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pecksniff

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That he was trying to turn the U.S. into a totalitarian socialist state.

But he never did anything of the kind. He never even tried.

So now, when you tell us Biden is a Commie, or manipulated by Commies, with similar goals -- why should we believe you?

This hyperbole grows increasingly tedious. Clinton -- he of the hard-centrist Democratic Leadership Council, he who won the nomination by telling the Dems "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result," he who ended "welfare as we know it" -- was the most RW Dem POTUS since Woodrow Wilson. And yet I recall seeing "Clinton for Change" bumper stickers with the C's represented as hammers-and-sickles.

Shut the fuck up with it once and for all.
 
pecksniff said:
That he was trying to turn the U.S. into a totalitarian socialist state.
RWs spent 8 years telling us Obama was a Commie
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He was and did try, but ran up against a majority of Americans who disagreed with his life long beliefs and teachings of his dad and mom. So stop with the pro-commie propaganda.
 
They also said
Obama wasnt a us citizen
That he was a muslim
That if elected the us would have a terrorist attack again
That obama would take your guns away
He would raise taxes
He was weak
He was apologetic
He would start a race war

Remember when tbey blamed him for what his pastor said .. and in The next breath said he was a muslim ... too stupid to relize muslims dont have pastors
 
Rightguide said:
He was and did try, but ran up against a majority of Americans who disagreed with his life long beliefs and teachings of his dad and mom. So stop with the pro-commie propaganda.
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He didn't try. The most radical thing Obama ever did or even tried to do was a health-care plan that left the private insurance companies in business -- and he dropped the not at all radical idea of a universal-Medicare "public option" in the early stages of negotiation -- remember, at the time, at least half the public opposition to the ACA was from people who did not think it went far enough.

And he never was influenced by his Dad, who left when he was two. I recall one of the charges leveled against Obama by the RW was that his purely speculative influence by his Dad make him "anti-colonial" -- well, this is America, aren't we all anti-colonial? Or do we want the British Crown back?
 
Ohh yeah ...
Remember death panels
You would lose your doctor
Your doctor would quit or go to canada ..
(Even though canada has govt health care)
Long lines for care

Tons of other lies
 
What's going on here is that some conservatives have the delusion that the Reagan Revolution was once-and-for-all and after that no Dem POTUS can be legitimate -- an impossible reversal of history, like a Jacobite restoration. Therefore, any Dem POTUS is really a Commie, QED.
 
pecksniff said:
He didn't try. The most radical thing Obama ever did or even tried to do was a health-care plan that left the private insurance companies in business -- and he dropped the not at all radical idea of a universal-Medicare "public option" in the early stages of negotiation -- remember, at the time, at least half the public opposition to the ACA was from people who did not think it went far enough.

And he never was influenced by his Dad, who left when he was two. I recall one of the charges leveled against Obama by the RW was that his purely speculative influence by his Dad make him "anti-colonial" -- well, this is America, aren't we all anti-colonial? Or do we want the British Crown back?
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It seems you forget he wrote a book titled: Dreams from My Father.

Frank Marshall Davis, his mentor, was a Communist. As was Obama's dad and mother.
 
pecksniff said:
What's going on here is that some conservatives have the delusion that the Reagan Revolution was once-and-for-all and after that no Dem POTUS can be legitimate -- an impossible reversal of history, like a Jacobite restoration. Therefore, any Dem POTUS is really a Commie, QED.
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You're the one who brought up Reagan.:rolleyes:
 
Rightguide said:
It seems you forget he wrote a book titled: Dreams from My Father.
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Dreams. Of a father he never knew.

Rightguide said:
Frank Marshall Davis, his mentor, was a Communist. As was Obama's dad and mother.
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So what? Half the Baby Boom generation had red-diaper influences. Practically none of them grew up to be actual Commies, and even those who dabbled with the non-Commie New Left eventually lost interest in it, and Obama was not even one of those, he's even a bit too young to be a Boomer.
 
Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments. He has done more than any other President before him. Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:

1. First President to be photographed smoking a joint.

2. First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

3. First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

4. First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

5. First President to violate the War Powers Act.

6. First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

7. First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

8. First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.

9. First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

10. First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

11. First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.

12. First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

13. First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

14. First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.

15. First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

16. First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

17. First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

18. First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

19. First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

20. First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

21. First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

22. First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

23. First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

24. First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

25. First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

26. First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

27. First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

28. First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

29. First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.

30. First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.

31. First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

32. First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

33. First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

34. First President to repeat the Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

35. First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

36. First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences."

37. Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.

I feel much better now. I had been under the impression he hadn't been doing ANYTHING... Such an accomplished individual... in the eyes of the ignorant maybe.!.
 
pecksniff said:
That he was trying to turn the U.S. into a totalitarian socialist state.

But he never did anything of the kind. He never even tried.
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He was and the (D)'s still are.

pecksniff said:
Shut the fuck up with it once and for all.
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Make me you little Stalin wannabe....fuckin' make me. :)

glamorilla said:
you want to be a slave.
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He wants the totalitarian state to micromanage his existence so bad it drives him nuts.

From wiping his ass to telling him what and how much to eat he can't do god damn anything without his beloved government telling him what to do.

It's a wonder he made it to adulthood in the USA.

pecksniff said:
He didn't try. The most radical thing Obama ever did or even tried to do was a health-care plan that left the private insurance companies in business -- and he dropped the not at all radical idea of a universal-Medicare "public option" in the early stages of negotiation -
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Yea, only select companies. Because he couldn't just nationalize, he realized this is the USA not the DPR of N. Korea.

You and the other (D)'s would be wise to figure that out too.

MissMandy86 said:
Ohh yeah ...
Remember death panels
You would lose your doctor
Your doctor would quit or go to canada ..
(Even though canada has govt health care)
Long lines for care

Tons of other lies
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Millions did lose their Dr.
Many Dr.'s did quit.
Death panels are an inherent part of government provided HC.


MissMandy86 said:
They also said

That if elected the us would have a terrorist attack again
That obama would take your guns away
He would raise taxes
He was weak
He was apologetic
He would start a race war
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And other than the tax/guns it was all true....and the only reason he didn't get to raise taxes or take guns??

He didn't have the authority to do so, or he would have.
 
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pecksniff said:
They do not exist in any other country that has it.
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Buuuuu shit.

They even exist in our government HC.

If your medical care is too expensive and you're just not worth it?? Services will be denied because HC is a finite service built on finite resources.

HC is a business, not a right.
 
CornusKousa said:
Buuuuu shit.

They even exist in our government HC.

If your medical care is too expensive and you're just not worth it?? Services will be denied because HC is a finite service built on finite resources.

HC is a business, not a right.
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That decision might be made by your private insurer, but not because the law requires it under the ACA, it's still a business decision. Your estimated value to society is not a factor considered.
 
pecksniff said:
That decision might be made by your private insurer, but not because the law requires it under the ACA,
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Holy fucking goalpost move bubba....you tired after running that far???LOL :D

I didn't say "private insurer under ACA" did I??

I said GOVERNMENT HC. learn to fucking read or get some honesty about yourself.

pecksniff said:
it's still a business decision.
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Not in a nationalized system it's not.

pecksniff said:
Your estimated value to society is not a factor considered.
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Not currently, because society doesn't control my HC.

Under a socialist system, it does, and it would be.
 
CornusKousa said:
Holy fucking goalpost move bubba....you tired after running that far???LOL :D

I didn't say "private insurer under ACA" did I??

I said GOVERNMENT HC. learn to fucking read or get some honesty about yourself.
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You spoke of our government HC. We don't have that apart from Medicare and Medicaid, and there are no death panels involved in those. Nor is there any such thing in countries such as Canada and the UK which have full single-payer.
 
pecksniff said:
You spoke of our government HC.
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Yes, government HC in the USA.

pecksniff said:
We don't have that apart from Medicare and Medicaid, and there are no death panels involved in those.
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And the VA....and yes there are.

People get their claims and services denied all the time. Every day.

You know what doesn't get denied? CASH MONEY!!!! :D

pecksniff said:
Nor is there any such thing in countries such as Canada and the UK which have full single-payer.
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It's well documented that people in those countries get denied their shit too. Your utopian leftist delusions notwithstanding of course.

They have to, because the goods and services of HC are a finite resource.
 
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