Disappointed……That was Jive

[Noor]

Understood, but lit probably doesn’t want to find itself on the yet to be determined wrong side of the issue

ie err on the side of caution

 

[jaF0]

Meanwhile this site is littered with what is considered revenge porn with no proof the people posting the pics of women are those women, or have the woman's permission to post. But you know, this site thinks its above the law

Going to be funny when the am pic thread gets them hit with so much legal trouble they shut down.

I'd kill the whole AmPics board if it were up to me.

I've taken out a number of pictures where ownership was called into question.

 

[Sparky74]

I’m getting flak from mods on my AI generated pic thread. It’s frustrating and disappointing. It’s my understanding that non photographic art is exempt from certain restrictions. I’m being told that the restrictions sort of apply. That leaves a lot of grey area….I’m being chastised for “sort of”. Either the restrictions apply or they don’t. Sort of..does not give me any direction or actionable criteria.

I’ve asked for clarification but have received none. I see photographic content that is much more risqué on threads and I am not complaining but confused.

The mods say people are complaining about my thread….I’m not sure why folk see fit to complain and maybe some of you can offer some constructive criticism in the comments.

I’m kind of at a loss here. There are threads that cover topics or include content I’m not anxious to see. I just avoid them.

What are your thoughts?

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/just-me-and-my-ai-user-generated-erotica.1590436/post-97164613

I think that maybe we were missed categorised when threads were set up?

 

[jaF0]

I think that maybe people are trying to push the boundaries of 'art' with a new technology that wasn't around when Lit's rules were written.

 

[Sparky74]

I think that maybe people are trying to push the boundaries of 'art' with a new technology that wasn't around when Lit's rules were written.

Isn't that exactly the point of Art?

Really if people are offended by pictures that are not even real, then there really is no hope for the world, lol

 

[BeaMine]

It would because even though the post is not making money off it and the forum itself isn’t, lit is a commercial site.

Thank you for that feedback. That helps

 

[BeaMine]

I have no clue how to move the thread. I am completely happy if one of the mods want to move it. Because of its content I felt the fetish and sexuality section was probably a better fit but, please move it if it helps make things a little better

 

[BeaMine]

The extremely graphic OB/GYN stuff is not appropriate in the degree of realism displayed in some images. Artwork (pen/brush/paper/canvas) doesn't get to that degree of realism.

This is where I have an issue. If it’s non photographic then it’s not. If guidelines for photos are applied to the AI Art, then the guidelines should apply equally to all art no matter medium. That would eliminate the huge grey area.

As far as some images being especially graphic….I think we can agree that they are not generally posted by me. Please don’t take issue with the thread and threaten to close it down. Take issue with specific posters/posts.

 

[Dribble]

When you embarrass Republicans...they complain. It comes with you being active in the politics board.

And the mod that thinks he is more than he is...has power issues

 

[BeaMine]

When you embarrass Republicans...they complain. It comes with you being active in the politics board.

And the mod that thinks he is more than he is...has power issues

I will give them the benefit of doubt. I’d rather this not devolve into a discussion of people but remain a discussion of objective standards vs. subjective standards.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

AI doesn't "create" anything. It airbrushes images stolen from artists.

That's why.

 

[BeaMine]

AI doesn't "create" anything. It airbrushes images stolen from artists.

That's why.

Depends on the app and the ai model used.

Your point misses the topic at hand. Is ai generated images a photograph?

 

[jaF0]

AI doesn't "create" anything. It airbrushes images stolen from artists.

That's why.

If that's true, it should be banned from Lit entirely.

 

[Sparky74]

I have no clue how to move the thread. I am completely happy if one of the mods want to move it. Because of its content I felt the fetish and sexuality section was probably a better fit but, please move it if it helps make things a little better

That's where I originally was going to put my Thread but was advised that it may be a better fit in Art Section. It's all very confusing.

 

[BeaMine]

There is one set of guidelines for photographs and a second set of guidelines for images that are not photographs. Those are objective. There is a clear distinction that is easy to follow.

Ai generated images are not photographic. No matter how detailed or real they may appear, they cannot ever be an actual photograph.

The same is true for photographs. No matter how poor quality a photo is, it never ceases to be a photo.

Those are objective. If the door is opened saying that a subjective judgement must be made where quality is the variable then there is ambiguity and that does not serve the site, the mods, or the users well as there is no clear guidelines or policies to point to or follow.

The current guidelines do not stipulate that there is a subjective component with regards to quality when making the distinction between photographs and non photographs. Therefore a subjective standard should not be arbitrarily applied.

If we are being asked to follow guidelines then the standards should be specific and objective and not arbitrary and subjective. It’s impossible to read minds and comply with a subjective standard.

 

[BeaMine]

I’m curious what people think. I’m looking forward to feedback and a definitive clarification of the rules.

 

[BeaMine]

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/20/1171...questions-implications-of-ai-generated-images

 

[BeaMine]

https://www.naturephotographers.network/articles/the-ramifications-of-ai-on-photography/

 

[BeaMine]

https://www.keptlight.com/can-ai-create-photographs/

 

[BeaMine]

I’m not letting this go until an objective standard is articulated

 

[butters]

I’m not letting this go until an objective standard is articulated

take it up with the owners

 

[ToPleaseHim]

I’m not letting this go until an objective standard is articulated

take it up with the owners

^^

@BeaMine Not letting it go till you get an objective standard will leave you very frustrated. I’d suggest you do as butters is suggesting and take it up with the owners.

 

[neci]

question. an anonymous user says, “hey! i love your ai generated images! will you make some from my photographs?” you, on your thread, say, “sure! here’s your image i made porn from, generated using my ai program.” how do you know that you did not just create revenge porn using a photograph of a person, who did not consent to having their likeness used for porn? would you want your photo or your mother’s or best friend’s photo used without their consent to create pornographic images that were then distributed on the internet? you argue that you are not posting photos, but you are using photos and the likeness of real people, maybe not for all, but for many of the images that you have posted. you talk in your thread about receiving pictures from people, then you post the porn you make for them. you have zero clue as to the actual user you are chatting with, unless you have met in real life.

if a musician takes words from another song and puts their music to it, they run the risk of being sued. if a painter replicates a photograph, signs their name, and does not give credit to the photograph they did not take, they can be sued. if you take an image of someone, run it through a program and depict them spread eagle with a dick in their animated asshole, should you be sued? i would argue that based on artwork that has been successfully sued and won in court, that there is more than a possibility of that happening. either way, at the end of the day, it is up to the site owners if they want to open themselves up to that type of liability on their private website.

as an aside, posting a thread on the general board, which is relatively unmoderated, is the worst place on lit to receive a definitive answer.

 

[neci]

A user asked me to do an AI render from their pic. It’s not quite their face but similar.

example one.

Madirose will be busting buttons any mmmoment!

https://forum.literotica.com/attachments/1691531098801…..-jpeg.xxxxxxx/

example two, lit user‘s face used to generate image without permission

She says she wants them larger .

you go on to alter and post the lit user nude through ai. nowhere does the actual poster show up and say, wow! i love how you made my boobs look so fake! or wow, what a pussy you gave me! if that’s what they wanted, then good for you. if not, i would say you violated their image for sexual gratification which makes you, well, .

try the app xxxxxx with the xxxxxx filter

these got posted in reverse, but here you are giving tips on the best program for the user below to alter the photos in his collection. you seem very proud of yourself for being helpful.

I struck out trying to upload an image and then alter it. Was that also on xxxxxxx? It showed my actual photo, but I wasn't able to alter it.

it seems in the beginning of the thread, you were all, i just use words! the thing is, you don’t and other people aren’t.

 

[BeaMine]

question. an anonymous user says, “hey! i love your ai generated images! will you make some from my photographs?” you, on your thread, say, “sure! here’s your image i made porn from, generated using my ai program.” how do you know that you did not just create revenge porn using a photograph of a person, who did not consent to having their likeness used for porn? would you want your photo or your mother’s or best friend’s photo used without their consent to create pornographic images that were then distributed on the internet? you argue that you are not posting photos, but you are using photos and the likeness of real people, maybe not for all, but for many of the images that you have posted. you talk in your thread about receiving pictures from people, then you post the porn you make for them. you have zero clue as to the actual user you are chatting with, unless you have met in real life.

if a musician takes words from another song and puts their music to it, they run the risk of being sued. if a painter replicates a photograph, signs their name, and does not give credit to the photograph they did not take, they can be sued. if you take an image of someone, run it through a program and depict them spread eagle with a dick in their animated asshole, should you be sued? i would argue that based on artwork that has been successfully sued and won in court, that there is more than a possibility of that happening. either way, at the end of the day, it is up to the site owners if they want to open themselves up to that type of liability on their private website.

as an aside, posting a thread on the general board, which is relatively unmoderated, is the worst place on lit to receive a definitive answer.

That is a great question. I will have to consider that in future posts. Thank you

95%or more of the ai images I’ve shared have been generated solely with words…pretty much anything I’ve posted on the first 29 paged of the thread is only based upon words….. It’s a better more creative process but can take hours sometimes,

Edit- the pics have been deleted and I’ve posted that I will not participate in anything that has the potential to be harmful to others. Thank you for pointing that out to me.