Is Trump fit for a second term?

[HisArpy]

If Trump did not commit an insurrection, than neither did Danial Shays, and neither did Jefferson Davis and the Confederacy. And neither the Unabomber, Dzoker Tsarnaev, nor Tim McVeigh did anything wrong (And maybe the one surviving member of those three should become president, maybe?)

Dude... come on. Get a grip. Why are we even debating this??

The problem you have here is a lack of proof of what you claim is fact. Instead, what you have is bullshit masquerading as biased opinion.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

what you have is bullshit masquerading as biased opinion.

You should know carbon water boy, you're the resident expert!

 

[PaxNurgle]

The problem you have here is a lack of proof of what you claim is fact. Instead, what you have is bullshit masquerading as biased opinion.

What the fuck "LACK OF PROOF?!?" Do you need??? That's not "Biased opinion," Trump fucking committed treason! It's an open and shut case. He and his followers stormed the capitol and tried to overturn the results of an election and have himself declared president! That shit may fly in Haiti, but this is America and America ain't fucking Haiti!

It's like saying Hamas didn't really massacre hundreds of Israelis on Oct 7; I mean I wasn't there, I didn't see it happen, so maybe those were really Democrats, and Joe Biden, who stormed in and massacred those Israelis at the music festival? How is that for an "opinion?" Because, I wouldn't put it past you to actually claim something like this is true!

 

[HisArpy]

What the fuck "LACK OF PROOF?!?" Do you need??? That's not "Biased opinion," Trump fucking committed treason! It's an open and shut case. He and his followers stormed the capitol and tried to overturn the results of an election and have himself declared president! That shit may fly in Haiti, but this is America and America ain't fucking Haiti!

It's like saying Hamas didn't really massacre hundreds of Israelis on Oct 7; I mean I wasn't there, I didn't see it happen, so maybe those were really Democrats, and Joe Biden, who stormed in and massacred those Israelis at the music festival? How is that for an "opinion?" Because, I wouldn't put it past you to actually claim something like this is true!

Show me the PROOF that Trump committed insurrection. NOT your or someone else's "opinion" - I WANT PROOF.

 

[Rightguide]

Show me the PROOF that Trump committed insurrection. NOT your or someone else's "opinion" - I WANT PROOF.

Note the great silence.

 

[dmallord]

NRA Speech by Donald Trump

"Former President Donald Trump addressed a crowd of NRA members at the organization’s Great American Outdoor Show in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Trump told the MAGA faithful, “no one will lay a finger on your firearms,” and touted his plan for mass deportation of immigrants. He said that, if re-elected, he would “within moments” of taking office, employ what he has repeatedly called “the largest domestic deportation operation in history.”

"[Note: Trump has cited, since he first ran in 2015, Eisenhower’s 1954 mass deportation program — controversially nicknamed Operation Wetback — as a model of success. The military-style operation involved massive sweeps of immigrants and legal residents most notably in Mexican American communities in California and is said to have resulted in the deportation — or “repatriation” — of between 300,000 and 1.3 million migrants.]

"Trump’s current promise to remove 500,000 to 1 million migrants a year would require at scale approximately 150-200k law enforcement officers, including a “private army of red state national guard he’d deploy into blue states,” according to The Atlantic writer Ronald Brownstein. (Many undocumented immigrants gravitate toward blue state big cities including New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago.)"

 

[dmallord]

Note the great silence.

Proof - merely look at his actions and the circumstances around those actions. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, presumably, it is a duck.

Donald 'Insurrection" Trump's actions fomented an insurrection; he pointed them toward Congress to fight like hell, organized fake elector schemes to overthrow the legal processes, and failed to promptly order protection for Congress during the insurrection acts by armed militiamen. Congress concluded he did so in their hearings regarding the J6 Insurrection. The Duck spoke and falsely said it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi, he claimed in his own defense. Are his own words not good enough for you?

So, show me the proof that Trump claimed the election was stolen? He never produced one iota of documentation, did he? Said he would at his trials but failed to do so. Rudy lied just the same way, claiming he had evidence and knowing he lied through his teeth.

So, Rightguide, do you have any proof that the 2020 election was stolen or even a hint? Crickets for months upon months. That's about right, correct?

 

[Lazaran]

Donald 'Insurrection" Trump's actions fomented an insurrection; he pointed them toward Congress to fight like hell, organized fake elector schemes to overthrow the legal processes, and failed to promptly order protection for Congress during the insurrection acts by armed militiamen.

The corrupt orange traitor also failed to inform / withheld information from the Capitol Police and the National Park service about the PLANNED march on the Capitol on J6:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/organ...formation-changed-security/story?id=105747804

“The organizers of the rally that preceded the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S Capitol actively concealed information from the National Park Service that would have materially changed the security plans at the event, according to a new report from the Office of Inspector General for the U.S. Interior Department.”

“The report found that the organizers from Women for America First failed to provide information about Trump's likely attendance at the rally and that they actively concealed information about the plans to follow the event with a march to the Capitol, despite a clear request for that information from the National Park Service.”



That ^ (along with all the other evidence), is a clear indication of a clandestine effort to overthrow the government and overturn the election.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Proof - merely look at his actions and the circumstances around those actions. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, presumably, it is a duck.

Donald 'Insurrection" Trump's actions fomented an insurrection; he pointed them toward Congress to fight like hell, organized fake elector schemes to overthrow the legal processes, and failed to promptly order protection for Congress during the insurrection acts by armed militiamen. Congress concluded he did so in their hearings regarding the J6 Insurrection. The Duck spoke and falsely said it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi, he claimed in his own defense. Are his own words not good enough for you?

So, show me the proof that Trump claimed the election was stolen? He never produced one iota of documentation, did he? Said he would at his trials but failed to do so. Rudy lied just the same way, claiming he had evidence and knowing he lied through his teeth.

So, Rightguide, do you have any proof that the 2020 election was stolen or even a hint? Crickets for months upon months. That's about right, correct?

Oh he tried....

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/so-no-voter-fraud-in-2020.1604456/

Failed as usual, but tried....

During the 2020 election did you cast a ballot where you're no longer a permanent resident. ( guess what, people move)

Actual question:
4. During the 2020 election, did a friend or family member fill out your ballot, in part or in full, on your behalf?


Actual question:

During the 2020 election did you fill out a ballot in part or in full on behalf of a freind or family member, such as a child or spouse.

NO fucking mention of permision in the question....

During the 2020 election did a friend or family member or organisation such as a political party offer to pay you a reward for voting. (Note this means by any form of voting, not just mail in, for those intellectually challenged people like wrongway.

Taken together this is a bunch of bullshit being sold as steak.....

 

[dmallord]

Fuzzy. Note: You are quoting poll/survey information - not evidence submitted to legal court proceedings. You know that, right? Trump had legal representation capable of presenting such evidence at trial but knew a poll was not evidence and thus could not present any significant errors in mail-in voting that impacted the elections. This has been noted repeatedly in every case and/or report generated about the matter.

There was no widespread fraud found. The investigators at the DOJ, by many legal experts on the matter, made that determination. Even Bill Barr, a Trump appointee, made that determination.

This is just a continued histrionics claim by Truman and rabid supporters.

 

[jaF0]

The Orangutan wants to serve for life. I say give it to him.

 

[dmallord]

Where's Nikki's husband? Why isn't he at her side? Where's her husband? Nowhere to be seen.

This were Truman's asinine remarks today in an attempt to smear Nikki Haley once again.

The answer: Her husband is on Active Duty Services with the military and is in Afaganastan.

Better question: Where is Trump's wife? Why isn't she at his side? The funeral is over. Not a peep from her or even a message on support. Nowhere to be seen.

 

[dmallord]

The Orangutan wants to serve for life. I say give it to him.

Please! Republicans may think your words mean President for Life not Imprisonment for life. They are likely to agree with you for the wrong interpretation and start raising those Trump flags again.

 

[Beachguy23]

I don’t think the lying narcissistic prick is qualified to run for anything other than king of a prison cell.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Fuzzy. Note: You are quoting poll/survey information - not evidence submitted to legal court proceedings. You know that, right? Trump had legal representation capable of presenting such evidence at trial but knew a poll was not evidence and thus could not present any significant errors in mail-in voting that impacted the elections. This has been noted repeatedly in every case and/or report generated about the matter.

There was no widespread fraud found. The investigators at the DOJ, by many legal experts on the matter, made that determination. Even Bill Barr, a Trump appointee, made that determination.

This is just a continued histrionics claim by Truman and rabid supporters.

Exactly I am quoting the actual Poll questions asked. Not the spin added to them by a Rightwing "news" organisation. Which is what wrongway is trying to sell.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Nate Silver posted wise words of advice for the Anti-Trumanites on X this morning:

“You don't demonstrate your seriousness that Trump is an existential threat to democracy by going through the motions to renominate an 81-year-old with a 38% approval rating who 75% of voters think is too old without giving anyone a choice because that's just how things are done.”

 

[jomar]

Lightyears more qualified [to be president] than Joe Biden.

Proof positive you’re drunk on MAGA-juiced BDS and not reality

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Proof positive you’re drunk on MAGA-juiced BDS and not reality

Maybe mixed in with a glass or two of carbon based water???

 

[HisArpy]

Proof - merely look at his actions and the circumstances around those actions. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, presumably, it is a duck.

Donald 'Insurrection" Trump's actions fomented an insurrection; he pointed them toward Congress to fight like hell, organized fake elector schemes to overthrow the legal processes, and failed to promptly order protection for Congress during the insurrection acts by armed militiamen. Congress concluded he did so in their hearings regarding the J6 Insurrection. The Duck spoke and falsely said it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi, he claimed in his own defense. Are his own words not good enough for you?

So, show me the proof that Trump claimed the election was stolen? He never produced one iota of documentation, did he? Said he would at his trials but failed to do so. Rudy lied just the same way, claiming he had evidence and knowing he lied through his teeth.

So, Rightguide, do you have any proof that the 2020 election was stolen or even a hint? Crickets for months upon months. That's about right, correct?

Again, nothing but opinion. You, like the rest of the (D)icklickers parse and cherry pick through the events of the day to find nuggets of shit as evidence he did wrong but you never seem to actually get to the point of providing the PROOF.

I'll even make it easy on you, where is the verdict? Where are the charges? Show us the headlines about conviction.

The lack of any of those is why you fail. And then fail again. And again.

 

[dmallord]

Again, nothing but opinion. You, like the rest of the (D)icklickers parse and cherry pick through the events of the day to find nuggets of shit as evidence he did wrong but you never seem to actually get to the point of providing the PROOF.

I'll even make it easy on you, where is the verdict? Where are the charges? Show us the headlines about conviction.

The lack of any of those is why you fail. And then fail again. And again.

I see you didn't answer my question about providing proof that the election was stolen. Where, HisArpy, is your proof of that one constant claim by Trump, Rudy, and the gang? You failed to cite those as evidentiary entries. You demand proof but fail to provide any of your own.

Cherry-picking to find nuggets of evidence that he did wrong? That's funny. There is an orchard of cherry trees with those nuggets: sexual assault conviction, fraud convictions, J6 Congressional findings, not to mention 91 counts pending against him still awaiting trial due to his appeals. I and others have cited those; you refuse them blindly, crying foul, or that's your opinion, or that's not evidence.

Your tycoon is a walking, shameful political cartoon. He isn't even a Republican - just a rhino running through a china shop, and you are holding the door open for him. Even 'Republicans' today are not real Republicans. They are laughing stock senators and congressmen/women who have lost the ability to make decisions - except to do Trump's bidding out of fear. Why? That is a real mystery, but then fear is a powerful adversary. Just ask anyone on the receiving end of Trump's rhetoric that leads to violent threats against their lives, like those ladies in Georgia counting the votes, for instance. By the way, they won their case against Rudy, another case of preponderance of evidence for you. Trump said the same things about them - so yeah, guilty by association, you would cry. It fits though.

Trump has no belief system, political or moral, except that whatever pops into his mind is truthful, even when it is blatantly false. As a lawyer, you would present that preponderance of evidence already cited in court; would you not and let the juror decide? Not being a lawyer, I don't have to present it. I'm just a juror in the court of public opinion. I know the preponderance of that evidence is highly indicative of his fatal moral flaws.

I'll make these easy for you. Believe he is not a good person, not from the standpoint of service to our country, services to the world at large, or even to his own family. Just yesterday, he told Putin to 'have at it,' take any country you want. How's that sound from a wannabe world leader again? The man is amoral, narcissistic, and a poor example of a human being. Go further than him as your choice; find another better human being to politically support.

It's okay to fail; you have fallen many times here in these threads. I've gone back to see your oratory. It's not a disgrace to stand up for something ... pick something that isn't as tainted as Donald Trump. It's not that hard.

 

[dmallord]

Nate Silver posted wise words of advice for the Anti-Trumanites on X this morning:

“You don't demonstrate your seriousness that Trump is an existential threat to democracy by going through the motions to renominate an 81-year-old with a 38% approval rating who 75% of voters think is too old without giving anyone a choice because that's just how things are done.”

And that makes Trump a better choice, I gather, is your point. The politics is what it is. It will come down to Biden vs. Trump. Of the two I'd take my chances on Mr. Biden. At least, I know where he stands; if he falls he has a backup person. Trump spues stuff about dictatorship, massive deportation, abandoning allies, and more batshit crazy stuff. I'm not buying his brand of government that plans retributions against the justice system the day he allegedly gets fairly elected. And so far no one on Trump's shortlist of VPs is any less crazy than he is.

 

[HisArpy]

I see you didn't answer my question about providing proof that the election was stolen. Where, HisArpy, is your proof of that one constant claim by Trump, Rudy, and the gang? You failed to cite those as evidentiary entries. You demand proof but fail to provide any of your own.

Cherry-picking to find nuggets of evidence that he did wrong? That's funny. There is an orchard of cherry trees with those nuggets: sexual assault conviction, fraud convictions, J6 Congressional findings, not to mention 91 counts pending against him still awaiting trial due to his appeals. I and others have cited those; you refuse them blindly, crying foul, or that's your opinion, or that's not evidence.

Your tycoon is a walking, shameful political cartoon. He isn't even a Republican - just a rhino running through a china shop, and you are holding the door open for him. Even 'Republicans' today are not real Republicans. They are laughing stock senators and congressmen/women who have lost the ability to make decisions - except to do Trump's bidding out of fear. Why? That is a real mystery, but then fear is a powerful adversary. Just ask anyone on the receiving end of Trump's rhetoric that leads to violent threats against their lives, like those ladies in Georgia counting the votes, for instance. By the way, they won their case against Rudy, another case of preponderance of evidence for you. Trump said the same things about them - so yeah, guilty by association, you would cry. It fits though.

Trump has no belief system, political or moral, except that whatever pops into his mind is truthful, even when it is blatantly false. As a lawyer, you would present that preponderance of evidence already cited in court; would you not and let the juror decide? Not being a lawyer, I don't have to present it. I'm just a juror in the court of public opinion. I know the preponderance of that evidence is highly indicative of his fatal moral flaws.

I'll make these easy for you. Believe he is not a good person, not from the standpoint of service to our country, services to the world at large, or even to his own family. Just yesterday, he told Putin to 'have at it,' take any country you want. How's that sound from a wannabe world leader again? The man is amoral, narcissistic, and a poor example of a human being. Go further than him as your choice; find another better human being to politically support.

It's okay to fail; you have fallen many times here in these threads. I've gone back to see your oratory. It's not a disgrace to stand up for something ... pick something that isn't as tainted as Donald Trump. It's not that hard.

Deflection about the allegedly "stolen election" isn't PROOF either.

It's like you're desperate or something.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think Donald Trump's cognitive abilities have declined to the point where I firmly believe his is unfit for office.

I am loathe to say anything positive about Nimrata "Nikki" Haley, but I believe it was a stroke of genius for her team to pass out the exact cognitive test that Trump claimed 98% of his supporters could not pass. It was so simplistic I honestly thing RightGuide could have passed it.

3 6 __ 12 15 18

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

And that makes Trump a better choice, I gather, is your point. The politics is what it is. It will come down to Biden vs. Trump. Of the two I'd take my chances on Mr. Biden. At least, I know where he stands; if he falls he has a backup person. Trump spues stuff about dictatorship, massive deportation, abandoning allies, and more batshit crazy stuff. I'm not buying his brand of government that plans retributions against the justice system the day he allegedly gets fairly elected. And so far no one on Trump's shortlist of VPs is any less crazy than he is.

While I do think Trump is the better choice, that wasn’t the point Nate Silver is making. He’s saying that those who claim Trump is a serious threat to America can’t be taken seriously when they renominate, without any debate, an 81 year old incumbent who Americans overwhelming disapprove of and who overwhelming believe he is too old and in cognitive decline.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nate Silver posted wise words of advice for the Anti-Trumanites on X this morning:

“You don't demonstrate your seriousness that Trump is an existential threat to democracy by going through the motions to renominate an 81-year-old with a 38% approval rating who 75% of voters think is too old without giving anyone a choice because that's just how things are done.”

Nate Silver is an accomplished election handicapper.
To properly "handicap" a horse race, though, you need a horse race.

The MSM wants a "neck-and-neck" story to hype the news.

The simple fact is that the Orange buffoon has a lock on 38-40% of the electorate and Independents are not going to turn out for Trump this election cycle.
Two percent fewer boomers in this election cycle.
Four percent more Gen-z voters
Trump. Is. Toast.