Nashville Shooter Is A 28 Year Old Woman.

[TrailerHitch]

Well, from what I see, until folks want to give up those privacy settings this will still continue to happen. I'm not sure what hurdle you could adequately define that caused all types of mental health individuals to be required to report potential issues. Plus, make the data base from all states available to gun shops, and that will still bypass around private sales and lack of mandatory registration. Basically, evil folks are going to do evil things, regardless of the laws or lack of them.

I just don't see people going in to counseling to discuss for example marital issues, or some other non-violent issue, if they knew it would be entered into a national data base.

It doesn't have to be available to the gun shops if it is entered into the national data base. Gun stores run a check through the national data base for every firearm sale.

True enough on evil people doing evil things. Laws have never stopped criminals from doing evil they set limits on what the good people are allowed to do.

The point I have made here and been shouted down about before is that even if they confiscated all the known privately owned firearms there are thousands, if not millions, of guns that the government has no record of. Guns sold before records were kept, war trophy bring backs, guns handed down through generations, and yes, private sales. Add to that if guns were banned a black market would almost instantly appear selling guns. We can't keep drugs from being smuggled in what makes anyone believe they could stop guns from being smuggled in?

 

[Sean Renaud]

You wouldn't really need to stop guns from being smuggled in to largely solve the problem however.

 

[HisArpy]

For perhaps the first time I agree with you. I have long said, and repeatedly on these forums, that mental health issues are a major problem in this country and our abysmal mental health care system and reporting system for mental health are partially to blame for some of these horrific events.

My issue is how do we prevent people with mental health issues from purchasing firearms. We certainly can't enter everyone that sees a counselor into a data base because for some it would be unnecessary and an invasion of privacy with potentially the repercussion of people simply not seeking help because of it.

I'm open to ideas on this because obviously this was a very disturbed young woman that needed help.

The issue of mental health and guns has many layers and no one has taken the time to actually look at the problem without bias or an agenda.

The result is that some want to ban everyone who seeks counseling while others insist on the privacy aspect so that those who need help won't feel stigmatized for asking for it.

A possible solution lies somewhere in between with a larger scope and vision. For instance; we need a settled social understanding that if you need mental health counseling, you need to go get it and be responsible enough to understand that a need for counseling and guns don't mix. This is more than PSA's, it's you and me and everyone else working toward this understanding as a social goal more than the way we view the campaign against drunk driving.

The mental health industry needs to create a limited and specific listing of mental health categories which require them to report the name and identifying info of anyone seeking mental health guidance for one of the items on the list to the government for inclusion in the database. Mental health counseling for things not on the list doesn't require reporting and professionals who report for things not on the list should face disciplinary action. Basically this is a limited reporting area and shouldn't be allowed to be misused or expanded beyond the minimum scope necessary to help patients who have mental illnesses.

There needs to be a database of proscribed individuals but one which an individual can challenge their inclusion on. There needs to be a process for doing this and, if the challenge is successful, the database amended to remove the information permanently with penalties for the individuals who fail to do so within a specified time period regardless of the reason why. AI would be invaluable for doing this and maintaining the list because it would be almost instantaneous.

There's probably more things we could do but I can't think of anything else off hand.

 

[TrailerHitch]

The issue of mental health and guns has many layers and no one has taken the time to actually look at the problem without bias or an agenda.

The result is that some want to ban everyone who seeks counseling while others insist on the privacy aspect so that those who need help won't feel stigmatized for asking for it.

A possible solution lies somewhere in between with a larger scope and vision. For instance; we need a settled social understanding that if you need mental health counseling, you need to go get it and be responsible enough to understand that a need for counseling and guns don't mix. This is more than PSA's, it's you and me and everyone else working toward this understanding as a social goal more than the way we view the campaign against drunk driving.

The mental health industry needs to create a limited and specific listing of mental health categories which require them to report the name and identifying info of anyone seeking mental health guidance for one of the items on the list to the government for inclusion in the database. Mental health counseling for things not on the list doesn't require reporting and professionals who report for things not on the list should face disciplinary action. Basically this is a limited reporting area and shouldn't be allowed to be misused or expanded beyond the minimum scope necessary to help patients who have mental illnesses.

There needs to be a database of proscribed individuals but one which an individual can challenge their inclusion on. There needs to be a process for doing this and, if the challenge is successful, the database amended to remove the information permanently with penalties for the individuals who fail to do so within a specified time period regardless of the reason why. AI would be invaluable for doing this and maintaining the list because it would be almost instantaneous.

There's probably more things we could do but I can't think of anything else off hand.

My issue is I simply don't trust mental health professionals with an anti-gun bias, or government officials with the same bias, to operate the systems as intended. I see it like the no-fly list where you are banned with almost no recourse to change that. I see people being put on the list, whether justified or not, and being permanently black listed from firearms ownership.

 

[schism666]

No they aren't. Many may be seeing a "mental health counselor" but that is far from seeing a psychiatrist. And that begs the question as to how many of those "counselors" are actually qualified for the treatment of 'gender dysphoria?' The same can be asked regarding psychiatrists.

there are more qualified counselors treating those with gender dysphoria than clowns here questioning their qualifications.

 

[ll74]

For perhaps the first time I agree with you. I have long said, and repeatedly on these forums, that mental health issues are a major problem in this country and our abysmal mental health care system and reporting system for mental health are partially to blame for some of these horrific events.

My issue is how do we prevent people with mental health issues from purchasing firearms. We certainly can't enter everyone that sees a counselor into a data base because for some it would be unnecessary and an invasion of privacy with potentially the repercussion of people simply not seeking help because of it.

I'm open to ideas on this because obviously this was a very disturbed young woman that needed help.

Guns that fire at obscene rates should require more privacy releases. You agree that any psychiatric data will be evaluated in order to purchase the weapon. You agree that in order to have a gun that kills multiple people at faster rates, you must be evaluated.

I'm sure it would be fought.....but the people whose lives have been needlessly taken don't have any rights...and they didn't have a choice to do a damn thing.

 

[HisArpy]

My issue is I simply don't trust mental health professionals with an anti-gun bias, or government officials with the same bias, to operate the systems as intended. I see it like the no-fly list where you are banned with almost no recourse to change that. I see people being put on the list, whether justified or not, and being permanently black listed from firearms ownership.

Which is why we can't get beyond the problem of mental illness and guns.

Currently the system basically requires self reporting and self regulation from individuals too mentally fucked up to do that. And all anyone sees in how to correct it is to go overboard and infringe on the rights of everyone who isn't fucked in the head.

There is a middle ground but it would require that we all work toward it. Much like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 needed all of us to get it done through changing society and social views.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Ignoring that the guns are the problem and pretending otherwise requires you to believe that Americans are uniquely sick and/or evil. Can we admit that the Right has absolutely no plan to improve mental health in this country and every intention of making it much much worse. Its flat out dishonest to claim that a collective group who have latched on to the idea that the LGBT community is dangerous after one mass shooting. There have been others but when this kind of thing happens you don't have to ask, you know its a white male. Just like when there is a terrorist attack you know its in France and if someone ate someones toes it was Florida.

We see it in the on going war on drugs, the lack of a fight for higher wages, safety nets and things that would contribute greatly to better mental health for Americans.

Its really rich hearing this from the Right. Lets for a split second pretend that police culture isn't toxic in and of itself. Maybe some of that stress is why they beat and kill black people. They are also more likely to die of suicide than to criminals, or in drunk driving that they get away with often times because Fam looks out for Fam. The same goes for Fire Fighters and military personnel. But anytime healthcare of any sort is brought up before Congress you can predict the votes before they come in and the Right does not care about us.

Granted I think the reality is that Conservatives hate others more than they love their families but if I'm wrong, if people knew what Republicans vote for they wouldn't vote for them.

 

[georgerb]

Guns are not the problem...people are.

 

[ll74]

Guns are not the problem...people are.

People who use guns criminally are.

 

[Rightguide]

Then we all imagined what just happened in Nashville?

What happened in Nashville is simple. It's the inevitable manifestation of the campaign of hate against Christians perpetrated by the left and the Democrats that have created trans terrorists like we saw there. Benny Johnson of Turning Point USA points to four such shooters here:

How Many Mass Shootings Have Been Carried Out by Transgender People?​

BY ALEKS PHILLIPS ON 3/28/23 AT 11:28 AM EDT

https://www.newsweek.com/mass-shootings-transgender-perpetrators-1790854

https://twitter.com/x/status/1640477904839614466

 

[Rightguide]

Is that what "Shall not be infringed" means? If the Founders had meant "No criminals, no mentally ill, no children" they would have said so. If they Founders had meant "No bombs" they would have said so.

You're the one who worships dead people because they are smarter than you not me, I think once you die your opinion is forfeit.

You're not smarter than anyone.

 

[Rightguide]

Guns are not the problem...people are.

Yes, exactly.

 

[HisArpy]

Ignoring that the guns are the problem and pretending otherwise requires you to believe that Americans are uniquely sick and/or evil. Can we admit that the Right has absolutely no plan to improve mental health in this country and every intention of making it much much worse. Its flat out dishonest to claim that a collective group who have latched on to the idea that the LGBT community is dangerous after one mass shooting. There have been others but when this kind of thing happens you don't have to ask, you know its a white male. Just like when there is a terrorist attack you know its in France and if someone ate someones toes it was Florida.

We see it in the on going war on drugs, the lack of a fight for higher wages, safety nets and things that would contribute greatly to better mental health for Americans.

Its really rich hearing this from the Right. Lets for a split second pretend that police culture isn't toxic in and of itself. Maybe some of that stress is why they beat and kill black people. They are also more likely to die of suicide than to criminals, or in drunk driving that they get away with often times because Fam looks out for Fam. The same goes for Fire Fighters and military personnel. But anytime healthcare of any sort is brought up before Congress you can predict the votes before they come in and the Right does not care about us.

Granted I think the reality is that Conservatives hate others more than they love their families but if I'm wrong, if people knew what Republicans vote for they wouldn't vote for them.

You need to sit down and reread this and then think about how close to the manifestos of crazies it is. To me it's so close it's scary.

 

[Rightguide]

LOL, that’s almost up there with “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

No. it's more like when you fuck with Nature you don't know what is going to happen until it does. The left is anti-Nature, anti-God, and Anti-Christian because they know those beliefs and ideology is what keep the Left from declaring they are God.

 

[HisArpy]

What happened in Nashville is simple. It's the inevitable manifestation of the campaign of hate against Christians perpetrated by the left and the Democrats that have created trans terrorists like we saw there. Benny Johnson of Turning Point USA points to four such shooters here:

How Many Mass Shootings Have Been Carried Out by Transgender People?​

BY ALEKS PHILLIPS ON 3/28/23 AT 11:28 AM EDT

https://www.newsweek.com/mass-shootings-transgender-perpetrators-1790854

https://twitter.com/x/status/1640477904839614466

Even beyond the trans mental health correlation, there's the undeniable connection between the mentally ill and violence of all types.

 

[schism666]

What happened in Nashville is simple. It's the inevitable manifestation of the campaign of hate against Christians perpetrated by the left and the Democrats that have created trans terrorists like we saw there. Benny Johnson of Turning Point USA points to four such shooters here:

How Many Mass Shootings Have Been Carried Out by Transgender People?​

BY ALEKS PHILLIPS ON 3/28/23 AT 11:28 AM EDT

https://www.newsweek.com/mass-shootings-transgender-perpetrators-1790854

https://twitter.com/x/status/1640477904839614466

the christian right is murdering women to save a clump of unwanted cells. pipe down.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1641083896165982208

 

[Bray123]

That the shooter was deranged is beyond question, as evidenced by the wearing of a red hat.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Guns are not the problem...people are.

Sorry its the guns, its dishonest to claim that people are the problem when that isn't the truth.

 

[georgerb]

Sorry its the guns, its dishonest to claim that people are the problem when that isn't the truth.

I have never seen a gun go out and shoot someone to be honest. Pretty sure some person held it and activated it. But you are completely entitled to your perception no matter how physically it can't happen.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I have never seen a gun go out and shoot someone to be honest. Pretty sure some person held it and activated it. But you are completely entitled to your perception no matter how physically it can't happen.

I've never seen a person fly without a vehicle. You are entitled to your perception that plans and helicopters don't fly, people fly, no matter how stupid it makes you look.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Gov. Hobbs’ press secretary resigns after controversial tweet following Nashville mass shooting​

https://www.azfamily.com/2023/03/29...sial-tweet-following-nashville-mass-shooting/

 

[georgerb]

lmao...dumbass...

 

[Rightguide]

Even beyond the trans mental health correlation, there's the undeniable connection between the mentally ill and violence of all types.

Very true and now we see political types at high levels on the left encouraging the shooting of "transphobes."

Gov. Hobbs’ press secretary resigns after controversial tweet following Nashville mass shooting​

By Peter Valencia and Dennis Welch
Published: Mar. 29, 2023 at 9:18 AM PDT|Updated: 33 minutes ago

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https://www.azfamily.com/2023/03/29...sial-tweet-following-nashville-mass-shooting/