The future is dense, walkable cities.

[AlexBailey]

It was an example you MORON. 100 was chosen because it's a small number most people can grasp in size.

And of course you managed to fuck yourself by not understanding any of it and thought it was real.

So again, in your brilliant example you said 100 out of 100 residents would be business owners.

 

[phrodeau]

Per ton it's cheaper over distance. For short lightweight movement of people and goods it's actually more expensive.

Just as you car gets better mileage on the highway than in town, so do trains. Worse, that's a lot of mass to start and stop frequently in order to load/offload commuters and it takes boatloads of energy to do it. On a "per person" ratio, a commuter train costs more to operate. That gets offset somewhat with more passengers but it's still not as efficient.

Hybrid cars get better mileage in town compared to highway. And on urban trains, boatloads of energy get recovered by regenerative braking.

 

[Dribble]

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...-five U.S.,rural areas is virtually unchanged.

 

[HisArpy]

Hybrid cars get better mileage in town compared to highway. And on urban trains, boatloads of energy get recovered by regenerative braking.

GO FUCK YOURSELF

 

[stxjimmy]

GO FUCK YOURSELF

That’s the way to win a debate?

 

[AlexBailey]

Hybrid cars get better mileage in town compared to highway. And on urban trains, boatloads of energy get recovered by regenerative braking.

Wait for it…. Harpy’s turrets fit should be coming…. any second now….

Oh man! He ticked before I could post this!

That’s the way to win a debate?

@HisArpy has fewer cylinders firing than grandpa Joe.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Your problem is that you're simple minded. In order to get employees, cities need to continue to expand into suburban and rural areas. YOU THINK that only cities like Los Angeles do this but every city does it, including the surrounding municipalities like Thousand Oaks, Malibu, Sun Valley and so on. Those cities are growing too and the space they're taking over are the suburbs and rural areas between them and Los Angeles.

Areas which HAVE LITTLE TO NO mass transit access except after commuting over distance. Which is the definition of a transportation desert. And which is also something your "plan" (for lack of a better word) doesn't acknowledge or deal with.

So spare us the claptrap, you don't know what you're talking about, your idea isn't designed to work in the real world, and it doesn't encompass all of the facts necessary to even get off the ground let alone actually function. It is basically a child's version of how things work without that child having any ability to think and rationalize how to solve the problems their idea creates so it just ignores them.

Which happens to fit within the definition of a fantasy.

Except it works in Santa Monica. A decade ago SM was choking on cars. Now, by giving people alternatives to driving, it’s thriving. On a larger scale this transformation is happening in Paris and Manhattan. The car-centric city was 20th Century dream that turned into a nightmare. It led to gridlock, mass fatalities and global warming.

 

[HisArpy]

Except it works in Santa Monica. A decade ago SM was choking on cars. Now, by giving people alternatives to driving, it’s thriving. On a larger scale this transformation is happening in Paris and Manhattan. The car-centric city was 20th Century dream that turned into a nightmare. It led to gridlock, mass fatalities and global warming.

Great, now apply that to Westlake. Or Arrowhead. Or Big Bear.

And of course your idea works to get fresh produce from LA to Castaic by train without needing any cars or trucks to do it, right?

Again, read my lips here, your idea is built on simplistic principles and only seems plausible because you're a simpleton without any real understanding of the larger picture/world.

 

[AlexBailey]

Except it works in Santa Monica. A decade ago SM was choking on cars. Now, by giving people alternatives to driving, it’s thriving. On a larger scale this transformation is happening in Paris and Manhattan. The car-centric city was 20th Century dream that turned into a nightmare. It led to gridlock, mass fatalities and global warming.

@HisArpy is arguing that because not everyone can live in a 15min city that it doesn’t work for anyone.

 

[phrodeau]

GO FUCK YOURSELF

So spare us the claptrap, you don't know what you're talking about,

Will you be sparing us any time soon?

 

[HisArpy]

Will you be sparing us any time soon?

I don't have time for bigots so

GO FUCK YOURSELF

 

[HisArpy]

@HisArpy is arguing that because not everyone can live in a 15min city that it doesn’t work for anyone.

Which sort of entirely defeats the idea that the future is dense walkable cities.

Or do you think flour, milk, eggs, and the rest only come from the supermarket after magically appearing on the shelves there?

 

[AlexBailey]

Which sort of entirely defeats the idea that the future is dense walkable cities.

Or do you think corn only comes from the supermarket?

So in your mind that fact that not everyone can live in the 15 minute city model means that the idea is “entirely” defeated?

You might as well say that gated communities don’t work because not everyone can live in one.

Or that bicycles don’t work because they aren’t fast enough, they can’t carry enough cargo, not everyone can ride….

 

[HisArpy]

So in your mind that fact that not everyone can live in the 15 minute city model means that the idea is “entirely” defeated?

You might as well say that gated communities don’t work because not everyone can live in one.

Or that bicycles don’t work because they aren’t fast enough, they can’t carry enough cargo, not everyone can ride….

dudly, I'm not the one trying to create something that cannot exist. I'm only pointing out, while using your own words to do so, that it cannot exist.

If you yourself (or ninnygirl as the case may be) say that it can't work because not everyone can live there, why the fuck are you continuing to insist that it can work? Your own words defeat you.

 

[Chernosoth]

In order to get employees, cities need to continue to expand into suburban and rural areas.

Until there's nowhere left to sprawl, the remaining farmland can't produce enough food, and the cities go broke trying to maintain the sprawling infrastructure that uses more energy over the longer distances. That is part of why so many cities and older suburbs look like slums now. Suburban sprawl is geographic cancer.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Nothing in the 15 Minute City model means that "everything" is handled within 15 minutes. Just that the emphasis is on placing goods, services, residences, and people within 15 minutes. Deliveries will still come in. Movement will still happen. It just de-emphasizes the car. Cars won't go away. They won't be banned. They'll just not be necessary for an increased portion of the population. The choice to not have a car, or to have a single car for a family as opposed to two cars, will be easier and more efficient.

We might rail against the concept, but there is really nothing controversial about it, many cities in the US and world-wide are already doing it and are already onboard with the concept. It's not about suddenly changing everything, it's about gradually creating the conditions where, for urban dwellers, the necessity of the car is lessened.

Kind of like Spinal Tap, people want to take the concept to 11. LOL - that is not what it is. It's moving the dial a few notches over, so more people don't need a car. So that when you fly in for vacation, you don't need a rental. So that when you go to visit your friends or family, you can leave your car behind.

 

[AlexBailey]

dudly, I'm not the one trying to create something that cannot exist. I'm only pointing out, while using your own words to do so, that it cannot exist.

If you yourself (or ninnygirl as the case may be) say that it can't work because not everyone can live there, why the fuck are you continuing to insist that it can work? Your own words defeat you.

What an annoying idiot you are.

Do you misunderstand that 15 minute cities exists and that the model is being developed and improved upon outside of your myopic little world?

 

[phrodeau]

THIS is insane!!!


https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2284107/housing-market-falling.jpg?w=591&h=394&f=c9585854fd20b091ca08003436fae547



Why would anyone live like that? You know those houses are several hundred thousand dollars and you can't even hardly walk between them.

Get rid of the attached garages, and you’ll have enough area for a pole barn.
Keep the solar panels, though.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Great, now apply that to Westlake. Or Arrowhead. Or Big Bear.

And of course your idea works to get fresh produce from LA to Castaic by train without needing any cars or trucks to do it, right?

Again, read my lips here, your idea is built on simplistic principles and only seems plausible because you're a simpleton without any real understanding of the larger picture/world.

Cars are fine as rural transportation. The more private cars we get off city streets the easier it is for trucks to move necessary goods and for emergency vehicles to reach their destinations quickly.

 

[Paul_Chance]

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2021/12/16/americans-are-less-likely-than-before-covid-19-to-want-to-live-in-cities-more-likely-to-prefer-suburbs/#:~:text=About one-in-five U.S.,rural areas is virtually unchanged.

Good article.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

dudly, I'm not the one trying to create something that cannot exist. I'm only pointing out, while using your own words to do so, that it cannot exist.

If you yourself (or ninnygirl as the case may be) say that it can't work because not everyone can live there, why the fuck are you continuing to insist that it can work? Your own words defeat you.

Not everyone can afford to own a car, therefore car suburbs cannot exist.

 

[AlexBailey]

Not everyone can afford to own a car, therefore car suburbs cannot exist.

Right. The costs of owning, maintaining, insuring, fueling, and parking a car can take a significant part of someone’s income. Letting go of that encumbrance can make the rest of life much more affordable.

Vehicle expenses can cost nearly as much as housing. Being able to walk to work and other activities and services can save a lot of time and money.

 

[icanhelp1]

dudly, I'm not the one trying to create something that cannot exist. I'm only pointing out, while using your own words to do so, that it cannot exist.

If you yourself (or ninnygirl as the case may be) say that it can't work because not everyone can live there, why the fuck are you continuing to insist that it can work? Your own words defeat you.

Is there any form of public transportation that isn’t losing a bucket load of money?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Right. The costs of owning, maintaining, insuring, fueling, and parking a car can take a significant part of someone’s income. Letting go of that encumbrance can make the rest of life much more affordable.

Vehicle expenses can cost nearly as much as housing. Being able to walk to work and other activities and services can save a lot of time and money.

And minimum parking requirements make it harder to build affordable urban housing.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Is there any form of public transportation that isn’t losing a bucket load of money?

We don’t expect the fire department to turn a profit. Why should expect transit to?