think they both do they same thing, and that's exactly what you're describing in your post. It's just what you bring that causes you to be irritated, not what she happens to be writing.

Let me put it to you this way. I know and love you, we've met and talked in person, I've gotten to know you a bit, and understand how you think and what your views on BDSM and submission are, and I enjoy reading your posts and get something out them; however, there may be someone on this board who finds your posts strident and shrill, preaching and irritating, and of absolutely no merit whatsoever.

My point is, we each have our own viewpoints about what we read not only because of what we are reading but because of what we bring to the table.

I don't think Rosie and Screamer are much different. I just think your viewpoint is.

I happen to see interesting views on both pages, but happen to find Screamer's stuff more interesting. She speaks to the no-bullshit person that I've brought to the table.

I don't HEAR screaming, Cat. Just the same conversational tone I always use. LOL.

~anelize

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LOL, and you are right it is in interpretation but me thinks the girl don't give herself the name Screamer Girl because she likes to converse quietly and listen to other POV's too much. I love directness and an approach which reflects strength, just I can't get past her way to get to appreciate what it is she may be saying...guess she just rubs me up the wrong way as everyone does someone at some point in time. I don't find you have that approach, but you are a no BS person which is why I adore you so. are we still twins?!!

Catalina