Honey, They Blew Up The Pipeline!!

[Chobham]

Eco terrorism is not unheard of, things like spiking trees to hurt loggers...

Pretty much the point. It wouldn't take an obscene amount of money to pull it off, just that the cheaper the investment the larger the fingerprint. Like I said before, the Baltic is carpeted with acoustic sensor's.

 

[JohnEBbad]

George Soros would happily finance it and then make the monetary moves to further enrich himself.

I think we're getting closer to the candlestick...

 

[Chobham]

He does delight in screwing over currencies.

 

[JohnEBbad]

Look at his funding efforts in the US, for example, funding woke DA candidates and we've seen the results of that in things like no-bail; he really wants to destabilize the United States and we just need to get to the bottom of how he intends to benefit to understand his efforts and motives.

 

[Wrong Element]

The US blew up the pipeline so that Germany would not have the temptation to break the sanctions and return to Russian gas when winter comes. Now, even if the Germans decide that they would rather have the gas than keep snubbing Russia, they have no way of getting it.

Cortez and Caesar burnt their ships to get total commitment from their troops. Biden bombed two natural gas pipelines to achieve the same thing.

This is the Russian puppet media/Tucker Carlson (excuse the redundancy) theory, in case anyone was wondering about the quantities of shit being shoveled in this post.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

AJ and Fishmeal, the twin brothers of darkness, should take their comedy routine on tour.

 

[butters]

I agree.

This one has me puzzled. There are just so many potential "reasons" for someone to blow up this pipeline, and so many reasons not to.

Realistically the nations that have the capacity to pull it off though are not that many. My gut says this will get pointed back to Russia, but Russian logic as to why they would escapes me. That same thought also applies to why would the USA? France as is pointed out, well that one hits the same "weird" logic as the first to I mentioned.

Right now I am just waiting on more information to show up, as you said, there are going to be "fingerprints".

it's already hurting the european economies as the price of their gas rises with each attack. putin throwing a hissy fit? most likely, when the europeans are hurting as winter's in the offing, he'll see that as giving him more leverage in the Ukraine situation; he'll not be above wanting to 'punish' countries that took sides against him.

AJ and Fishmeal, the twin brothers of darkness, should take their comedy routine on tour.

it'd bomb. they're about as funny as pond scum

 

[butters]

something's tickling my brain about a big russian submarine suddenly departing its position in the Black Sea(?) a week or so back, with no-one being quite sure where it'd disappeared to but the speculations were that it was moved to prevent damage from any shelling. now i'm not saying this sabotage is the work of that submarine--no idea if it's even equipped for that sort of thing, but it's just tickling my brain. I cannot be bothered to go look it all up right now; perhaps someone here knows already?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

it's already hurting the european economies as the price of their gas rises with each attack. putin throwing a hissy fit? most likely, when the europeans are hurting as winter's in the offing, he'll see that as giving him more leverage in the Ukraine situation; he'll not be above wanting to 'punish' countries that took sides against him.

AS I said earlier, Russia may have done it. A couple reason spring to mind quickly, first, Germany has not "certified Nord Stream2 for operation. That pipe line is not leaking, nor damaged as far as I know. By taking NS 1 out of service, it forces Germany to certify #2, if they start purchasing gas from Russia again in the future.

The second could be economic. Any disruption, even if it is in a line not in service, does spook futures markets. Which makes the price of the commodity rise. Still neither offer Putin any near term gain. The NG market for Russia in Europe is pretty much closed off due to sanctions. Sure he has other markets, but no pipelines running to them.

I don't buy the "punishment side", otherwise he would have taken out both lines. A warning perhaps? That could be....

This type of situation has me glad I am not involved in any type of international government security work. This just makes my head spin trying to figure out all the possibilities.....

 

[ffish1]

No gas was being pumped due to sanctions so the impact on europe is minimal in terms of gas supply. It is only an attempt to shock markets and raise gas prices, and get europe to switch from russian gas to jew gas. This needs fear of unreliable russian gas and a price hike.
On the other hand the pipeline through ukraine is still there and becomes more important. So this forces russia to pay ukraine for gas transit. The jew comedian gets a laugh.
Israel was sitting on this massive gas reserve but no market for it except Egypt. Now the vampires see the opportunity to gas Europe. They would love Russia out of the way so they could have a free hand with their shenanigans in Syria and Iran. Ever since the oven dodgers grabbed that land in 1948 there has been nothing but war and turmoil which those vampires drag the world into.

wow, thanks. Yours and chobham's posts always instruct & stimulate us to think.
I don't necessarily subscribe to the Israel theory,
but there's some sophisticated geo-/money-making motive that we're all missing,
because we're so caught up in the John Wayne good war fighters versus bad war villains dichotomy.

Regardless of who blew up the pipeline, it's just ludicrous.
We the unwashed are being fed low IQ Russian or American war propaganda
are lectured by Ursula and Gretas that we fart too much and we should take showers in pairs,
yet Elites chuck around or blow up billions in doesn't matter whose infrastructure!!! just like that.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ U'ra Turd.

 

[ffish1]

Kradder

LOVE &grateful for your sharing your wisdom&intelligence
but please make it more clear that you're ONLY attacking Jewish/Black rich croney speculators
as opposed to laypeople

Not just my cringe re racism
but you're also playing into the arms of TheDumbRacistWoke

 

[JohnEBbad]

Oh fuck. He's just a garden-variety anti-Semite.

Probably has a blacklight Goebbels poster in his bedroom...

 

[Chobham]

Some NATO members seem determined to escalate this into something bigger.

 

[JohnEBbad]

NATO is not much more than a collection of old axes to grind...

 

[JohnnySavage]

George Soros would happily finance it and then make the monetary moves to further enrich himself.

I think we're getting closer to the candlestick...

Col. Mustard was in charge of the op?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Both pipelines were ruptured so it cannot be an attempt to certify nord 2.

As I said,I only was aware of damage to one line .If both were damaged, then obviously my hypothetical reason on certification was wrong.

 

[JohnEBbad]

Col. Klink...

 

[ll74]

Kradder

LOVE &grateful for your sharing your wisdom&intelligence

"The Jews did it because they always do it" is an interesting take on "wisdom and intelligence"

 

[ll74]

Is Little Dixie secretly Charlie Kirk?

Maybe

https://twitter.com/x/status/1575200242688876544

I'm not saying she is...again..pure speculation....I know media matters will have a hay day on this....

 

[butters]

so russian support ships were seen in the area near the leaks butt that's not unusual since they are there frequently, according to a Danish official; russian subs were also noted to have been close to the pipelines just last week, a European intelligence fstated.

Russia has requested a UN Security Council meeting on the damaged pipeline this week – something the senior US official said is also suspicious. Typically, the official said, Russia isn’t organized enough to move so quickly, suggesting that the maneuver was pre-planned.

If Russia did deliberately cause the explosions, it would be effectively sabotaging its own pipelines: Russian state company Gazprom is the majority shareholder in Nord Stream 1 and the sole owner of Nord Stream 2.

But officials familiar with the latest intelligence say that Moscow would likely view such a step as worth the price if it helped raise the costs of supporting Ukraine for Europe. US and western intelligence officials believe Russian President Vladimir Putin is gambling that as electricity costs rise and winter approaches, European publics could turn against the Western strategy of isolating Russia economically. Sabotaging the pipelines could “show what Russia is capable of,” one US official said.

Russia has already taken steps to manipulate energy flows in ways that caused itself economic pain, but also hurt Europe. Russia slashed gas supplies to Europe via Nord Stream 1 before suspending flows altogether in August, blaming Western sanctions for causing technical difficulties. European politicians say that was a pretext to stop supplying gas.

“They’ve already shown they’re perfectly happy to do that,” one of the sources said. “They weight their economic pain against Europe’s.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/28/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-leak-russian-navy-ships/index.html

 

[LupusDei]

My gut says this will get pointed back to Russia, but Russian logic as to why they would escapes me.

It's really easy. This way they don't have to pay penalties for contracts they have no intention to fulfill.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It's really easy. This way they don't have to pay penalties for contracts they have no intention to fulfill.

Interesting,that is the first probability I have heard that makes any kind of sense.

 

[Chobham]

It's really easy. This way they don't have to pay penalties for contracts they have no intention to fulfill.

True enough but the problem is that ALL of the potential actors in this play have motives. My problem with this is the way the various actors are responding. This has the potential to escalate out of control just as the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand did.

Another thing that bothers me is that what with all of this finger pointing I'm seeing no public discussion on executing the obvious..................shut the damn thing down. Install valves at the undamaged source side. Not a trivial undertaking but it's not deep water and can be achieved relatively quickly. There will be plenty of time to get back to finger pointing.

 

[ffish1]

It's really easy. This way they don't have to pay penalties for contracts they have no intention to fulfill.

I have to agree with Fuzzynuts.

It's the first "it was the Russians" theory that makes sense.
But still... wouldn't they lose billions of dollars in damaged infrastructure? How much would it cost them to fix it?