Stupid Boomer (aka 'Well Regulated Militia') Thread

[Bray123]

What am I lying about?
I have uttered a single falsehood here. Every word I typed can be easily verified.

I would be glad to back up every single word. What would you need? Photos videos it a plane ticket?

Again you are incorrect on U.S. background checks. Are you familiar with the ATF Form 4473? It must be submitted for ever firearm purchase from a vendor. It receive a favorable background check before the purchase is completed. It also must be completed even at a gunshow, because the licensed vendors will loose their license and be protected if they do not. It is a federal procedure and any attempt to deceive agents reviewing this form is a federal offense. A felony.

Guns are not the problem, it is the person using it.

It's like saying dicks cause rape.

People are the problem. So give problem people firearms.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What am I lying about?
I have uttered a single falsehood here. Every word I typed can be easily verified.

I would be glad to back up every single word. What would you need? Photos videos it a plane ticket?

Again you are incorrect on U.S. background checks. Are you familiar with the ATF Form 4473? It must be submitted for ever firearm purchase from a vendor. It receive a favorable background check before the purchase is completed. It also must be completed even at a gunshow, because the licensed vendors will loose their license and be protected if they do not. It is a federal procedure and any attempt to deceive agents reviewing this form is a federal offense. A felony.

Guns are not the problem, it is the person using it.

It's like saying dicks cause rape.

Background checks are not required for all purchases and to the extent that they are it is impossible to enforce in a meaningful way so there is that.

Please do back up just your claim on Switzerland and their massive handgun collections. If you're gonna tell me about rifles you're being intensely dishonest since we have the crime stats. The overwhelming majority of murders are done by handgun so I don't really give a shit if every man woman and child has access to a .50 cal rifle with a laser scope. They are not the problem.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Background checks are not required for all purchases and to the extent that they are it is impossible to enforce in a meaningful way so there is that.

Please do back up just your claim on Switzerland and their massive handgun collections. If you're gonna tell me about rifles you're being intensely dishonest since we have the crime stats. The overwhelming majority of murders are done by handgun so I don't really give a shit if every man woman and child has access to a .50 cal rifle with a laser scope. They are not the problem.

Any firearm purchased through an FFL dealer requires a background check. Period. There is no exception to that law. Private sales, neighbor to neighbor, family member to family member, etc., do not require background check. Your broad stroke propaganda makes you look foolish or ignorant or both.

 

[LeeKee]

People are the problem. So give problem people firearms.

Nope. Never suggested it or insinuated that. Ibstated mature, responsible, balanced people. I personally would advocate for courses like one i had to go through to hunt. It didn't center around firearms, however, if you were not of at a certain level of intellect you were not going to pass and therefore would not have a reason to own a firearm. Yes, it weeded people out. Most crimes are committed by illegaly obtained firearms and by members of society with less integrity.

Compounding this is the glorification of violence seen by impressionable people and replicated. Either from violent games, movies, or feeding from witnessed violence with communities. Where this would be wanted to be replicated lies within the individuals ability to know right and wrong. This is why I stated the issue is societal. There are many contributing factors, but it boils down to this.

I conclude commenting on this any further. Some people get angry and turn ugly. Food thing they are anti gun, but seem to wish lot of death on people. It's strange. Maybe something to do about what i stated about balance and overall mental stability.

 

[Bray123]

Nope. Never suggested it or insinuated that. Ibstated mature, responsible, balanced people. I personally would advocate for courses like one i had to go through to hunt. It didn't center around firearms, however, if you were not of at a certain level of intellect you were not going to pass and therefore would not have a reason to own a firearm. Yes, it weeded people out. Most crimes are committed by illegaly obtained firearms and by members of society with less integrity.

Compounding this is the glorification of violence seen by impressionable people and replicated. Either from violent games, movies, or feeding from witnessed violence with communities. Where this would be wanted to be replicated lies within the individuals ability to know right and wrong. This is why I stated the issue is societal. There are many contributing factors, but it boils down to this.

I conclude commenting on this any further. Some people get angry and turn ugly. Food thing they are anti gun, but seem to wish lot of death on people. It's strange. Maybe something to do about what i stated about balance and overall mental stability.

Great. You want mental health checks for everyone before they are allowed access to firearms. We can all support that policy.

Or was it empty words?

 

[LeeKee]

Great. You want mental health checks for everyone before they are allowed access to firearms. We can all support that policy.

Or was it empty words?

it would certainly help, it seems.
It seems we can agree that firearm ownership isn't for everyone.

 

[LeeKee]

Great. You want mental health checks for everyone before they are allowed access to firearms. We can all support that policy.

Or was it empty words?

One last thing. After the rigorous class and exams, and an FBI background check, for each purchase of a firearm I had to have a high ranking officer, commander or supervisor complete a statement of reliability for me and submit with all of my licenses. Plus proof of insurance and what type of safe I am storing them inside. So, it's not impossible, but would stand to say it weeds out lot of people not willing to submit to scrutiny and a lot more in place than what the US has in place. Background checks do exist but maybe modle it after the German system would be step to improvement. OK. I'll stop there.

 

[Bray123]

it would certainly help, it seems.
It seems we can agree that firearm ownership isn't for everyone.

We should start a campaign: Everyone wanting to purchase or otherwise possess a gun must attach a sanity certificate from a health professional to the paperwork.

 

[Bray123]

One last thing. After the rigorous class and exams, and an FBI background check, for each purchase of a firearm I had to have a high ranking officer, commander or supervisor complete a statement of reliability for me and submit with all of my licenses. Plus proof of insurance and what type of safe I am storing them inside. So, it's not impossible, but would stand to say it weeds out lot of people not willing to submit to scrutiny and a lot more in place than what the US has in place. Background checks do exist but maybe modle it after the German system would be step to improvement. OK. I'll stop there.

Fat chance of the US Gunpowder Belt supporting that. They'd vote for Hilary first.

 

[LeeKee]

We should start a campaign: Everyone wanting to purchase or otherwise possess a gun must attach a sanity certificate from a health professional to the paperwork.

have done this many times in the military.

 

[TastySuckToy]

We should start a campaign: Everyone wanting to purchase or otherwise possess a gun must attach a sanity certificate from a health professional to the paperwork.

Ya, except mental health assessment isn't a "good forever" state. So as soon as someone has a mental health breakdown and uses a gun in a bad way, people will go right back to blaming guns.

 

[ll74]

Ya, except mental health assessment isn't a "good forever" state. So as soon as someone has a mental health breakdown and uses a gun in a bad way, people will go right back to blaming guns.

People who are not able to be responsible with their guns, should not have guns.

 

[Bray123]

Ya, except mental health assessment isn't a "good forever" state. So as soon as someone has a mental health breakdown and uses a gun in a bad way, people will go right back to blaming guns.

That's a lame justification for allowing known unstable people to have guns.

 

[TastySuckToy]

That's a lame justification for allowing known unstable people to have guns.

So how do you stop a person from having mental issues later in life after they've passed previous checks?

 

[Bray123]

So how do you stop a person from having mental issues later in life after they've passed previous checks?

You start off with having them pass current checks. Are you content to have all applicants for firearms to have a recent mental health assessment?

 

[TastySuckToy]

You start off with having them pass current checks. Are you content to have all applicants for firearms to have a recent mental health assessment?

Only if we apply that same standard to all dangerous technologies and substances, like vehicles, gasoline, knives, bats, matches, etc.

If someone can buy gasoline and matches without a mental health check, despite fire being a weapon of mass destruction, I'm not worried about things like guns.

 

[Bray123]

Only if we apply that same standard to all dangerous technologies and substances, like vehicles, gasoline, knives, bats, matches, etc.

If someone can buy gasoline and matches without a mental health check, despite fire being a weapon of mass destruction, I'm not worried about things like guns.

So, empty words about mental health checks.

What a non-surprise. Give unstable people gunz!

 

[TastySuckToy]

So, empty words about mental health checks.

What a non-surprise. Give unstable people gunz!

Why aren't you in favour of mental health checks for people who want tools for fire? You're fine giving unstable people access to fire, a weapon of mass destruction?

 

[Bray123]

Why aren't you in favour of mental health checks for people who want tools for fire? You're fine giving unstable people access to fire, a weapon of mass destruction?

Lame argument put forward by apologists for ammosexuals.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Lame argument put forward by apologists for ammosexuals.

So you have no logical response on why we should allow people access to weapons of mass destruction without mental health checks.

 

[Bray123]

So you have no logical response on why we should allow people access to weapons of mass destruction without mental health checks.

I would absolutely do that.

Unfortunately you cannot define what a weapon of mass destruction is. You include common tools and possessions because it may be possible for a trained person to theoretically use them for nefarious purpose although it's never happened. Whereas people have on many occasions purchased firearms for the purpose of killing people and then gone on to do that. Guns after all were invented for the express purpose of killing people.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I would absolutely do that.

Unfortunately you cannot define what a weapon of mass destruction is.

I just did. Fire is a weapon of mass destruction.

You include common tools and possessions because it may be possible for a trained person to theoretically use them for nefarious purpose although it's never happened.

No one has ever used fire for nefarious purposes, and you think it requires a trained person.

Ok, you're delusional, I get it. I withdraw any attempts at reasonable discussion with you.

 

[Bn2f]

 

[RobDownSouth]

So how do you stop a person from having mental issues later in life after they've passed previous checks?

Periodic re-registration.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

One last thing. After the rigorous class and exams, and an FBI background check, for each purchase of a firearm I had to have a high ranking officer, commander or supervisor complete a statement of reliability for me and submit with all of my licenses. Plus proof of insurance and what type of safe I am storing them inside. So, it's not impossible, but would stand to say it weeds out lot of people not willing to submit to scrutiny and a lot more in place than what the US has in place. Background checks do exist but maybe modle it after the German system would be step to improvement. OK. I'll stop there.

Make the gun community self-policing. If you own a firearm, it must be stored securely at a registered gun club. You can check your weapon out for harmless purposes like hunting or target shooting, but it' s a felony to keep it out for more than a few days.

If a gun is used to commit a crime, the gun club can be sued for damages. In egregious cases, the club's license may be revoked, and the other members will have to find a new place to store their firearms.