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Is it time for a complete overhaul of US Criminal law?

Should we reform laws concerning the murder of children?

  • Yes, society is too harsh on heroic women who euthanize their kids

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • Yes, society is too lenient on men who drive women crazy enough to put their kids out of their miser

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • What kind of bitter, celibate pussy-starved dickless JERK would put a woman in prison for that?!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I'm an unchivalrous, chauvenist pig I say hold men and women to the same laws and prin

    Votes: 7 87.5%
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An expansion of Roe vs Wade to the 4th trimester.

Failing that:

The official designation of children as property of their mother;

Treatment and therapy, not imprisonment, for women who kill their kids;

A murder 1 conviction and life imprisonment without parole for the father if he was there and did nothing;

And the execution of fathers that were totally absent by electric chair, televised on the Oxygen Network, with Maureen Dowd as the commentator and a lottery for any women desiring to yank the switch (which would be used to keep the Oxygen Network free and on network TV).



Society needs to stop being dishonest about the whole crime and punishment thing. We need more honest, up front laws concerning the killing of the fetus ex utero. Laws that reflect less of our empty morals and more of what we collectively do, and desire to do.
 
the USA needs a serious kick in the chops about their whole law system

criminal laws are fucked
copyright laws are discusting
drug laws are proving useless..
 
The treatment & therapy can be funded by an increase in taxes for male citizens directly proportional, percentage-wise, to how much the average man makes vs the average woman, diminishing to a minimum 5 percent tax once gender parity in wages is achieved.
 
LovingTongue said:
The treatment & therapy can be funded by an increase in taxes for male citizens directly proportional, percentage-wise, to how much the average man makes vs the average woman, diminishing to a minimum 5 percent tax once gender parity in wages is achieved.
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I'm amazed the sheer brilliance of that idea has escaped the attention of the California Legislature.
 
Great wording. Heh.

One can not be a feminist and not support women recieving equal penalties and equal punishments. However, that means that women's issues are still considered under law - like post-partam psychosis.
 
There was a doctor on Nightline a few years ago, back when Ted Koppel was still the host, who advocated abortion up until the child was age three. He said there was no significant difference between a child under three and a monkey, that therefore a child could not be considered a human being until that age, and should only have the rights and protections of an animal prior to that.

With pregnancy being treated more and more like a disease, and people unwilling to tolerate children acting like children(i.e. way overprescribing A.D.H.D. medications); I fully expect to see postnatal/postpartum abortion legal in my lifetime, but it will probably be limited to one year of age in America, as that will be an easier sell.
 
spiderrand said:
I fully expect to see postnatal/postpartum abortion legal in my lifetime, but it will probably be limited to one year of age in America, as that will be an easier sell.
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Kerry introduced that bill last year. It got nowhere, but it's like any other issue that is socially divisive. After a while, more and more people will warm to the idea.
 
spiderrand said:
There was a doctor on Nightline a few years ago, back when Ted Koppel was still the host, who advocated abortion up until the child was age three. He said there was no significant difference between a child under three and a monkey, that therefore a child could not be considered a human being until that age, and should only have the rights and protections of an animal prior to that.

With pregnancy being treated more and more like a disease, and people unwilling to tolerate children acting like children(i.e. way overprescribing A.D.H.D. medications); I fully expect to see postnatal/postpartum abortion legal in my lifetime, but it will probably be limited to one year of age in America, as that will be an easier sell.
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I think if you believe that, you're insane.
 
spiderrand said:
There was a doctor on Nightline a few years ago, back when Ted Koppel was still the host, who advocated abortion up until the child was age three. He said there was no significant difference between a child under three and a monkey, that therefore a child could not be considered a human being until that age, and should only have the rights and protections of an animal prior to that.

With pregnancy being treated more and more like a disease, and people unwilling to tolerate children acting like children(i.e. way overprescribing A.D.H.D. medications); I fully expect to see postnatal/postpartum abortion legal in my lifetime, but it will probably be limited to one year of age in America, as that will be an easier sell.
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I would support that
far to many people are having children and just can't care for them
ad we've seen the results of foster homes
 
bisexplicit said:
I think if you believe that, you're insane.
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Do I support it: No
Do I think it will happen:Yes
It doesn't matter if something is right or wrong, If enough people support it, it will become law. All to often you hear people say it would have been better for someone to have been aborted than abused, neglected, unloved, or even poor.

I grew up abused, hated by some who should have loved me, and rather poor. My father wanted me aborted, and did everything he could to try and convince my mother to do it. I would never chose not to be here, but kids don't get to make that choice.

Euthanasia is already legal in parts of the world, and the assisted suicide laws here are but the first step to that. Killing is considered a kindess by too many people.

Poeple will justify anything that makes their lives easier in the long run.
When enough people think like this poster below, it will happen. Their numbers grow every day.
ShinigamiSama said:
I would support that
far to many people are having children and just can't care for them
ad we've seen the results of foster homes
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spiderrand said:
Do I support it: No
Do I think it will happen:Yes
It doesn't matter if something is right or wrong, If enough people support it, it will become law. All to often you hear people say it would have been better for someone to have been aborted than abused, neglected, unloved, or even poor.

I grew up abused, hated by some who should have loved me, and rather poor. My father wanted me aborted, and did everything he could to try and convince my mother to do it. I would never chose not to be here, but kids don't get to make that choice.

Euthanasia is already legal in parts of the world, and the assisted suicide laws here are but the first step to that. Killing is considered a kindess by too many people.

Poeple will justify anything that makes their lives easier in the long run.
When enough people think like this poster below, it will happen. Their numbers grow every day.
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would you rather have emotionaly and phyicaly crippled children, or fewer but far happier and well cared for children?

in my opionin if abortion was legal and safe in africa, they would be much better off, same as if they started using birth control. less children, easier to care for them, as a result they're healthier, and even more easy to care for
compared to 5 or more sick starving children
 
LovingTongue said:
An expansion of Roe vs Wade to the 4th trimester.

Failing that:

The official designation of children as property of their mother;

Treatment and therapy, not imprisonment, for women who kill their kids;

A murder 1 conviction and life imprisonment without parole for the father if he was there and did nothing;

And the execution of fathers that were totally absent by electric chair, televised on the Oxygen Network, with Maureen Dowd as the commentator and a lottery for any women desiring to yank the switch (which would be used to keep the Oxygen Network free and on network TV).



Society needs to stop being dishonest about the whole crime and punishment thing. We need more honest, up front laws concerning the killing of the fetus ex utero. Laws that reflect less of our empty morals and more of what we collectively do, and desire to do.
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You forgot the "I love LT" choice.
 
spiderrand said:
Do I support it: No
Do I think it will happen:Yes
It doesn't matter if something is right or wrong, If enough people support it, it will become law. All to often you hear people say it would have been better for someone to have been aborted than abused, neglected, unloved, or even poor.

I grew up abused, hated by some who should have loved me, and rather poor. My father wanted me aborted, and did everything he could to try and convince my mother to do it. I would never chose not to be here, but kids don't get to make that choice.

Euthanasia is already legal in parts of the world, and the assisted suicide laws here are but the first step to that. Killing is considered a kindess by too many people.

Poeple will justify anything that makes their lives easier in the long run.
When enough people think like this poster below, it will happen. Their numbers grow every day.
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I know quite a few people who grew up in similar situations or were the products of similar households, and pretty much across the board, they feel similarly about this.
Clearly, there are way too many unwanted kids in the world as it is. Animals make the tough decisions like this all the time. If there aren't enough resources to go around, they take the live of one of the litter.

What's more cold, ending a potential existence, or dooming that existence to poverty and destitution?
 
richard_daily said:
I know quite a few people who grew up in similar situations or were the products of similar households, and pretty much across the board, they feel similarly about this.
Clearly, there are way too many unwanted kids in the world as it is. Animals make the tough decisions like this all the time. If there aren't enough resources to go around, they take the live of one of the litter.

What's more cold, ending a potential existence, or dooming that existence to poverty and destitution?
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To be clear; are you advocating pre-natal or post-natal termination?
 
ShinigamiSama said:
would you rather have emotionaly and phyicaly crippled children, or fewer but far happier and well cared for children?

in my opionin if abortion was legal and safe in africa, they would be much better off, same as if they started using birth control. less children, easier to care for them, as a result they're healthier, and even more easy to care for
compared to 5 or more sick starving children
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Studies showed a long time ago (Philip K Ney was the source, IIRC) that higher abuse rates occurred with wanted/planned and adopted kids, than with surprise babies.

"Since elective abortion became available in 1972, there has been a continuing increase in child battering as indicated by a report of 22,693 battered New York children in 1974, and 26,536 in 1975." Philip G. Ney, M.D., "Is elective abortion a cause of child abuse?" Sexual Medicine Today, June 1980

Over ninety percent of battered children are wanted pregnancies. (Lenoski, "Translating injury data into preventive health care services: Physical child abuse," Dept. of Pediatrics, University of Southern California, unpublished, 1976)

Abuse is not more common among defective or retarded children. (Lynch and Roberts, "Predicting child abuse: Signs of bonding failure in the maternity hospital," British Medical Journal 1:624, 1977)

Note: a) I have verified these 3 in library microfiche inquiries; b) their neutrality is still in question. Nevertheless, c) to date I've not seen any study that has refuted these findings.
 
richard_daily said:
I know quite a few people who grew up in similar situations or were the products of similar households, and pretty much across the board, they feel similarly about this.
Clearly, there are way too many unwanted kids in the world as it is. Animals make the tough decisions like this all the time. If there aren't enough resources to go around, they take the live of one of the litter.

What's more cold, ending a potential existence, or dooming that existence to poverty and destitution?
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What if your kid is born well off but then things go horribly south?

We humans have learned that human life has inherent worth and that once the fire of life is lit, the idea is to make best do and preserve it, not snuff it out.

You're sounding like a Republican now...
 
This is why LT was on ignore for years. What a fucktard.
 
LovingTongue said:
It's called satire.
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When you argue in favor for several posts, it is not. It is perversity for the sake of being perverse.
 
LovingTongue said:
Are you willing to strangle an infant?

In a country where infanticide is legal, I mean.
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I highly doubt that strangulation would be allowed. If anything, it would be a medical procedure.

My emotions trump logic on this concern. Euthanizing an infant seems wrong to me.

Regardless, there have existed societies where most women don't develop attachments to their infants until they have passed age two. With a high infant mortality rate, it simply is much more expected for deaths to occur. In a society like that, I doubt infanticide would provoke the same negative feelings. (I wish I had a link or a name of where this occurred, but I do not, sorry.)
 
LovingTongue said:
Are you willing to strangle an infant?

In a country where infanticide is legal, I mean.
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I could do a lot of things I wouldn't want to do. I've killed animals that were suffering, even though I'm a strict vegetarian, because I knew they weren't going to make it.
Would I want to kill a child? of course not. I don't want to give you a quote you can use to say that I'm some sort of baby killer.

I guess I simply place inherent value on quality of life.

Will I probably say something that will contradict that at some point, I'm sure I will. It's not a black and white subject.
 
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