AI Allegations Thread

[djrip]

It's not baseless, it's giving the software the benefit of the doubt. Admitedly the arms race between Ai and AI detectors is just warming up -- and the competition among AI fakery detectors is hot, and the stakes are high. Lots of money to be made if you can get a reliable one -- you could become the Norton Antivirus or Kaspersky of tomorrow!

That's like giving your 3 year old the benefit of the doubt when they come up with their plastic stethoscope and tell you you're going to need open heart surgery.

You know what's really funny? I remember chatting with a couple of friends on Discord earlier this year about the steps of AI art becoming, if not accepted, then inevitable. One comment I made:



One of the criteria for determining IT-written text, as I understand it, is that it looks for things we'd consider "amateurish." Simple sentence structure, sentence length that doesn't vary, lots of telling instead of showing, a lack of immediacy, overuse of passive voice, etc. So the things that a detector is looking for are the same things that, say, a brand new writer on an amateur site is likely to be guilty of.

I looked at the part of mine that got flagged and... yup. That's very definitely the case there. That passage is literally one of the first things I wrote since I got back in the game, so I can see now where it's... fine. Not great, not even really good. Fine. Which is what detectors are likely to hit.

Of course, since none of these folks actually publish their algorithms (partially because they're paid services and partially because, as with most ML-driven tools, they only sort of know how it works), this is just a guess. But if I get called out again, I'm going to have words with that kid in China I'm paying to write my stuff.

The efforts to stop AI with all their false positives are far far worse than anything AI could do.

 

[EmilyMiller]

You know what's really funny? I remember chatting with a couple of friends on Discord earlier this year about the steps of AI art becoming, if not accepted, then inevitable. One comment I made:



One of the criteria for determining IT-written text, as I understand it, is that it looks for things we'd consider "amateurish." Simple sentence structure, sentence length that doesn't vary, lots of telling instead of showing, a lack of immediacy, overuse of passive voice, etc. So the things that a detector is looking for are the same things that, say, a brand new writer on an amateur site is likely to be guilty of.

I looked at the part of mine that got flagged and... yup. That's very definitely the case there. That passage is literally one of the first things I wrote since I got back in the game, so I can see now where it's... fine. Not great, not even really good. Fine. Which is what detectors are likely to hit.

Of course, since none of these folks actually publish their algorithms (partially because they're paid services and partially because, as with most ML-driven tools, they only sort of know how it works), this is just a guess. But if I get called out again, I'm going to have words with that kid in China I'm paying to write my stuff.

The secret is to:

1. Alternate between choppy short sentences, often starting with a conjunction. And ridiculously long sentences, with nested sub-clauses - sometimes involving emdashes - (or parentheses) and which go on, and on, and on…
2. Leaven your prose with inordinately florid accoutrements, adornments and embellishments
3. Use them big words with more than one part to them
4. Include as many technical terms as you can - epitrophic is a good example as it gynodioecious
5. Make the sex so mind-boggling kinky that no computer could have come up with it (and few other humans, outside of secure institutions)

Basically write like me.

At least that’s what ChatGTP advised me to do.

Em

 

[countdowntolov3]

This is some quality drama. Much better than anything an AI could come up with.

 

[MediocreAuthor]

Legends say that if you ask and AI detector to read Eldritch Pact, it'll destroy the internet or spawn a digital demon.
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[EmilyMiller]

Legends say that if you ask and AI detector to read Eldritch Pact, it'll destroy the internet or spawn a digital demon.
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You already broke my text to voice today. You’re evil.

Em

 

[mirafrida]

Though I lack for personality in real life, it appears I may not be a bot. I dropped in the opening section of one my recent stories to three sites, and scored "0% generated content," "100% human generated" and "this was written by a human." FWIW!

Max slumped on the couch—jet-black curls spilling down over dark eyes that refused to meet mine.

I was boiling. “Do you have any idea what this is like? To have the principal call and say you’d been busted? With drugs? How can you do this to me?!”

His voice was low and sarcastic. “You know not everything’s about you, right?”

“Don’t talk back to me. You’re lucky he didn’t expel you—or turn you to the authorities for Christ’s sake!”

“Mom—it was one freakin’ joint. The cops could care less. Yes, it was stupid. I won’t do it again. But it’s only a week suspension. It’s not that big a deal.”

“Please spare me your ‘no big deal’ crap! I didn’t come to this country, slave for you every day, just for you to throw it away. You have to keep your nose clean and walk the straight line if you want to make it anywhere. Now give me your phone.” I held out my hand.

He rolled his eyes to cover his embarrassment. “This isn’t Russia, mom… Look, I’m sorry… I didn’t-”

“Give me your phone. I swear to God, if you don’t give it to me right now, I’ll cancel your number.”

As I said it, I knew it was a weak threat. Pathetic, even. Max had an after-school job at the KFC. I made him put most of each paycheck away for college, but he was perfectly capable of buying his own phone plan if push came to shove.

The truth of it was that, like all parents of teenagers, I was losing him. Day by day, bit by bit, our roles were reversing; and I could see the time coming when I needed him more than he needed me (though I will never admit it out loud). I told myself that it was the natural order of things… but so what? It still hurt. Still made me feel out of control.

Max was only halfway through his senior year, though, and not quite ready to cut the apron strings yet. The impasse dragged on for an uncomfortable 10 seconds or so, and then he swore under his breath. “Goddamn it, ma, you just don’t…” Clamping his jaw shut, he slapped the iPhone into my palm.

“You can have it back in a month. And don’t think I won’t tell your father about this. We’ll see what other punishments there are.”

Still fuming, he stalked off to his bedroom and slammed the door.

I plopped down into the chair at my desk, heaving a helpless sigh. This American son of mine thought he could do whatever he wanted. That it would all just be handed to him. He didn’t seem to have any common sense. Any self-control. Hell, I knew I had never been that young and stupid!

And then, unexpectedly, a jolt of self-awareness punctured my stormy mood, and I couldn’t help but laugh at the irony. Bozhe moi—I’d become my parents!

 

[alohadave]

Thank you very much for making these excellent points, alohadave. And someone said I was unpleasant to you before. I do apologize. I admittedly can be an asshole, but I'm no plagiarist, as this person is implying.

I appreciate that this is stressful for you, and I snapped hard at you as well.

And as an additional data point, my current submission had the submission time reset this morning, so I think there may be a technical glitch going on with the system.

 

[Devinter]

Make the sex so mind-boggling kinky that no computer could have come up with it (and few other humans, outside of secure institutions)

One of the three stories of mine that got pulled include this deviant exchange:



And it only gets worse from there. So I don't think that making things kinky is enough of a deterrent.

 

[MelissaBaby]

You're right. Thank you for this input, and I plan to follow your advice.

I said essentially the same thing as Simon, and you accused me of gaslighting you.

 

[EmilyMiller]

One of the three stories of mine that got pulled include this deviant exchange:



And it only gets worse from there. So I don't think that making things kinky is enough of a deterrent.

Amateur - try reading Baby It’s Cold Outside by the lovely @EStaccato

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

I said essentially the same thing as Simon, and you accused me of gaslighting you.

The thing is AI-generated text is not often self-consistent.

I’m viewing this as someone’s science fair project.

Em

 

[MelissaBaby]

The thing is AI-generated text is not often self-consistent.

I’m viewing this as someone’s science fair project.

Em

Actually, Simon and I have an arrangement. I post something, then he does a version for the people who only pay attention to people with dicks.

 

[Devinter]

Amateur - try reading Baby It’s Cold Outside by the lovely @EStaccato

Em

That's a good one, but I think my Pleasant Nightmares might still be 'worse'..

 

[MediocreAuthor]

Looks like I got away with it am innocent! Lmao



This was a small snippet, but I am at work, and I had trouble getting the other AI detectors to load.

On the upside, no digital monsters were created. Hey, does anyone else hear that rumbling? What's that sound? It kinda sounds like wicked cackling?

Meh... I'm sure it's nothing.

 

[nice90sguy]

It occurs to me that if I had a really great idea for a story, that could be expressed in a few paragraphs, I'd play with an AI generator to flesh it out, but according to what bramblethorn wrote, it's more effort to guide the generator than to actually write the thing yourself.

 

[MediocreAuthor]

AI detects AI written material as a professional courtesy to itself, saying, "Yeah, I write like that."

Also known as "Don't Bullshit a Bullshitter"



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(That's supposed to be Walter White )

 

[nice90sguy]

In my story "Training Libby" I invented "Kahn's Impersonation Inequality", where the (fictional) AI pioneer Hal Kahn proves, using Godel's Theorem, that No AI can be developed that can pass the turiing test against itself.

 

[EmilyMiller]

That's a good one, but I think my Pleasant Nightmares might still be 'worse'..

Or, try one by this super-talented emerging writer…

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Em

 

[nice90sguy]

I also invented a few Hal Kahn quotes:
There are two ways to get an AI to pass the Turing Test: Make the AI smarter; or make people stupider. The second way is a lot easier.
-- Hal Kahn

 

[MelissaBaby]

Or, try one by this super-talented emerging writer…

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Em

That actually was written by AI: Alien Intelligence.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Yeah, I was thinking, wouldn't using tools like this make us write slower?

Not necessarily. You can generate bad (often humorously bad) prose very, very fast in ChatGPT, for example.

As far as detection, given that Amazon’s “solution” to AI text is not detection but to limit people to publishing no more than three texts per day to Kindle, my guess is that any detector is probably trash. If Bezos and Co. throw their hands up at the issue, and Medium’s answer to the problem is roughly to say “now, you kids play nice and don’t use HAL for evil…” well, I love this site, but I can’t imagine they’ve stumbled onto a better solution.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Well, I have Scribblr's approval. 0% chance I am an AI. Whew. I was worried there. Do Androids Dream of Writing Electric Erotica?

 

[nice90sguy]

Well AI generated text is a sort of modal average of what humans generate, so it's no wonder that it's hard to detect. But the point is, stories here need to be more diverse than that

 

[u1u1u1]

In my story "Training Libby" I invented "Kahn's Impersonation Inequality", where the (fictional) AI pioneer Hal Kahn proves, using Godel's Theorem, that No AI can be developed that can pass the turiing test against itself.

I have had conversations with ChatGPT where I posted its responses into another conversation with ChatGPT. They were both convinced they were talking to a human - but that's because they're programmed to think users are human.

 

[Zootonius]

I dunno, I put a sample of mine in and got this: