How three million Germans died after VE Day

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The following review appeared in The Telegraph in Britain. It discusses the murder of at least three million Germans, primarily women, children, and the elderly, after VE day. In actual fact, at least another 3 to 6 millions Germans perished in the East long before VE Day: they were murdered, raped, and ethnically cleansed from their ancestral homeland in what was central and eastern areas of Germany. This Holocaust of millions of innocent Germans, of course, has received little of the attention of the the Jewish Holocaust. Most people are not even aware of the massive atrocities against the German people at the end of the Second World War. Why the Jewish Holocaust receives huge media attention 62 years after the end of the war can surely be explained by two factors: 1) powerful Jewish influence in media in almost every Western nation, and 2) The Holocaust is today used a political weapon necessary for the State of Israel. The Holocaust has been used as the bludgeon to justify the ethnic cleansing and barbarous occupation of Palestine by Jewish extremists. This eye-opening review deserves your reading and so does this new book by Giles MacDonogh. — David Duke

Nigel Jones reviews After the Reich: From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift by Giles MacDonogh

Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but in this book, pursuing his other consuming interest - German history - he serves a dish to turn the strongest of stomachs. It makes particularly uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous occupation of Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria.

MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to the shattered skeleton of Hitler’s Reich, but suffering even worse than the destruction wrought by the war. After the atrocities that the Nazis had visited on Europe, some degree of justified vengeance by their victims was inevitable, but the appalling bestialities that MacDonogh documents so soberly went far beyond that. The first 200 pages of his brave book are an almost unbearable chronicle of human suffering.

His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before they could creep back to the holes that had been their homes. The majority of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands perished as prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the Rhine, with no shelter and very little food, they dropped like flies. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held in Russia as late as 1979.

The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder.

Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh - for the first time in English - is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and shivering, were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes. Similar scenes were seen across Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old German communities were brutally expunged.
 
It is known and documented, you dont hear about it much because it was considered retaliatory.
 
That's what losing a war will get you.

Now if the US pulled out of Iraq, how many American lives would be lost?
 
Cade_Is_here said:
The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder.

Oh, I was wondering if Mass Murder made that list. That's like saying "One Million people a year die from Car accidents, Suicide, Bear attacks, and MASS MURDER.

It's a statement rife with drama. Not saying it didn't happen, it sure did and was considered (as stated by another poster) retalitory, but a good bulk of those who died were Prisoners of War, and when it comes to Nazi prisoners-truthfully-got what they had inflicted on others in he past.

The Civillian quotient is troubling and sad, yes. But the article attempts to spin it with this brutality angle that may or may not have been as prevalent as it'd lead you to believe.
 
SulTrain said:
Oh, I was wondering if Mass Murder made that list. That's like saying "One Million people a year die from Car accidents, Suicide, Bear attacks, and MASS MURDER.

It's a statement rife with drama. Not saying it didn't happen, it sure did and was considered (as stated by another poster) retalitory, but a good bulk of those who died were Prisoners of War, and when it comes to Nazi prisoners-truthfully-got what they had inflicted on others in he past.

The Civillian quotient is troubling and sad, yes. But the article attempts to spin it with this brutality angle that may or may not have been as prevalent as it'd lead you to believe.
Plus it's recommended by David Duke. Look him up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke
 
but all those poor, innocent germans wanted to do was wipe out every other race on the planet and repopulate the world with their own hateful seed. is that so wrong?

*cough*
 
phrodeau said:
That's what losing a war will get you.

Now if the US pulled out of Iraq, how many American lives would be lost?
I'd say, not that many Americans but a whole shit load of Iraqis will die. All hell will break loose when we actually pull out….
 
Faneros said:
I'd say, not that many Americans but a whole shit load of Iraqis will die. All hell will break loose when we actually pull out….
Not likely. Each sect is strong enough to hold their own. They'd probably split into separate states, then eventually realize that they're stronger as a unit and band together.
 
killallhippies said:
but all those poor, innocent germans wanted to do was wipe out every other race on the planet and repopulate the world with their own hateful seed. is that so wrong?

*cough*

are you sure that you haven't just been repeating the same wartime propaganda that was shoved down your grandparents throats?

It sounds to me like a lot of people here have no real idea of what the Germans were fighting for. they just know the old wartime propaganda of the Allies and have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
 
phrodeau said:
Not likely. Each sect is strong enough to hold their own. They'd probably split into separate states, then eventually realize that they're stronger as a unit and band together.
What are you smoking? You think these two factions can agree on anything? Why, because they are all Arabs??

For sure, one side will think they got the short end, probably the side that gets less of the oil fields. Then, count on a long and bloody civil war. Thousands will die; bet the ranch on that one.
 
phrodeau said:
Not likely. Each sect is strong enough to hold their own. They'd probably split into separate states, then eventually realize that they're stronger as a unit and band together.
That's got to be the dumbest God damned post ever.

When God was handing out brains you had your head so far up your ass your parents called you Cheshire Cat.
 
Lovelynice said:
are you sure that you haven't just been repeating the same wartime propaganda that was shoved down your grandparents throats?

It sounds to me like a lot of people here have no real idea of what the Germans were fighting for. they just know the old wartime propaganda of the Allies and have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
So besides killing Jews, what were the Germans fighting for?? or maybe the answer is, killing jews.... :rolleyes:
 
phrodeau said:
Not likely. Each sect is strong enough to hold their own. They'd probably split into separate states, then eventually realize that they're stronger as a unit and band together.

lol...the eventually realizing that they would be stronger as a unit is the stickler in that part of the world. Even realizing it would behoove them not to be at constant war is a missing part of the puzzle...My fear is that what WE have done in the Iraq War is make it more likely that many of the terroristic sects will recognize these things and continue to grow in numbers and strength against the West. I think that development is well underway actually and that we have profoundly supported and promoted it by our actions in the ME.

Then again...such strategy will, probably, in the end, rationalize our wiping out of the ME for many...and the oil fields will belong to a new generation of terrorists....chillingly.
 
Lovelynice said:
are you sure that you haven't just been repeating the same wartime propaganda that was shoved down your grandparents throats?

It sounds to me like a lot of people here have no real idea of what the Germans were fighting for. they just know the old wartime propaganda of the Allies and have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.

Lebensraum!

So you're saying that Nazi Germany wasn't trying to take over all of Europe and Asia and they weren't actually engaging in mass exterminations to do so?

Fuck, I forgot who I was talking to. There is probably some grand conspiracy, likely instigated by the Jews, against those nice peaceful Nazis. :rolleyes:
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
Lebensraum!

So you're saying that Nazi Germany wasn't trying to take over all of Europe and Asia and they weren't actually engaging in mass exterminations to do so?

Fuck, I forgot who I was talking to. There is probably some grand conspiracy, likely instigated by the Jews, against those nice peaceful Nazis. :rolleyes:
I agree, six million jews killed themselves to get at those good- hearted Germans....
 
Faneros said:
What are you smoking? You think these two factions can agree on anything? Why, because they are all Arabs??

For sure, one side will think they got the short end, probably the side that gets less of the oil fields. Then, count on a long and bloody civil war. Thousands will die; bet the ranch on that one.
If the sects of Islam wanted civil wars, they would have started them long ago.
 
See, there's the trouble with military meddling in the middle East. Nobody understands the people there and why they'd fight.
 
phrodeau said:
See, there's the trouble with military meddling in the middle East. Nobody understands the people there and why they'd fight.

Well...TELL us then. :)
 
HEY....this ID is different than Cade Is Here

It's that Cade_Is_here one again....using all Cades sig and board id stuff....wow...ya gotta look at the POST COUNTS too. DAMN! It's fooling ME.

This is lame...but pretty smart if you are trying to make someone look bad or "different" than they are!

Not a nice thing! :mad:
 
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