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[Kindfarmer]

Where are you?

Smack dab in the middle. Northwest Missouri. The land of hot and cold running glyphosate gravy.....

What line did you take? Over? Under? On? (Here in California we're currently running over - but, we were early last year to then it all vanished in January. Like a pony that starts strong and then fades on the back stretch.

i've got six figures on hard red organic winter wheat. It looks like a damn blue grass seedlings that germinated 5 days ago........ there's barely a green cast to the field unless the light and the framing is just right. It should be 4 inches tall and thick as a teenage girls hair. How ironic. Wheat is going to be worth way above average market price because of worldwide supply decrees. It might not have much of an effect on Organic, but still it's always been a winner for me. Beside the grain, you have a second crap. The straw. and economically positive thing or a great capital improvement by giving it to the soil. Either way, quite profitable.
USUALLY

 

[Kindfarmer]

What line did you take? Over? Under? On? Here in California we're currently running over - but, we were early last year to then it all vanished in January. Like a pony that starts strong and then fades on the back stretch.

To directly answer, normal, with a hedge on over. Under is sinking me!

 

[Kindfarmer]

What line did you take? Over? Under? On? Here in California we're currently running over - but, we were early last year to then it all vanished in January. Like a pony that starts strong and then fades on the back stretch.

Great handle!!! even if it is likely story...

 

[Paul_Chance]

Winter wheat is all about timing - just out of curiosity what seed are you using?

 

[Kindfarmer]

Winter wheat is all about timing - just out of curiosity what seed are you using?

Albert Lea Seed House, compared to conventional, the pallet of choices for organic certified seed is a bit small. These guys are total professionals.

I realize that our winters will be too warm in northern Missouri to "Vernalize" winter wheat. I had forgot about drought. It's been a long time since I've experienced it. The yield of winter wheat is directly correlated to the amount of precipitation received in the "boot stage" when it grows more leaves right before growing a stem. More leaves equal more stems. March ish here. It is possible to plant too early. Second week of October is ideal. I have planning this late is Thanksgiving in as early as September 15. Only do you what you know is not the right thing to do when you have no other options I have a vice like grasp on the obvious

 

[Paul_Chance]

Albert Lea Seed House compared to conventional, the pallet of choices for organic certified seed is a bit small. These guys are total professionals.

Best of luck. Hope you get some lasting snow cover in soon (depending on where you are of course).

 

[Kindfarmer]

Best of luck. Hope you get some lasting snow cover in soon (depending on where you are of course).

Anything wet! Thank you so much. it is a poor cover crop if that is what is amounts to. You know your small grain!

 

[Paul_Chance]

Anything wet! Thank you so much. it is a poor cover crop if that is what is amounts to. You know your small grain!

I grew up on a ranch - still have family ranching/farming in South Dakota and Nebraska. Seen winter wheat kick ass (from a profit standpoint), and I've seen it go "oh crap, well, that didn't work". I think the organics are risky for winter wheat (nice profits if they come in), but the GMO's are better able to deal with the vicissitudes of weather. Ranchimg/farmer is a great game of science and luck.

 

[Kindfarmer]

I grew up on a ranch - still have family ranching/farming in South Dakota and Nebraska. Seen winter wheat kick ass (from a profit standpoint), and I've seen it go "oh crap, well, that didn't work". I think the organics are risky for winter wheat (nice profits if they come in), but the GMO's are better able to deal with the vicissitudes of weather. Ranchimg/farmer is a great game of science and luck.

It definitely is a boom or bust. I am not exaggerating and I know this sounds impossible but I had a $2100 per acre profit on organic winter wheat. 102 bushels to the acre at 14.60 bu and it was the year that organic bedding became a mandate for CertifiedOrganic animals. 300 bales per ac at 6 bucks . If I didn't know them, they had to pick it up outta the field

it's kind of depressing in a way. I've had my once in a lifetime unbelievable yield and profit. Fun while it lasted.
as an aside, there is no GMO wheat currently on the market. We export so much it's not legal. None of our purchase partners would accept it.

your statement about GMO's is quite interesting. I think that's the most popular opinion. I wish it were that way. The genetic modifications are simply to be resistant to super toxic herbicides and the addition of certain pesticides. There isn't one for drought, there isn't one for yield, there isn't one for lodging in corn or standing in the wheat. There's a tell when chemical companies are lying, their lips are moving. I understand people think that. They do everything short of just blatantly lying to us. They love to elude to untruths.
coincidentally, and I just learned this last year shame on me! Non-organic wheat and flour from it, the most glyphosate ridden constituent of our food supply. Conventional growers spray at 12 to 15 weeks before harvest and speed up the process. Meaning, applied right on the berry. Off label use on the actual product of consumption.

 

[Strixaluco]

@Kindfarmer While I agree with you, this is not quite the thread for GMO politics etc

 

[Kindfarmer]

@Kindfarmer While I agree with you, this is not quite the thread for GMO politics etc

I understand that. I'm sure it would be labeled in assumption, OK for some reason thought my new friend would appreciate learning

 

[Strixaluco]

I understand that. I'm sure it would be labeled in assumption, OK for some reason thought my new friend would appreciate learning

You two might continue in PMs? That's what I've done a few times (last time this week, another thread has even more strict policy than Chaos).

 

[Codeman93]

Hey y’all

 

[Strixaluco]

Hey y’all

Hi Code, how's your Saturday?

 

[Codeman93]

Hi Code, how's your Saturday?

It’s ok been a busy morning

 

[HarryHill]

Tag!

 

[Codeman93]

Hi Code, how's your Saturday?

How’s yours

 

[Paul_Chance]

LOL - yeah, that got a little deep into the politics and details of farming. I was kind of wracking my brain thinkings - hmmm, what can we say to make wheat sexy!

 

[hotoldrguy]

LOL - yeah, that got a little deep into the politics and details of farming. I was kind of wracking my brain thinkings - hmmm, what can we say to make wheat sexy!

you could talk about spreading your seed.

 

[Codeman93]

How is everyone

 

[Mrtenant]

How is everyone

Amazing

 

[Paul_Chance]

My days good - heavy rain right now, which is making for a snug afternoon in and providing a chance to explore the corners of the internet.

 

[Ingenue844]

I grew up on a ranch - still have family ranching/farming in South Dakota and Nebraska. Seen winter wheat kick ass (from a profit standpoint), and I've seen it go "oh crap, well, that didn't work". I think the organics are risky for winter wheat (nice profits if they come in), but the GMO's are better able to deal with the vicissitudes of weather. Ranchimg/farmer is a great game of science and luck.

Husbands family homesteaded in eastern Montana since the early 1900s (not quite 1883). His brother and nephew still run the family farm.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Husbands family homesteaded in eastern Montana since the early 1900s (not quite 1883). His brother and nephew still run the family farm.

That's cool - I am always fascinated by the journey's people take through life - how they ultimately ended up where they are in the moments I am getting to know them. Some people (either as individuals or as families, have taken some pretty amazing journeys).

 

[Codeman93]

Amazing

That’s good