Fucking monkeys!

BlackShanglan said:
And I love you :) But wait until you get to the actual question closer to the bottom of thread ... if you admire nerds, this should probably lead you to recognize me as your god.

Having read your entire question, I must now erect a statue to you. :D
 
Equinoxe said:
I am not a primatologist, nor am I particularly well acquainted with New World primates (or for that matter Old World ones). Having said that, I have endeavoured to research the issue and provide some help.

According to the information that I can find, leontopithecus chrysopygus has never been known to live outside of Brazil and wasn't registered taxonomically until 1823 by Mikan. Likewise, as near as I can tell the historic distribution of callimico goeldii was never into Guyana and it was registered in 1904 by Thomas. Of course, the time frame of the story predates the Linnaean taxonomical system, which has potential mitigating effects upon the specificity of the creatures. The biological sciences were not quite what one sees today, or even one hundred years later, in 1660. As for someone in the 17th century not knowing the difference between leontopithecus chrysopygus and saguinus midas, it seems possible.

One of the problems with South America as a historical setting is that huge parts of it were never really examined until the 20th century; there are still parts of it which haven't seen human beings (or at least, modern scientists). It's entirely possible, even probable, that no one in that time frame would be remotely acquainted with any of the species we know now.


Many thanks for the information! I don't suppose that you could shoot me a PM with the source for the dates of species identification? It might have more that's useful. (Unless it's Hershkovitz - he's already on order.)

The lack of specificity in identification that you mention is the core issue here. I'm trying to identify a creature that the author calls a "cusharee" (also spelled "cousharie") and which he describes as being smaller than a marmoset, black, and shaped "precisely" like a lion. Back when I was foolish enough to embark on this project, I thought that I had a simple answer becasue I knew that lion tamarins lived in South America and that they looked like small lions and could be black. However, trying to get to grips with the difference in historical ranges has been very complicated. For instance, the author mentions marmosets, but no species of marmoset is currently native to Surinam/Dutch Guyana or anywhere close to it. In some ways this is helpful - it seems to indicate that very wide species displacement has occurred followng colonization and industrialisation, and that therefore other species might also have once been native to the area (like some of the more likely suspects for the black lion ID). On the other hand, it renders so much of it guesswork that I'm beginning to think that it might not be possible to get a definitive answer. I also have a horrible feeling that if I think about this for too long, I will next be researching the history of industrialization and loss of wet and dry tropical forest habitat in Surinam from 1660 to the mid-1800's in an attempt to figure out if and when it might have been home to other species.

I think this might require some kind of intervention :(

Shanglan
 
OhMissScarlett said:
Monkeyworld, lmao!

eek, that's too much like Planet Of The Apes.

:eek: ;)

BlackShanglan said:
What inexpressible joy to know that there *is* a Monkeyworld. And probably a Santa Claus.


Damn. I need to go stake out Monkeyworld - "World's Largest Captive Population of Primatologists!" Seriously, I will keep them in mind because I think that this trail is rapidly leading toward professional consultation.

Shanglan

:D

Monkeyworld

It's not all make believe. ;)

Shang, you never fail to impress me with the lengths you go to for research, in the name of writing. I'd never even think to consider researching like you do. Sorry I'm not much help, but glad to have raised a smile. ;)


pop_54 said:
I've spanked a few :) and I live nowhere near Monkeyworld :D

Hahahahaaaaaa!!! :D
 
AppleBiter said:
Having read your entire question, I must now erect a statue to you. :D
No! I won't STAND for that!


There'll be no fucking monkey erections around here!




Quick! bring me a chair.
 
BlackShanglan said:
Many thanks for the information! I don't suppose that you could shoot me a PM with the source for the dates of species identification? It might have more that's useful. (Unless it's Hershkovitz - he's already on order.)

You're very welcome.

I shall send a PM with several sources that I found.

The lack of specificity in identification that you mention is the core issue here. I'm trying to identify a creature that the author calls a "cusharee" (also spelled "cousharie") and which he describes as being smaller than a marmoset, black, and shaped "precisely" like a lion. Back when I was foolish enough to embark on this project, I thought that I had a simple answer becasue I knew that lion tamarins lived in South America and that they looked like small lions and could be black. However, trying to get to grips with the difference in historical ranges has been very complicated. For instance, the author mentions marmosets, but no species of marmoset is currently native to Surinam/Dutch Guyana or anywhere close to it. In some ways this is helpful - it seems to indicate that very wide species displacement has occurred followng colonization and industrialisation, and that therefore other species might also have once been native to the area (like some of the more likely suspects for the black lion ID). On the other hand, it renders so much of it guesswork that I'm beginning to think that it might not be possible to get a definitive answer. I also have a horrible feeling that if I think about this for too long, I will next be researching the history of industrialization and loss of wet and dry tropical forest habitat in Surinam from 1660 to the mid-1800's in an attempt to figure out if and when it might have been home to other species.

I think this might require some kind of intervention :(

Shanglan

Yes, I do understand that idea, it's one of the reasons I often prefer to write literature that is decidely less "real" in that respect. I adore the historical aspect, but I usually got lost in researching all the minutia that I so enjoy that I have no time for writing. Unfortunately, I'm not sure where to go with this particular issue either, it's quite complicated and the information isn't readily available -- certainly not with any specificity.
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
No! I won't STAND for that!


There'll be no fucking monkey erections around here!




Quick! bring me a chair.

I gotta agree with you, Burle.....fucking monkey erections anyway. Besides, they're dirty and they don't know where I've been....er....I don't know where they've been. Yeah, that's what I meant.

Fucking Monkeys.
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
No! I won't STAND for that!


There'll be no fucking monkey erections around here!




Quick! bring me a chair.
*snicker*
god, youre a loon. i prespire to be you when i grow up.
 
Shang, you never fail to impress me with the lengths you go to for research, in the name of writing. I'd never even think to consider researching like you do. Sorry I'm not much help, but glad to have raised a smile. ;)

Well, to be fair, this is more on the "work" end of things than the creative writing end. Still, it has become extremely interesting, and I can now do a passable imitation of a specialist in Callithricidae as a party trick. Plus there's the fact that lion tamarins are just damned cute. Brazil has evidently (very wisely) made the golden lion tamarin the flagship species of their conservation efforts; petty much no one is willing to admit to wanting the adorable golden chirping playing social silky little monkeys to all die. They're a bit easier to rally around than the fruit crow.

rhinoguy said:
too lazy to read the whole thread.

The title was enough to inspire a drawing based on the Wicked Witch of the West's famous Flying-Fucking Monkeys...who do her bidding.

BTW that's a FLYING-fucking monkey..so anything to do with him/them is not Beastiallity it's FANTASY/Sci-fi :rolleyes:

Damnit, don't MAKE me go hunt up a genus and species for that bugger. Enough is enough.

(But it definitely looks like an Old World monkey to me, what with the pronounced septal ridge and ... stop me!)

Shanglan
 
rhinoguy said:
too lazy to read the whole thread. . . . enough to inspire a drawing based on the Wicked Witch of the West's famous Flying-Fucking Monkeys... :rolleyes:
Someday, rhinoguy, a misguided little girl is going to park her house right on your head! :D
 
rhinoguy said:
not quite.

I am not that nearsighted. Wuz requesting a nearsighted woman to sit on my face..not just any ol' bitch or pussy.

I'm nearsighted . . . *nudge nudge wink wink*
 
I have examined the transcript of that press conference, and I believe The Rude Pundit has grossly distorted the event.

There is no way that there was a Squirrel Monkey involved. Without doubt, the victim was a California Kangaroo Rat.

Having Uncurious George share the spotlight with a Squirrel Monkey would unnecessarily risk having the Whare President intellectually outclassed.

And besides, Rat Fucking is an old Republican tradition.
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
And besides, Rat Fucking is an old Republican tradition.

No, no....those are fucking rats when in referance to Republicans. That reminds me, I should call my brother....
 
The_Darkness said:
No, no....those are fucking rats when in referance to Republicans.....
You are missing my point about The Tradion of Republican Rat-Fucking.

Karl Rove began his career as an agent of Donald Segretti’s "ratfuckers" as he called his boys – "Nixon's dirty tricksters – operating through a phoney front group to discredit and denounce anybody visibly opposing the Nixon Administration at the height of the Watergate scandal.

Wikipedia said:
In 1970, as a protege of Donald Segretti (later convicted as a Watergate conspirator), Rove snuck into the campaign office of Illinois Democrat Alan Dixon and stole some letterhead, which he used to print fake campaign rally fliers promising "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing," and distributed them at rock concerts and homeless shelters. Rove admitted the incident years later, saying "I was nineteen and I got involved in a political prank."

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