Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[Wat_Tyler]

They definitely can have their personalities and funny quirks.

No doubt. This one was defiant with me when I met him, like "who are you, human?" I sat with him one night while he was sick and kept my hand on him, and he relaxed his position. Then he got so he sought me out. After a few weeks, if I was out in the shop or the barn, he'd walk up behind me to see what I was doing. I have a video of him taking inventory of the contents of the back of my truck. That was the day that he hung out (with his buddy - they were all but inseparable) with me while I finished installing the wench on the car trailer.


The big Harley was too loud for him. He'd head off down pasture when it fired off.


Delightful soul, he.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Glad to see that we're scanned so closely.


Once upon a time,
we had empires ruled by emperors.
Then he had kingdoms rules by kings.
Today, we have countries . . . .

 

[Bn2f]

I found this back and forth exchange on another thread so interesting that I felt it was needed to be seen here on mine as well. Enjoy.

Funny how they (racist conservatives)
all have now migrated into Wat's thread. Safety in numbers?

Conservatives bitterly and viciously attacked peaceful civil rights demonstrators during the 1960s.

The nonviolent protesters were the progressives of that era. They wanted progress on civil rights right now.

Many conservatives in all of the political parties still resent that demand.
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Wat's threads consistently harbor the threat of violence. He repeatedly refers to unarmed people and people advocating for reasonable weapon control as "pussies". Recently he said such people would experience improved thinking if they were shot in the head.

John Lewis and other leaders of the nonviolent civil rights movement were courageous. They stood up to armed bullies in society and proved that lasting change can be achieved with large scale nonviolent movements.
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People hiding behind guns are often the most scared. That Wat and crew have no "balls" is not really up for debate.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

1 + 3 = 13


One of the interesting (and not in a conventional "interesting" way) is the binary view of politics and society in so very many observations and articles. Swear to Allah, I don't recall its being that divided 30 years ago. Whereas I find humans less trustworthy now more than ever, at least then I found the sense of society to be a bit more unified. I disagree with you but you're not some extreme characterization - then. Now, it's all horrible if it isn't lockstep with (what passes for) that person's thinking.


I discovered/observed several years ago that nothing is about good or bad, or right and wrong. It's about, does it work or does it not. And this shit is broken, badly, and has been for awhile. It's just that in all the din of bickering, no one is looking.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

https://thefederalist.com/2018/03/2...he-2nd-amendment-but-you-cant-repeal-history/

 

[Chobham]

Study the 1850's Wat. The pattern is obvious.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Well, yes. And we also had 4 poor-to-worse presidents in a row, including 1 who died of cirrhosis. Fifteen was the worst ever. "Trump was worst ever!!!" Not really. Fifteen lost 7 states in the last 2.5 months in office. Forty-five came in with 50 and left with 50.


If we had true leaders and true leadership, we might even convene some kind of convention to study some possibilities.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

In March, 1668, Adriaan Koerbagh, a Dutch physician in his mid-thirties, hired Johannes Van Eede, a printer in Utrecht, to publish his new book, “A Light Shining in Dark Places, to Shed Light on Matters of Theology and Religion.” But Van Eede, after setting the first half of the manuscript, became uneasy about its highly unorthodox contents. Koerbagh argued that God is not a Trinity, as the Dutch Reformed Church taught, but an infinite and eternal substance that includes everything in existence. In his view, Jesus was just a human being, the Bible is not Holy Writ, and good and evil are merely terms we use for what benefits or harms us. The only reason people believe in the doctrine of Christianity, Koerbagh wrote, is that religious authorities “forbid people to investigate and order them to believe everything they say without examination, and they try to murder (if they do not escape) those who question things and thus arrive at knowledge and truth, as has happened many thousands of times.”

Now it was about to happen to Koerbagh himself. Van Eede, either outraged because of his religious beliefs or worried about his own legal liability, stopped work and turned over the manuscript to the sheriff of Utrecht, who in turn informed the sheriff of Amsterdam. Koerbagh was already well known to the authorities there; in February, they had seized all copies of his previous book, “A Flower Garden of All Sorts of Delights,” in which he had denied the existence of miracles and divine revelation. Realizing that he was in danger, Koerbagh went on the run, ending up in Leiden, where he disguised himself with a black wig. But a reward was offered and in July someone turned him in. Koerbagh was interrogated, tried, and sentenced to ten years in prison for blasphemy, to be followed by ten years of exile. The long sentence turned out to be unnecessary: he lasted just a year in prison before dying, in October, 1669.

A few months later, an even more subversive book was published in Amsterdam: “Tractatus Theologico-Politicus,” an anonymous Latin treatise that declared the best policy in religious matters to be “allowing every man to think what he likes, and say what he thinks.” In the preface, the author gave thanks for the “rare happiness of living in a republic, where everyone’s judgment is free and unshackled, where each may worship God as his conscience dictates, and where freedom is esteemed before all things dear and precious.” But the fact that the author withheld his name, and that the book’s Amsterdam publisher claimed on the title page that it had been printed in Hamburg, told another story. The author and the publisher were well aware that their unshackled judgment could put them in shackles.

These feints couldn’t stop readers, or the authorities, from quickly figuring out that the “Tractatus” was the work of Baruch Spinoza. Although Spinoza, then in his late thirties, had previously published only one book, a guide to the fashionable philosophy of René Descartes, he was one of Amsterdam’s most notorious freethinkers.


Pity that it seems to be falling by the wayside . . . .

 

[coati]

Pity that it seems to be falling by the wayside . . . .

What the fuck do you expect when people like you promote a binary view of humanity as consisting of armed warriors and "pussies", with the thinking of the latter allegedly benefiting from "a bullet to the head".

Your long and rambling philosophical statements are pure bullshit in the context of your obsession with violence.

 

[Bn2f]

Well, yes. And we also had 4 poor-to-worse presidents in a row, including 1 who died of cirrhosis. Fifteen was the worst ever. "Trump was worst ever!!!" Not really. Fifteen lost 7 states in the last 2.5 months in office. Forty-five came in with 50 and left with 50.

So the bar for judging a president is him leaving office with an equal to net + acquiring of states???
You must think Benjamin Harrison, who oversaw 6 states being admitted, as the bomb-diggitty.

 

[Bn2f]

1 + 3 = 13


One of the interesting (and not in a conventional "interesting" way) is the binary view of politics and society in so very many observations and articles. Swear to Allah, I don't recall its being that divided 30 years ago. Whereas I find humans less trustworthy now more than ever, at least then I found the sense of society to be a bit more unified. I disagree with you but you're not some extreme characterization - then. Now, it's all horrible if it isn't lockstep with (what passes for) that person's thinking.


I discovered/observed several years ago that nothing is about good or bad, or right and wrong. It's about, does it work or does it not. And this shit is broken, badly, and has been for awhile. It's just that in all the din of bickering, no one is looking.

I love Carlin. I listen to his standup and I can see where he is calling out the system in place around us. He is not subtle in his frustration. I also recognize that part of what makes him transcend standup is the genius of what he is commenting on crosses over generations and time periods. He is calling for better wages for the working class, better health care for the whole population, and for stronger unions. If he were alive today, I would never venture to say that he would tie himself to any political party, but it's quite clear which political party and it's supporters who have earned the moniker of voting against their best interests that his sharp and insightful commentary would readily apply to.

Wat? Are you for stronger unions? A strengthening of our social welfare system, including Social Security? Do you support increases to the wages of workers where no employable American works, but still lives in poverty? Did you support the BLM protests? Or are you just a poser using George Carlin to cover your acceptance of conservative kissing of the NRA ring? Stop fucking around and tell us clearly who and what you support so we can then judge you against what Carlin advocates.

 

[Bn2f]

In March, 1668, Adriaan Koerbagh, a Dutch physician in his mid-thirties, hired Johannes Van Eede, a printer in Utrecht, to publish his new book, “A Light Shining in Dark Places, to Shed Light on Matters of Theology and Religion.” But Van Eede, after setting the first half of the manuscript, became uneasy about its highly unorthodox contents. Koerbagh argued that God is not a Trinity, as the Dutch Reformed Church taught, but an infinite and eternal substance that includes everything in existence. In his view, Jesus was just a human being, the Bible is not Holy Writ, and good and evil are merely terms we use for what benefits or harms us. The only reason people believe in the doctrine of Christianity, Koerbagh wrote, is that religious authorities “forbid people to investigate and order them to believe everything they say without examination, and they try to murder (if they do not escape) those who question things and thus arrive at knowledge and truth, as has happened many thousands of times.”

Now it was about to happen to Koerbagh himself. Van Eede, either outraged because of his religious beliefs or worried about his own legal liability, stopped work and turned over the manuscript to the sheriff of Utrecht, who in turn informed the sheriff of Amsterdam. Koerbagh was already well known to the authorities there; in February, they had seized all copies of his previous book, “A Flower Garden of All Sorts of Delights,” in which he had denied the existence of miracles and divine revelation. Realizing that he was in danger, Koerbagh went on the run, ending up in Leiden, where he disguised himself with a black wig. But a reward was offered and in July someone turned him in. Koerbagh was interrogated, tried, and sentenced to ten years in prison for blasphemy, to be followed by ten years of exile. The long sentence turned out to be unnecessary: he lasted just a year in prison before dying, in October, 1669.

A few months later, an even more subversive book was published in Amsterdam: “Tractatus Theologico-Politicus,” an anonymous Latin treatise that declared the best policy in religious matters to be “allowing every man to think what he likes, and say what he thinks.” In the preface, the author gave thanks for the “rare happiness of living in a republic, where everyone’s judgment is free and unshackled, where each may worship God as his conscience dictates, and where freedom is esteemed before all things dear and precious.” But the fact that the author withheld his name, and that the book’s Amsterdam publisher claimed on the title page that it had been printed in Hamburg, told another story. The author and the publisher were well aware that their unshackled judgment could put them in shackles.

These feints couldn’t stop readers, or the authorities, from quickly figuring out that the “Tractatus” was the work of Baruch Spinoza. Although Spinoza, then in his late thirties, had previously published only one book, a guide to the fashionable philosophy of René Descartes, he was one of Amsterdam’s most notorious freethinkers.


Pity that it seems to be falling by the wayside . . . .

Cool story, bro.
You heard it here first folks. Come November, wat will be voting to oust all those who have been banning books and claiming that America is a theist country that needs to bring back Christian based teachings and prayer back in schools. Praise be to Allah.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Wat has said, clearly, that the NRA has been irrelevant since the Bush 2 administration. But he was told that he was lying. He's not. Read the thread.


Wat will not be bothering with the masses at the polls.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

It is a pity that it fell by the wayside. Reread this thread which was started to determine how wretched things have gotten in terms of "discussion" (the W8 4 H8 comment). It has come every page from that one to this, yet I started it?


As I have said repeatedly, 1 + 3 = 13 . . . .

 

[Bn2f]

Wat has said, clearly, that the NRA has been irrelevant since the Bush 2 administration. But he was told that he was lying. He's not. Read the thread.


Wat will not be bothering with the masses at the polls.

And I easily dispelled that with stating that an NRA approval is still a vital resume requirement to be of good standing in the Republican Party. Now, wat, stop deflecting and answer the relevant questions, especially relating to George Carlin, that I have posed.
AFTER you do that then you can further explain how you are a proponent for early voting and mail in ballots.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Are you really that fucking st000pid??? Because it looks to me like you're really that fucking st000pid.


In simple English, fuck the NRA and fuck what they say. Forever. Get it now???

 

[Bn2f]

It is a pity that it fell by the wayside. Reread this thread which was started to determine how wretched things have gotten in terms of "discussion" (the W8 4 H8 comment). It has come every page from that one to this, yet I started it?


As I have said repeatedly, 1 + 3 = 13 . . . .

I do not like you. I have mocked you in the past and will continue to happily do so with every opportunity that you provide me to do so, but I have not done that to you today. You posted a clip of George Carlin. My questions to you, I believe, have been fair. I defend anyone who supports the working class. If you tell Mme you do so and do so with your vote then I will embrace you.

 

[Bn2f]

It is a pity that it fell by the wayside. Reread this thread which was started to determine how wretched things have gotten in terms of "discussion" (the W8 4 H8 comment). It has come every page from that one to this, yet I started it?


As I have said repeatedly, 1 + 3 = 13 . . . .

Yeah, yeah, yeah.. You're a pro gun advocate who hates the NRA. I think I've shot (lol I crack myself up) aa hole in that but it's small beans. You need to explain your stance on that more to your friends here than to me. MY questions and the subjects I am asking you most about were quite clear - YOU are deflecting to the NRA. Focus more on post #4968, please sir.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Damn, I thought Wat would jump all over this great deal.

Oh look wrongway getting in line to suck Wat's cock.

I'll give you credit Wat, you're the leader of this group.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

You love me. You have me in your sig line. And you cannot see where Carlin says that the whole fucking thing is broken. My point is, the whole fucking thing is broken. My point always has been, the whole fucking thing is broken. Nothing fucking works.


Try to see the bigger picture.

 

[Bn2f]

You love me. You have me in your sig line. And you cannot see where Carlin says that the whole fucking thing is broken. My point is, the whole fucking thing is broken. My point always has been, the whole fucking thing is broken. Nothing fucking works.


Try to see the bigger picture.

I do have you in my tag line. Probably will continue to do so because I like pointing the gun of righteousness at the heads of mumbling fools. Ya gotta admit that it works both in imagery and in irking you. But, I will gladly remove today if you honestly answer the questions that I've asked relating to Carlin and your posts on book banning and religious persecution.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

You missed the point on the quote - it was about thinking. I understand why. I answered your questions, but you cannot see it. Like the guns you loathe which you admittedly know nothing about. That principle is called Contempt Prior To Investigation


No, leave the siggie. I reveals how much space I own in your head.

 

[Bn2f]

Sir, I am offering to you an olive branch that could possibly grant you some peace from whenever I post. I would suggest you take it. I am engaging with you honesty and with greatest amount of due respect that I can muster.

 

[Bn2f]

You missed the point on the quote - it was about thinking. I understand why. I answered your questions, but you cannot see it. Like the guns you loathe which you admittedly know nothing about. That principle is called Contempt Prior To Investigation


No, leave the siggie. I reveals how much space I own in your head.

Cool. I asked for clarity on a better understanding on the commentary of Carlin and for you to also explain who today is pushing a toxic religious narrative and you chose not to answer. I too, like you and Gollum, talk to myself in 3rd person:

"Dammit, Bn2f, what did I tell you? You tried and what happened? Dumb, dumb, dumb (hitting my fists to head). Precious, so precious! You tried being an adult, but noooooooooo. They want you to insult them and not respect them. But Bn2f, wat can be your friend... YOU have no friends! Burns... It burns!"

Lol, well, I thank you for giving me something to talk about this week with my therapist.