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Cliff notes version of the Bush "Plan for Victory"

zipman said:
First off I couldn't possibly disagree more as to the importance of when they are given. The idea of a plan is to clearly define what you are going to do. You may need to change the plan but you actually have one that spells out things like milestones and metrics for measuring how successful you are. ...
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I completely agree with you. The cost of war in lives and money clearly demands that you go into it with a well thought out plan with goals and objectives, and how to achieve them. It provides a basis for how to handle things when they don't go as planned as well. Even athletic teams understand this simple concept of preparation. Clearly, the Bush Administration had no plan to deal with Iraq after Saddam was removed. They only had a plan to make it to half-time. Now all we have is the cheerleaders shouting "Stay The Course", etc. We're paying a heavy price for that now as well.
 
We're still waiting for Kerry's position de jour and Bush's answer to his request for a list of "success" dates...
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
We're still waiting for Kerry's position de jour and Bush's answer to his request for a list of "success" dates...
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That's what I call real leadership!
 
We know. We also know that since you adopted that as the standard for leadership your party started losing elections...
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
We know. We also know that since you adopted that as the standard for leadership your party started losing elections...
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Ah, yeah. History. Lessons learned and forgotten. In less than 10 years even!

Your future is very bright, dude. :)
 
So, you're in the wing of the party opposed to Leiberman and Clinton, the Centrists.

I think you need to think before you guys go all McGovern or Dukakis again. It will be a huge mistake if we do, indeed, examine history. Your last winner was the guy who ran to the center at election time.

It's election time Pookie!
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
So, you're in the wing of the party opposed to Leiberman and Clinton, the Centrists. ...
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Can you quote me where I said that? Why do you need to continually put words in peoples mouths, AJ? Is your argument and positions that weak?
 
Well, I am sorry, I didn't realize you were behind what Bush is doing and "Staying the Course..."

My apologies.
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Well, I am sorry, I didn't realize you were behind what Bush is doing and "Staying the Course..."

My apologies.
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I'm not. But what I asked you is where did I say I was in "the wing of the party opposed to Leiberman and Clinton, the Centrists"? Can't people in the same "wing" be opposed to individual ideas and positions? Do we have to march completely in step, or something? Or is this just your attempt to slam people because you have nothing else to offer? Your act is growing very old and predictable, if it is one.
 
Pookie said:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/POLITICS/11/30/iraq.poll/story.vert.copter.ap.jpg
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We were going to go in, remove Saddam, install a Democracy, and withdraw, that was the course.

So far,
Objective one was achieved in good time.
Democracy installed.
Allies able to stand down.
We've been told after the elections, we will begin standing down.

Gas is down.
The Arab Street didn't arise en masse.
We've been nailing some top people in Iraq and are two weeks away from yet another election; the enemies of the Nation of Iraq are beginning to suffer greatly and have reduced their activities. For example, the storming of Ramalli, Ramadi, whatever yesterday was hysterically funny as the insurgents try to pretend they can effect or affect anything other than Democrats.
 
Pookie, I say you are in that wing precisely because of shit like the above post and having had extended conversations with you.

You LOVE to call me a Republican and insinuate I lie when I say I am a Libertarian so allow me my latitude too please!
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Pookie, I say you are in that wing precisely because of shit like the above post and having had extended conversations with you.
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And, of course, this summation of me is coming from someone who believes things have been going peachy in Iraq for years now. Heh.

Cap’n AMatrixca said:
You LOVE to call me a Republican and insinuate I lie when I say I am a Libertarian so allow me my latitude too please!
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I don't, nor have I ever, claimed you "lie" when you say you're a Libertarian. I think you honestly believe you are one. That alone doesn't make you one though. I call them as I see them, not as a means to slam people. There's nothing inherently wrong with being a Republican, or a Democrat for that matter. I've been called both (and many other things) since I've been here. I don't believe one position defines someone's political identity. But by all means, do carry on with your latitude. :)
 
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Pookie said:
I completely agree with you. The cost of war in lives and money clearly demands that you go into it with a well thought out plan with goals and objectives, and how to achieve them. It provides a basis for how to handle things when they don't go as planned as well. Even athletic teams understand this simple concept of preparation. Clearly, the Bush Administration had no plan to deal with Iraq after Saddam was removed. They only had a plan to make it to half-time. Now all we have is the cheerleaders shouting "Stay The Course", etc. We're paying a heavy price for that now as well.
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The majority of democrats favor "Staying the Course" if that means keeping the troops there until specific objectives are met. The problem is that those objectives haven't been identified.

Democrats are not in favor of "Staying the Course" if it means continuing to conduct the rebuilding of Iraq without any plan or metrics.

That is what gets more troops killed.
 
zipman said:
The majority of democrats favor "Staying the Course" if that means keeping the troops there until specific objectives are met. The problem is that those objectives haven't been identified.

Democrats are not in favor of "Staying the Course" if it means continuing to conduct the rebuilding of Iraq without any plan or metrics.

That is what gets more troops killed.
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I agree. I think we should have a well-defined course and stick to it as best we can. What we have with Bush is a fancy book cover with few, if any, pages.
 
Top Ten New President Bush Strategies For Victory in Iraq...

10. Make an even larger 'Mission Accomplished' sign

9. Encourage Iraqis to settle their feud like Dave and Oprah

8. Put that go-getter Michael Brown in charge

7. Launch slogan, 'It's not Iraq, it's Weraq'

6. Just do whatever he did when he captured Osama

5. A little more vacation time at the ranch to clear his head

4. Pack on a quick 30 pounds and trade places with Jeb

3. Wait, you mean it ain't going well?

2. Boost morale by doing his hilarious 'Locked Door' gag

1. Place Saddam back in power and tell him, 'It's your problem now, dude'

---Late Show with David Letterman

:)
 
Pookie said:
Top Ten New President Bush Strategies For Victory in Iraq...

10. Make an even larger 'Mission Accomplished' sign

9. Encourage Iraqis to settle their feud like Dave and Oprah

8. Put that go-getter Michael Brown in charge

7. Launch slogan, 'It's not Iraq, it's Weraq'

6. Just do whatever he did when he captured Osama

5. A little more vacation time at the ranch to clear his head

4. Pack on a quick 30 pounds and trade places with Jeb

3. Wait, you mean it ain't going well?

2. Boost morale by doing his hilarious 'Locked Door' gag

1. Place Saddam back in power and tell him, 'It's your problem now, dude'

---Late Show with David Letterman

:)
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Bwahahahaha! That is hysterical. :D
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
We were going to go in, remove Saddam, install a Democracy, and withdraw, that was the course.

So far,
Objective one was achieved in good time.
Democracy installed.
Allies able to stand down.
We've been told after the elections, we will begin standing down.

Gas is down.
The Arab Street didn't arise en masse.
We've been nailing some top people in Iraq and are two weeks away from yet another election; the enemies of the Nation of Iraq are beginning to suffer greatly and have reduced their activities. For example, the storming of Ramalli, Ramadi, whatever yesterday was hysterically funny as the insurgents try to pretend they can effect or affect anything other than Democrats.
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Gas is down? WTF.

Can you remember back twenty months? $1.70/gallon was a record high in March 2003.
 
JazzManJim said:
We've already won. We beat the Iraqi army and we beat the terrorists every single time we face them. The fact is that al-Qaeda and the Baathist leftovers driving car bombs into kids can't win what they really want - control of the country - unless we decide that we didn't really win and high-tail it out of there. That's why they're doing what they're doing. They can't undo the two successful elections Iraq has already held. They can't erase the Constitution that's in place. All they can do is keep up the terror and pray that we bail out on an Iraqi government that can't quite stand on its own yet.
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Once again you falsely assume that Al Qaeda had a presence in Iraq prior to the invasion. It's hard to speak logically and try to point by point answer your posts when you throw something so disproven as this into the mix.

Our invasion and the fact we did not use enough troops to secure the borders allowed insurgents and terrorist to enter into Iraq and make this a central point for terrorist activities.
 
phrodeau said:
Gas is down? WTF.

Can you remember back twenty months? $1.70/gallon was a record high in March 2003.
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The bubble burst. I remember back when $5 provided a six-pak aqd enough gasoline to cruise the ChevyII up and down the main drag until the cops began clearing us out at 1AM before the drunks began rolling out of the bars...

But gas is never going back to that price.

And yesterday's economic numbers were gang-busters, re-affirming once again Jack Kennedy's contention that lowering taxes stimulates an economy and a rising tide lifts all boats. See, I remember when Democrats used to be all about the people and about pleasing the rich like Soros and the Hollywood, San Fran and New York Left.

So what's left in the arsenal Hobbit-brain?
 
lavender said:
Once again you falsely assume that Al Qaeda had a presence in Iraq prior to the invasion. It's hard to speak logically and try to point by point answer your posts when you throw something so disproven as this into the mix.

Our invasion and the fact we did not use enough troops to secure the borders allowed insurgents and terrorist to enter into Iraq and make this a central point for terrorist activities.
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Al Qaeda is not a cohesive and organized organization like a syndicate family but merely a loose association of "types" of thugs with differing motives and goals but a good sense of oportunism and did you see the Pakis killed yet another top leader as Al Qaeda is being soundly trounced on several battle fields which is why they are running off to Africa and Gaza? I note that attacks and casualties, according to the same newscasts that brought the devastating economic news to the Democrats that the frequency of attacks is down in Iraq...

We're winning.

Democrats can't stand that and can't admit it and can't turn to kitchen-table issues.

Hell, when given the chance, your politicians won't even walk the walk. All they do is talk the talk...

'Cept one lone Marine who is brave enough to actually say what his constituency thinks. He's a helluva lot braver than that coward you consider to be the next president of the United States, Hillary Clinton.

Him, I can respect.
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
We were going to go in, remove Saddam, install a Democracy, and withdraw, that was the course.

So far,
Objective one was achieved in good time.
Democracy installed.
Allies able to stand down.
We've been told after the elections, we will begin standing down.

Gas is down.
The Arab Street didn't arise en masse.
We've been nailing some top people in Iraq and are two weeks away from yet another election; the enemies of the Nation of Iraq are beginning to suffer greatly and have reduced their activities. For example, the storming of Ramalli, Ramadi, whatever yesterday was hysterically funny as the insurgents try to pretend they can effect or affect anything other than Democrats.
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What planet do you live on.

Yesterday 10 good americans were blown to smithereens. I dont think the Insurgents are pretending at all motherfucker.

Democracy installed? Hells bells theres no such thing as democracy anymore. And its certainly not happening in that shithole.

Its plainly obvious that you are just a retard because besides you, John Warner, and Bush theres like six other people on the planet that believe what you do.


You Neo Cons are seriously out of touch with reality.
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
We're winning.
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Nobodys winning you asshole, and once you NeoCons realize we are all on the same team then maybe we could do some good.

I thought Bush was a Uniter not a Divider.

lol
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
The bubble burst. I remember back when $5 provided a six-pak aqd enough gasoline to cruise the ChevyII up and down the main drag until the cops began clearing us out at 1AM before the drunks began rolling out of the bars...

But gas is never going back to that price.

And yesterday's economic numbers were gang-busters, re-affirming once again Jack Kennedy's contention that lowering taxes stimulates an economy and a rising tide lifts all boats. See, I remember when Democrats used to be all about the people and about pleasing the rich like Soros and the Hollywood, San Fran and New York Left.

So what's left in the arsenal Hobbit-brain?
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In the late 70's gasoline hovered around $1.75 a gallon. Adjusted for inflation that would be just over $5.25/gallon in 2005 dollars. :)

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
In the late 70's gasoline hovered around $1.75 a gallon. Adjusted for inflation that would be just over $5.25/gallon in 2005 dollars. :)

Ishmael
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Maybe they dont adjust it like that because they would be ashamed to post the first Trillion dollar profit for a company in one year.

I notice gas is down to about 2 bux a gallon.

Do these manipulative fools think they are fooling anyone?
 
They are fucked all around.

In poll after fucking precious poll, the Iraqis clearly believe they've "won."


Childish, like most of the "highly" evolved tactics of the Democrat playbook.

Look, eight days ago, you guys had the opportunity to stand up to Bush and you cowered before your constituency and went, once again, right along with him, becoming a de-facto, "ME TOO" Neo-Con as you so love to put it.
 
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